[Archived] Sam Allardyce

[RevidgeBlue]

Que? - he scores goals - that's his job

Sorry but I don't like that - if a player does what he is then where's the problem.

Roberts is a destructor but doesn't score many goals - so where's the difference?

Santa is a goalscorer but doesn't play many games now.

Robinson is a keeper but doesn't come to collect many crosses.

Sorry crap answer and more to it than just that.

Still worries me that he is relying on stats and prozone instead of what is happening in regards to the stats in the actual game.

If he's a winning man - why 7 defenders against Arsenal? (don't give me that was all available as it wasn't)

Only relaying what Sam said Capt. I didn't agree with 100% of what he said either but he obviously has very clear beliefs on what you can and can't do given the resources at your disposal, and he puts his viewpoint across brilliantly.

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating at the end of the season won't it. If he keeps us up then no-one can legitimately criticise him given the position we were in when he took over. If we go down all the hoof ball and long throws from MGP will seem rather pointless.

[LeChuck]

Que? - he scores goals - that's his job

Sorry but I don't like that - if a player does what he is then where's the problem.

Capello said some very similar things when comparing Crouch to Heskey this week, something about Crouch being more of a goal threat but not pressing the ball to help defensively.

Re: the Arsenal game. We didn't play that way against Man Utd which suggests he was forced into the Arsenal selection. There was no point risking half fit midfielders in a game we probably would have lost regardless of the team we put out.

[92er]

Sam was quite clear that in his view neither Carlos nor Vogel were up to the physical demands of the Premiership and inferred Vogel's legs had gone. (as had Tugay's). I can't see any reason not to take that at face value.

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He was also amazingly candid I thought, effectively writing off Gallagher (didn't know anything much about him) Derbyshire - can't afford to carry a player who scores and does little else these days - (wonder where that leaves Benni?) Tugay and Vogel (legs have gone) and Carlos (not up to the physical demands of the Premiership either)

It sounds remarkable that according to Allardyce Vogel's legs have gone, and yet he doesn't seem to think there are or at least does not articulate, problems regarding Grella who is remarkably slow and misses match after match. And Allardyce has seen Vogel play fewer Premier League games that we have.

[Amo]

Careful now, the mere mention of the 'V' word causes sarcastic remarks about the next Messiah.

I still think it's pretty fishy that the guy doesn't get a look in; I simply don't believe the guy is past his sell-by date. And since Ince wasn't forthcoming in playing him either, I figure it has to be an attitude problem.

[RevidgeBlue]

It sounds remarkable that according to Allardyce Vogel's legs have gone, and yet he doesn't seem to think there are or at least does not articulate, problems regarding Grella who is remarkably slow and misses match after match. And Allardyce has seen Vogel play fewer Premier League games that we have.

Grella was never mentioned. Sam was asked questions directly relating to the other players.

Thinking about it, it's a pity Sam wasn't asked about Grella because he certainly didn't pull any punches about the others. You'd imagine most managers would have stonewalled the questions and been a lot more diplomatic at an event like last night's. And it would have been all the poorer for it.

[DE.]

The only question I have about Vogel is why is he still on the payroll? And if the answer is due to the fact he was given a contract which would cost more to terminate than if we let it run out, why was that contract ever signed in the first place? He's never been a serious part of our plans and we seem more likely to put out half-fit players than try Vogel.

[Eddie]

If we wanted to terminate his contract we'd just pay him off, so it wouldn't be more expensive, but if you're going to be paying the guy anyway you may as well have him around.

[Hughesy]

Vogel is obviously happy to just sit on his pay check - Hughes is to blame for him. He was very slow when he played under Hughes too (Yes he didnt do a bad job) so you cant really fault Sam for noticing that.

Going of the remarks it looks like the following could all leave this summer: Vogel, Tugay, Gallagher, Villanueva, Santa Cruz, Derbyshire - add to them Brown, Ooijer & Mokoena all out of contract soon and also Simpson. Thats 10 players gone - How many of them, realistically will we miss?

[92er]

Vogel is obviously happy to just sit on his pay check - Hughes is to blame for him. He was very slow when he played under Hughes too (Yes he didnt do a bad job) so you cant really fault Sam for noticing that.

If Vogel were slow last season, it wasn't noticeable in the way it is with Grella.

Can't see how it is MH's fault.

[T4E]

If Vogel were slow last season, it wasn't noticeable in the way it is with Grella.

Can't see how it is MH's fault.

More to the point, if Hughes was given the money to sign a CM last January he wouldnt have been forced to pull Vogel out of the bargain bin.

[rover6]

If Villaneuva is too slow - why is Allardyce fielding Tugay?

Derbyshire only scores goals - how about trying to develop his game to add to his useful abilities?

Allardyce should just admit that a small forward does not fit into his direct "winning football" tactics.

