[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[Majiball]

So you want the man who said he would come here and then went back on his word? What makes you think he's changed his mind?

He didn't want to come here when Jack was around and you honestly think he'd come here when in premiership terms we're skint. No chance.

Sam's doing fine we're picking up points and we have our fate in our own hands, what more could we have asked for?

[Amo]

Not to mention we'd have to pay the Mexican FA compensation for his services, on top of all the compo we gave Ince and his cronies.

[Eddie]

It makes me laugh - we get labelled because of our manager - who apparently plays long ball football.

Did nobody else see Torres 1st goal for Liverpool and the 4th by Dosser? Why did they not get called for the same tactics?

The big teams play long raking balls each week but dont get picked on - screw the media!

Everyone plays long balls, particularly in some games, but most teams don't play them as much as we do at the moment. Plan A for us is lump it forward, Plan B for us is lump it forward, Plan C...

The way we are set up right now leaves the players with no other options.

[LeChuck]

Eddie - that's complete rubbish. The kind of goals we've been scoring recently don't support that theory at all.

If anything, the way Sam's been able to change games at half time (and against Fulham) suggests he's got a pretty good plan B if things aren't going the way he wants.

[imy9]

Commodore:

Gone further with Bolton.. well yes as I said he was on the verge of a champions league place, how does this continual improvement year on year show that he was ripping apart "Bolton's player development", could the same be levelled at Hughes as what are we left with after the first 11 players?

Ivan Campo played for who exactly, yes Real Madrid who he won the champions league with in 2000, world star? Yes he was. Diouff is African footballer of the year- TWICE, that makes him a world star, that and the fact that he starred in a world cup, and joined Liverpool for £11 million- a big club, yes.

Okocha was purchased by who? Big Sam, so whether he left him in the reserves or not is beside the point, he signed him and he was a huge success, stop trying to revise history.

By the way at Newcastle he also signed Beye who has been a top class player for them, the point being made was that he drags a club down over time, 10 months he did no such thing, they made their best start in 10 years and were easily in 11th place and he has a better record than Keegan and Kinnear!

Ask the likes of Gary Speed how scientific Sam is, he has said he would not have played til 40 if it was not for Big Sam.

I am not a big fan of Sam but have been impressed with what he has achieved so far and his record stands up to scrutiny at the HIGHEST level, to defame his record is ridiculous as it is better than Hughes having played pretty much the same style of football.

[rover6]

SVEN for 1

Waggy, you were my barmy but amusing inspiration for my anti-Allardyce murmerings.

However, I now disown you completely.

Allardyce may be a long ball advocate but at least he has some backbone to make decisions and upset players.

Sven is the world's most expensive whimpering, sycophantic, superficial football manager - well, as far as I know. If you denied him an assistant, I suspect he'd be helpless.

[Tris]

If anything, the way Sam's been able to change games at half time (and against Fulham) suggests he's got a pretty good plan B if things aren't going the way he wants.

Lump it forward to more potential recipients is plan B from what I've seen ...

[Paul Mellelieu]

He Rover6, just had a chuckle at your bigotry tag. I think you misunderstand: it's football rivalry.

[tony gale's mic]

Sven is a better manager than Sam overall, anyone who disagrees simply needs to look at the man's achievements over his whole career.

But given the situation we were in, Sam was the only man for the job given his experience in similar situations. Anyone else and we could have ran a big risk of them finding it hard to adapt to the constraints at Ewood.

[greco]

Sven is a better manager than Sam overall, anyone who disagrees simply needs to look at the man's achievements over his whole career.

But given the situation we were in, Sam was the only man for the job given his experience in similar situations. Anyone else and we could have ran a big risk of them finding it hard to adapt to the constraints at Ewood.

should we compare their achievements, clearly it favours erikson. But right now, im of the opinion, that sam is much better equipped, when in comes to modern day football.

[Paul Mellelieu]

There wasn't a queue of top managers knocking on John Williams' door in the summer was there? Without a hefty transfer fund we will struggle to get the kind of 'name' manger some people think we should be attracting. We were desperate, so was Sam. There you go.

[Eddie]

There were quite a few experienced and talented managers interested in the job.

[imy9]

There were quite a few experienced and talented managers interested in the job.

But no one on the list who I think could have made a difference to Rovers on the budget being offered.

Big Sam should have been the manager in the summer and is the right choice now. I just hope when RSC goes, Sam is given the time and budget to develop a decent group of players and get rid of the dead wood.

[Paul Mellelieu]

There were quite a few experienced and talented managers interested in the job.

Who? And how interested?

[Eddie]

I'm not exactly in the know, but my two favourite candidates were Laudrup and ten Cate. Both have shown themselves to be capable coaches and have also operated on a fairly strict budget at times. Seems as if they would have taken the job, but who knows how it would have turned out.

