[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[dave birch]

I find this entire debate utterly pointless and an exercise in navel gazing. T4E your language and the tenor of your words is aimed to annoy and aggravate those people who thought that giving a man a chance to prove himself was a worthwhile exercise rather than listening to rumours mostly from a paper that is constantly anti-Rovers and people who had decided Ince was useless before he made a decision. I made my mind up after the Sunderland game that he had to go and that was based on what was happening on the pitch rather than articles in the gutter press.

Rather than go over old ground raking up pointless arguments, put something positive forward and give us something useful and interesting to debate.

Therein lies the rub.

I supported the appointment of Ince. He was a risk, as the appointment of any manager is. There are no guarantees in football management.

It became apparent that his tenure was not working and, as such, had to be given a "turnaround date". To me, that was after about 13 or so games. After that I was disappointed that he was kept on.

All that is behind us now and any discussion beyond is, to be frank pointless.

[modes98]

is it not time to lock this thread, and move on.... just seeing the guy's name on here still, upsets me. i demand that this Ince thread be locked

If people stop posting it will go down the page. There is obviously some interest so I demand you just don't read the thread if it bothers you that much.

[imy9]

Absolutely there is blame on them. A secenario which, if true, only goes to show how the club is influenced by the feelings of the fans.

It wasn't until there was a virtual 100% agreement on here (and I'd imagine replicated in the bars and pubs near Ewood) that Ince had to go that the club finally took action.

As I said before, the Paulettes coming on here now and saying them realising sooner would have made no difference is a surprising stand-point. If they thought that, why were they so adamant not only in posting in support for Ince, but also in chastising those that were criticising him? Why bother?

This "Paulette" thing is such a daft thing to use against people.

I support Blackburn Rovers FC and as such am now backing Sam Allardyce 100%, does this make me and others "Allardytes"?

I have not said that realising sooner would have made no difference, my point is that we the fans should have judged him on results rather than rumours, when there was 100% agreement on here was the time when results ensured that everyone thought the same, the shame is that IMO more people should have backed Ince's team rather than state they want him out after game 3.

I supported Ince because he was Rovers manager (I know this is a controversial statement ) , hindsight is a wonderful thing, even Theno thought that Hughes was the wrong man for Rovers, well he cant be right every time...

[bellamy11]

Absolutely there is blame on them. A secenario which, if true, only goes to show how the club is influenced by the feelings of the fans.

It wasn't until there was a virtual 100% agreement on here (and I'd imagine replicated in the bars and pubs near Ewood) that Ince had to go that the club finally took action.

As I said before, the Paulettes coming on here now and saying them realising sooner would have made no difference is a surprising stand-point. If they thought that, why were they so adamant not only in posting in support for Ince, but also in chastising those that were criticising him? Why bother?

Because this is where we debate all things regarding Blackburn Rovers? Though it is well documented that JW does frequent these boards, I can't see him making decisions based on majority stances. If he did, Michael Laudrup would probably be our manager now.

I'm really surprised at the angle you're taking - are you really suggesting that people coming on here saying to give Ince more time is what has kept him from being sacked after, say, the Portsmouth match?

[T4E]

Its nothing to do with debate - posters were constantly labelled "Anti-Ince" and accused of harming the club by not supporting the manager. You can't have it both ways - if we have no influence why were those criticisms happening at the time?

It's my opinion that if the fans had united on Ince earlier he would have gone earlier. It's even been said the lack of a reaction at the Liverpool game saved him. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's perfectly feasible and it's the opinion I hold.

[bellamy11]

Its nothing to do with debate - posters were constantly labelled "Anti-Ince" and accused of harming the club by not supporting the manager. You can't have it both ways - if we have no influence why were those criticisms happening at the time?

It's my opinion that if the fans had united on Ince earlier he would have gone earlier. It's even been said the lack of a reaction at the Liverpool game saved him. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's perfectly feasible and it's the opinion I hold.

But the people (Paulettes as you call them) who defended him/want him to do well in the future are similarly being accused of harming the club by not rounding on him earlier.

I don't know what the consensus was "in the pubs/clubs/Gordon's chippy" around Blackburn because I'm not from here any more, but I've heard that Ince was fairly unpopular, though not to the degree that he was on here. I don't know how realistic that is. My dad, a fairly rational Rovers fan, was one of the opinion that he needed more time. He, like many others, was not privvy to any "inside" information such as Ince's lateness arriving for training etc. That would suggest why local opinion was perhaps more sympathetic.

The original "line" was that the Wigan game was Ince's deadline day (and it turned out to be). Rovers fans failed to turn on Ince at the Liverpool game because, to be honest, the majority of people in the ground thought that we played well. In the first half the chants were "Uncle Jack's blue and white army", which is fairly damning. However, as the game wore on they became "Paul Ince's blue and white army" again. It's hard to get people to stand outside the boardroom and protest after a decent performance. Fans didn't feel furious or incredibly gutted by the result. To put it into context, if Ince was manager this weekend against Citeh and we'd capitulated in such a manor I bet there WOULD have been a protest against him, such was the dismay felt amongst fans. It's such an emotive issue.