[den]

No need to get worked up about Derbyshire because Allardyce has obviously recognised early, that he wasn't good enough for this league - which he isn't.

Same goes for Vogel. Why is everyone getting frustrated that he isn't playing - he isn't good enough either. Some people say he did well in some games last season, but I didn't see it.

[DE.]

The frustration for me, as far as Vogel goes, is that he's leeching money from the club for doing nothing... or that's how it seems, anyway.

[thenodrog]

I was definitely one who didnt want Big Sam, but after listening to the guy last night I've every confidence in the man, just hope the club dont pee him off with financial restrictions on certain players he wants to bring in the future.

I would imagine that's a nailed on certainty. I've a feeling that if we stay up SA will do an excellent job for us before he clears off to a bigger club. It's crap of course but BRFc supporters are used to such. Far more preferable than the alternative..... remind me just how many clubs at ANY level have been chasing Paul Ince?

[Amo]

Allardyce should just admit that a small forward does not fit into his direct "winning football" tactics.

But he's taller than Kevin Davies.

[thenodrog]

When asked if he would still be here after the summer if we went down he just said emphatically "yes".

Indeed. In fact it was a very emphatic YES delivered without a seconds pause. Strangely a point not really reported or discussed on here today.

[thenodrog]

Careful now, the mere mention of the 'V' word causes sarcastic remarks about the next Messiah.

I still think it's pretty fishy that the guy doesn't get a look in; I simply don't believe the guy is past his sell-by date. And since Ince wasn't forthcoming in playing him either, I figure it has to be an attitude problem.

Just like a similar mention of the 'Amo' word brought little comment from Mark Hughes. These dud players signed on long contracts by previous managers stick like the proverbial to a blanket.

[JAL]

One key point missed was, the mention of an injury prevention policy at the club.

Sam didnt go into detail at any length but he said, it would cetainly come into play with a smaller squad next season. Pretty modern day management talk would love to know how its implemented to see if there is any learning to be done so that it could be incorporated into normal manufacturing work.

[Tris]

But he's taller than Kevin Davies.

A player like Derbyshire is no use to our current manager ...

Bulldozers and basketball players is what's needed here, and Matt Derbyshire isn't either.

Davies is in the bulldozer category

[roversmum]

Would eventually aim to have a quality squad of say 18, they are looking into ways of limiting injuries to enable this.

Ahem

One key point missed was, the mention of an injury prevention policy at the club.

Sam didnt go into detail at any length but he said, it would cetainly come into play with a smaller squad next season. Pretty modern day management talk would love to know how its implemented to see if there is any learning to be done so that it could be incorporated into normal manufacturing work.

[JAL]

Ahem

Apologies if you've already mentioned it rovermum.

[roversmum]

I'll give myself a slap on the wrist for being pedantic, Jal. It's not easy to keep up with posts sometimes. I'm just a bit grumpy at the moment! Cheers anyway, you're a gent!

[JAL]

I'll give myself a slap on the wrist for being pedantic, Jal. It's not easy to keep up with posts sometimes. I'm just a bit grumpy at the moment! Cheers anyway, you're a gent!

Theres me thinking i'd read and understood every post, my fault. It was a great evening echoed by revidge blues comments hope a decent amount of money was generated for the cause. All the best JAL.

[RevidgeBlue]

My over-riding impression of Sam from last night was that he is a very clever man who will analyse the smallest detail to try and gain any sort of competitive advantage over his rivals.

For example he stated that one third of goals in the Prem come from free kicks or corners. In his view this therefore meant (presumably as a result of much research) that if you could become the most dangerous team in the League from set pieces AND be the most effective at keeping them out, that would automatically put you eleventh or twelth in the League straight off without doing anything else!

Again I don't think a strategy like that would be too pretty to watch but if it could be successfully implemented and it worked you could only really applaud such original thinking.

[Tris]

My over-riding impression of Sam from last night was that he is a very clever man who will analyse the smallest detail to try and gain any sort of competitive advantage over his rivals.

For example he stated that one third of goals in the Prem come from free kicks or corners. In his view this therefore meant (presumably as a result of much research) that if you could become the most dangerous team in the League from set pieces AND be the most effective at keeping them out, that would automatically put you eleventh or twelth in the League straight off without doing anything else!

He's had 4 months to see (and improve) Rovers corner takers. It's not getting any better - if anything Diouf is catching Pedersen's disease of nearly always failing to clear the near post defender.

Our best taker of free kicks is Carlos Villanueva who apparently isn't good enough for the league we play in. How the hell are we going to get close to the stat of 1/3 goals coming from attacking set pieces if the people we are putting on the pitch can't execute them?!

Or was your entire post tongue in cheek? I hope so. If he thinks we can "out-set-piece" the top 4 but not out pass them therefore have to play hump ball, we're done for.