[Archived] Relegation Fear

[mattyboy6000]

. Relegation turns us into PNE.

nearly wrote this myself.

[thenodrog]

We wouldn't even pull big enough crowds in the Championship to be as "big" as Southampton or Coventry. Relegation turns us into PNE.

Is that your version of Lancashier Unidet?

[daveoftherovers]

Can't believe we are discussing this on the 7th December FFS, ANOTHER pointless post!!!!

Look, we are in a dogfight, so get behind the boys and get on with it, it's life in a blue & white boob tube, save this type of thread until March.

Personally, I think we'll get out of this.

[bob fleming]

With 5 straight defeats, we're 19th in the premiership..............

If wba and spuds win tomorrow, we will be 5 points adrift from safety which might as well be 6 with our inferior goal difference.

..............It's do or die, keep the faith.

Presty, Presty, Presty. Calm down fella! You almost make it sound like the situation is serious! Listen all the pundits and ex-players, people like McAteer and Shearer, are saying that there's nothing to worry about, that it would be ludicrous to even think about replacing a young English manager whose team hasn't won a league match since September 27th. No, just because we're bottom of the league doesn't mean a thing. Clearly we just need some more time.

So there are 22 games left, we only need to win 9 of those to get to 40 points which is normally safety. Fortunately we have to visit Old Trafford, Anfield, Stamford Bridge and The Emirates so there's four wins. Once we've got to 40 points we can then kick on for the European places. The fact that at this rate we won't get to forty points until July* is no cause for alarm.

So don't worry about relegation Presty, all the experts are saying we just need to stick with Ince, that's why they're all experts rather than football managers.

(*July 2013)

[American]

I didn't know all the moaners who are so-called experts on this board are football managers.

[1864roverite]

I didn't know all the moaners who are so-called experts on this board are football managers.

I think the word that you may be looking for instead of manager american is REALISTS.

Rovers are in REAL danger of going down.

INCE is REALLY naffing the support off with his inept displays.

The team are REALLY playing incredibly poor.

Results are REALLY bloody awful.

get the picture mate

[mattyboy6000]

Can't believe we are discussing this on the 7th December FFS, ANOTHER pointless post!!!!

how ironic

I didn't know all the moaners who are so-called experts on this board are football managers.

I didn't know Americans knew anything about football with spherical balls

[philipl]

I've said it before, I wouldn't be surprised if the trustees view us in the Championship as self-sufficient, so don't mind us going down while they get the balance sheet back to even by selling off our best players and not replacing them.

The fact you are repeating yourself doesn't make it any more accurate.

Care to put some numbers up to prove your hypothesis?

Or just accept that this is by some distance the most ridiculous post on this MB?

[American]

The fact you are repeating yourself doesn't make it any more accurate.

Care to put some numbers up to prove your hypothesis?

Or just accept that this is by some distance the most ridiculous post on this MB?

Got a long distance to go until I meet some of the ridiculousness of your posts. When are we signing Alonso, by the way? No one else has made a bid.

Can you give me another reason why the board is sitting by and not financially supporting any of our managers? Why we have recouped more money in transfer fees over the past several seasons than we have spent? Why they took the cheaper alternative when hiring a manager?

Can't think of a good reason, so I figured I'd pull a page from your book and wildly speculate. Interesting how when you do it, it is supposedly accurate.

[philipl]

Thanks for the laugh American.

[BRFC4EVA]

What will happen?

We'll find ourselves back in a division where real football exists. Real supporters, not the plastic rubbish you have to put up with in the prem like at Opera house which is the Emirates. More 3pm kick offs on sat, less games on sky, cheaper tickets, a far more interesting and competitive division, much more local and young players playing in the team as we rebuild, less overpaid hangers on, the chance to go some new grounds again.

To be honest, its not all that bad imo

[patrickvalery]

What will happen?

We'll find ourselves back in a division where real football exists. Real supporters, not the plastic rubbish you have to put up with in the prem like at Opera house which is the Emirates. More 3pm kick offs on sat, less games on sky, cheaper tickets, a far more interesting and competitive division, much more local and young players playing in the team as we rebuild, less overpaid hangers on, the chance to go some new grounds again.

To be honest, its not all that bad imo

I know i run the risk of incurring the wrath of many on here, but, to a large extent i agree with this.

I know the Championship (or God forbid any lower) doen't have the same glamour factor as the Premier League. But so what! If i am completely honest, the season i enjoyed most as a Rovers fan was the Souness promotion year. The expectation going into every game was immense. I loved the feeling that we could wallop whoever we were playing. And we played some truly outstanding football that season. We had players at the club who wanted to wear the shirt. No bloody McCarthy's throwing tantrums and putting in 80% performances at best. We had a young side who were a joy to watch every week.