[Paul Mellelieu]

I'm not exactly in the know, but my two favourite candidates were Laudrup and ten Cate. Both have shown themselves to be capable coaches and have also operated on a fairly strict budget at times. Seems as if they would have taken the job, but who knows how it would have turned out.

This from wiki regarding Laudrup,"He almost got the job at Panathinaikos, but according to Danish media he wanted an option to allow him to leave, if he got an offer from a Spanish club." Who's to think that he didn't want a similar arrangement with us. Ten Cate was an attractive proposition, but maybe he did one when we told him he had ten pence to bring in players.

[Amo]

*shrug* If Laudrup was earmarked by another club, it would have shown what a good job he was doing. No manager is exactly guaranteed to stay at Ewood when a bigger club comes calling *cough*Souey, Hughes*cough*.

[Eddie]

Maybe that's true for both of them, although Panathinaikos are a rather different proposition to a premiership job and the information coming from them was very unreliable anyway. Also, seeing as we favoured rolling contracts with Hughes, the option to leave isn't really all that different. With ten Cate, he may have been scared off, but that seems unlikely.

Williams made a mess of things in the summer between offering the job to Shearer and then giving it to Ince, so it's impossible to know what a sensible approach would have resulted in.

[Amo]

The danger signs were there when JW was sniffing around Shearer.

Only would've worked if Alan Hansen was his no.2.

[Mozzer]

i just cant believe some people are even having a go at sam allardyce

ok his football isnt brilliant but to be honest-its not about the football-its about results..we have lost 3 games under allardyce-all too top 5 teams-we actually look like a team now-other then the shambles under ince..

the football was hardly flowing under mark hughes and under paul ince the less said the better..

if only sam allardyce was with us at the start of the season-we wouldnt of been in this mess..we actually look capable of keeping a clean sheet these days-infact we actually look like a team..

[thenodrog]

Lump it forward to more potential recipients is plan B from what I've seen ...

Tris your slip is showing for the second time in two days. Whats up do you have a girly gumboots hormonal and personal dislike for the fella too? I have to say that taking into account 1. that the fools in charge at the time sold our Number 1 playmaker without adequate replacement and that 2. Bert's absence is being felt, that I have as yet noticed NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever in the variation employed in our build up play to that of this time last year.

In all honesty and with hand on heart can you say that you have?

btw anybody can join in at this point!

[thenodrog]

Sven is a better manager than Sam overall, anyone who disagrees simply needs to look at the man's achievements over his whole career.

But given the situation we were in, Sam was the only man for the job given his experience in similar situations. Anyone else and we could have ran a big risk of them finding it hard to adapt to the constraints at Ewood.

I guess we'll never know how SGE could have performed with little or no funding available.... I suspect not very well! What I personally do believe that as with Souness and Hughes that Sam Allardyce seems to actually perform better without money to spend!

Look too at Harford, Hodgson and Kidd and it's weird to think how having money behind them did very little to help them at all. In fact odd that it sounds but in hindsight (and apart from the KMD situation when all other clubs were poor relations) money seems counter productive to our managers. Work that one out!

[sam_rovers]

Allardyce is a fantastic manager.. his record speaks for itself. He has already improved our squad in the January transfer window with no funds available to him, what more can you ask of him?

We are once again a competitive team, when Ince was in charge our defense resembled swiss cheese, we tackle hard and show a little bit of passion while playing, just look at Roberts reaction after scoring the eventual winner at Fulham.

I wasn't for the appointment of Allarydce last summer but looking back I was horrendously wrong.. Allardyce is superb and I think if we had him from the beginning of the season and given him the same funds that ince had and blew on Grella and what not, we'd be up there challenging for a top 6 place like we have done in previous years.

[thenodrog]

Allardyce is a fantastic manager.. his record speaks for itself. He has already improved our squad in the January transfer window with no funds available to him, what more can you ask of him?

We are once again a competitive team, when Ince was in charge our defense resembled swiss cheese, we tackle hard and show a little bit of passion while playing, just look at Roberts reaction after scoring the eventual winner at Fulham.

I wasn't for the appointment of Allarydce last summer but looking back I was horrendously wrong.. Allardyce is superb and I think if we had him from the beginning of the season and given him the same funds that ince had and blew on Grella and what not, we'd be up there challenging for a top 6 place like we have done in previous years.

A lot of people are saying this now sam_rover. Please could you tell me what influenced you to be dead set against Allardyce at that time? imo his management experience suited our club to a tee. Any slight reluctance that I had was that we might have attracted somebody a little more 'exciting'.

[Amo]

*raises hand*

I think after Hughes had laid the foundations to build on, I expected the board to appoint someone exotic who would raise the status of the club.