I know this is short sighted. I know the cold reality is we would stand a very good chance of dropping further and financial ruin. But just maybe we might not. Maybe we might become a more attractive proposition to inverstors. A Premier League side in every respect (infrastructure, training ground set up, stadium, scouting network etc...) except not in the Premier League. Our value would plumit and perhaps, at a cheaper price, we might get new money coming into the club.

I know its pure speculation either way. Given the choice i'd obviously rather stay up and face the best sides in the country. But lets not forget the great times we had on our way back up last time. Either way i think the next 5/6 games will shape the outcome of our season. I was interested to hear Winterburn saying how Ince should be given 2/3 YEARS to settle into the job. Not sure many would agree with you there nige.

[SamDingle]

Obviously your current woes are an amusing sideshow to the Clarets march to the Premier League.

One thing it does make you realise, alongside Charlton Athletic's dizzying plunge into oblivion, is that the whole image of being a 'well run club', or being 'established' and 'consolidated' in the Premier League is a load of crap.

You can enjoy this fantasy when things are going well on the pitch and the PR and marketing guys will still churn it out. But everything comes down to having a manager who knows what he's doing and 3 or 4 players who can shine at whatever level you're at. Lose those, and being an established well run club counts for s**t come kick-off time.

Clearly we're all too aware of this down t'road and await the January sales with trepidation.

[mattyboy6000]

But everything comes down to having a manager who knows what he's doing and 3 or 4 players who can shine at whatever level you're at.

quoted for truth. and not done lightly

[Majiball]

No, just because we're bottom of the league doesn't mean a thing. Clearly we just need some more time.

So there are 22 games left, we only need to win 9 of those to get to 40 points which is normally safety. Fortunately we have to visit Old Trafford, Anfield, Stamford Bridge and The Emirates so there's four wins. Once we've got to 40 points we can then kick on for the European places. The fact that at this rate we won't get to forty points until July* is no cause for alarm.

God Damm man trying to give me a heart attack? I had to check the table you made me think WBA won. Tonights game surely will be a factor, Spurs win and we have a gap. West ham are almost as bad as us at present form wise so I think its spurs game.

Your right with the games though, we have a good run of fixtures coming up and we must take advantage of them two or three defeats in those and I fear the game is up.

[gillibrand]

Obviously your current woes are an amusing sideshow to the Clarets march to the Premier League.

One thing it does make you realise, alongside Charlton Athletic's dizzying plunge into oblivion, is that the whole image of being a 'well run club', or being 'established' and 'consolidated' in the Premier League is a load of crap.

You can enjoy this fantasy when things are going well on the pitch and the PR and marketing guys will still churn it out. But everything comes down to having a manager who knows what he's doing and 3 or 4 players who can shine at whatever level you're at. Lose those, and being an established well run club counts for s**t come kick-off time.

Clearly we're all too aware of this down t'road and await the January sales with trepidation.

I bet you are having a great time reading some of the daft posters on this board, and praying we keep giveing Ince another six games and then another and another, then before you know it we will have changed places with you lot!

[FourLaneBlue]

Obviously your current woes are an amusing sideshow to the Clarets march to the Premier League.

One thing it does make you realise, alongside Charlton Athletic's dizzying plunge into oblivion, is that the whole image of being a 'well run club', or being 'established' and 'consolidated' in the Premier League is a load of crap.

You can enjoy this fantasy when things are going well on the pitch and the PR and marketing guys will still churn it out. But everything comes down to having a manager who knows what he's doing and 3 or 4 players who can shine at whatever level you're at. Lose those, and being an established well run club counts for s**t come kick-off time.

Clearly we're all too aware of this down t'road and await the January sales with trepidation.

All true. One bad season will bring down the last 8 seasons we have worked towards getting promoted and establishing ourselves as a Premiership club.

Look at Coventry and Southampton. How long were they in the top flight for? Decades. Yet they both went down and have not been close to getting back up since.

[OscarRaven]

Inspired by Vintageadidas post in Paul Ince Thread

Where will the 9 wins come from? How Many Points can we get and from where?

1. Wigan v Rovers - WIN 3

2. Rovers v Stoke - WIN 6

3. Sunderland v Rovers - WIN, were on a roll now 9

4. Rovers v Man City - Loss

5. Fulham v Rovers - Draw 10

6. Rovers v Newcastle - Draw 11

7. Rovers v Bolton - WIN 14

8. Middlesbrough v Rovers - Loss

9. Rovers v Aston Villa - Loss

10. Man Utd v Rovers - Loss

11. Hull v Rovers - WIN 17

12. Rovers v Everton - Draw 18

13. Arsenal v Rovers - Loss

14. Rovers v West Ham - Loss

15. Rovers v Tottenham - Loss

16. Liverpool v Rovers - Loss

17. Stoke v Rovers - Draw 19

18. Rovers v Wigan - WIN 22

19. Man City v Rovers - Loss

20. Rovers v Portsmouth - Draw 23

21. Chelsea v Rovers - Loss

22. Rovers v West Brom - WIN 26

26 + 13 = 39 (Is it Enough!)

Can anyone else see where the points will come from to stay up?

[tonygreenbank]

Oscar, a pretty pointless exercise! This isnt Football manager. Football games are not won and lost on a computer. Have you tried the new football pools prediction site which offers £20,000 if you can predict all 10 games per week. I have been doing it

religiously all season and got nowhere! The only certainty is that football matches are so uncertain to predict. The league position is so fluid and can change dramatically each week.

[The Prof.]

You could be missing a point here.

Championship = a chance to quickly trim wages

(where are we in the wages league these days - apparently quite high) and restructure the wage bill.

Parachute payments will cover this and we could see a little money go a long way.

Maybe they are hoping to bounce back with a meaner leaner structure and more funds for transfers in a wage limited league.

Doubt they have thought further than the best way to avoid another press release this week though.

[Presty On Tour]

We've got 22 games left, 4 are away from home against the big 4!

Every point is vital, apparently 9 wins is what is required or 7 wins and 6 draws which sounds tougher.

The games over the xmas period are so crucial as we are playing winnable matches against teams with relegation fears but on the other hand if these teams are fighting for their lives like ourselves, they are just as hard as the top 4.

We need victories, nothing else will do and it's time for everyone to stand up and be counted.

[The Prof.]

We've got 22 games left, 4 are away from home against the big 4!

Every point is vital, apparently 9 wins is what is required or 7 wins and 6 draws which sounds tougher.

The games over the xmas period are so crucial as we are playing winnable matches against teams with relegation fears but on the other hand if these teams are fighting for their lives like ourselves, they are just as hard as the top 4.

We need victories, nothing else will do and it's time for everyone to stand up and be counted.

Agreed - lets live and die with what we have giving it our best.

[Tom]

Nine wins sounds tricky but what we need to remember is teams like Sunderland, Wigan, Bolton, Stoke all need 8 or so and all these teams play each other.

If we win the games agaisnt these teams we should be ok i hope, that has to start on saturday and I feel 7 points out of the next 9 is essential.

[American]

Nine wins sounds tricky but what we need to remember is teams like Sunderland, Wigan, Bolton, Stoke all need 8 or so and all these teams play each other.

If we win the games agaisnt these teams we should be ok i hope, that has to start on saturday and I feel 7 points out of the next 9 is essential.

Agreed that 7 is essential, which is why if we don't get at least a point Saturday, other options are needed.

[PAFELL]

Inspired by Vintageadidas post in Paul Ince Thread

Where will the 9 wins come from? How Many Points can we get and from where?

1. Wigan v Rovers - WIN 3

2. Rovers v Stoke - WIN 6

3. Sunderland v Rovers - WIN, were on a roll now 9

4. Rovers v Man City - Loss WIN

5. Fulham v Rovers - Draw 10

6. Rovers v Newcastle - Draw 11 WIN

7. Rovers v Bolton - WIN 14

8. Middlesbrough v Rovers - WIN

9. Rovers v Aston Villa - Loss DRAW

10. Man Utd v Rovers - Loss

11. Hull v Rovers - WIN 17

12. Rovers v Everton - Draw 18 WIN

13. Arsenal v Rovers - Loss

14. Rovers v West Ham - loss WIN

15. Rovers v Tottenham - Loss

16. Liverpool v Rovers - Loss

17. Stoke v Rovers - Draw 19 WIN

18. Rovers v Wigan - WIN 22

19. Man City v Rovers - Loss

20. Rovers v Portsmouth - Draw 23 WIN

21. Chelsea v Rovers - Loss

22. Rovers v West Brom - WIN 26

26 + 13 = 39 (Is it Enough!)

Can anyone else see where the points will come from to stay up?

We can debate all day on what we 'think' the results will be. I differ from yourself and have written my difference in bold. As much as I would like Ince to be replaced as I do not believe he is is ready for the prem - I still do not believe Rovers will be relegated. I was not able to go to the Liverpool at home game, but saw the 90 minutes on sky. There was a difference for the better, in the performance and determination - but not just the players - the vocal support from the supporters was a lot better. The possiblility is that inspired the players better perfomance and not the playing for the manager etc.

Pompey I believe punch above their weight, especialy at home. This I believe is because of the vocal support that inspires. No matter the varied opinion on this board about Ince - we all still want Rovers to remain in the prem and I suggest that this can be 'helped'by the increase in noise from the supporters at the matches. At this moment in time no matter who the manager is or isn't the team and the club need the supporters vocal support behind them.