Ince was given four games. He had them and he (Please don't use that word again)ed them up. He was subsequently fired. I find it very strange to accuse the imys and Buckys of this world of keeping him in a job. If JW came on this messageboard and did what the majority of people wanted then Ince would have gone long ago. I don't think you have to wait until opinion is 95% against to understand what the majority of people want.

[RevidgeBlue]

It's my opinion that if the fans had united on Ince earlier he would have gone earlier. It's even been said the lack of a reaction at the Liverpool game saved him.

Whilst the Board should be aware of the mood amongst the fans I don't think they should be that sensitive to the fans' reaction, you'd have a manager sacked every couple of weeks if mob rule applied to that extent.

Mind you it could save the club around 600k p.a. by dispensing with the Board - every time an issue needs resolving just run a poll on here instead!

[FourLaneBlue]

is it not time to lock this thread, and move on.... just seeing the guy's name on here still, upsets me. i demand that this Ince thread be locked

If that happened the debate would just spread to all the other threads. I fact it already has been doing with this still open so imagine what a mess the board will be with it closed.

Time to move on.

Infighting and bitching between fans is like sooooo last manager....

[yoda]

If that happened the debate would just spread to all the other threads. I fact it already has been doing with this still open so imagine what a mess the board will be with it closed.

Time to move on.

Infighting and bitching between fans is like sooooo last manager....

correct

who the (Please don't use that word again) is paul ince anyway?

[Amo]

Ince's buddy Darren Lewis in today's Mirror, spearheading Ince for the Derby job.

"Ince was sacked by Blackburn a fortnight ago after less than six months in charge."

"But despite his problems at Ewood Park, the former Manchester United midfield star is still regarded as one of the brightest young English bosses around."

"Now the Pride Park board do not want to miss a second opportunity to land the man who clinched promotion and a cup with MK Dons and saved Macclesfield from the drop." And turned a top-ten Premiership team into a relegation shambles.

[Driftpeasant]

Ince's buddy Darren Lewis in today's Mirror, spearheading Ince for the Derby job.

"Ince was sacked by Blackburn a fortnight ago after less than six months in charge."

"But despite his problems at Ewood Park, the former Manchester United midfield star is still regarded as one of the brightest young English bosses around."

"Now the Pride Park board do not want to miss a second opportunity to land the man who clinched promotion and a cup with MK Dons and saved Macclesfield from the drop." And turned a top-ten Premiership team into a relegation shambles.

Yeah, seriously.

That has to be the worst idea ever. I know I've mentioned this before, but Adrian Heath (who manages my local side) told me before the season that Ince manages by yelling. That can work when you're in the lower leagues, and the players are in awe of you and will never reach the same heights you did in your career, but it's not so helpful when the players have some degree of skill. Somehow I think the Championship may be on that ragged edge of Ince's ability.

Still, aside from taking us so low, I don't bear the man any ill will. I just wish he'd mature a little as a manager. Maybe that's the place to do it.

[thenodrog]

I made my mind up after the Sunderland game that he had to go

Well done Ivan. I made my mind up that he had to go before the Sunderland game......

.............. In fact 3 months before.

[thenodrog]

"But despite his problems at Ewood Park, the former Manchester United midfield star is still regarded as one of the brightest young English bosses around."

How close is that to treason?

.......... Rem the death sentence is still on the staute books if proven!

Somehow I think the Championship may be on that ragged edge of Ince's ability.

It's above his ability imo. Pride Park is becoming anything but! I wonder how the Derby supporters are feeling now after potting one dud to find the club is lining up an even bigger one? I bet they are totally ecstatic too at the prospect of Knox, Matthias and Fowler zeroing in should Ince get the job.

[philipl]

Ince getting the Derby job would be brilliant.

It would be a significant bite out of the compensation Rovers would have to pay if that issue is still being negotiated and would completely screw any chance the Rams might have had of recovering Premier League status.

Bonzo.

[Amo]

Give it a few days, and we'll have Darren Lewis ordering Derby to pull their finger out and appoint the next Cloughie.

[philipl]

Nigel?

I am going to keep shtum on what I am aware of for quite a bit longer- I have no idea whether the club has reached a settlement with the jurassic triad yet or not.

Quite a lot but by no means all got exposed by the Mail and Mirror in the days after Ince's departure. For those who are asking how on earth was Ince allowed to even start the season in charge, I believe he very nearly didn't.

[John]

Old Darren, what a guy...

Why Blackburn should hurry up and appoint Paul Ince

[thenodrog]

Old Darren, what a guy...

Why Blackburn should hurry up and appoint Paul Ince

Well I must be daft. I'd wondered what the connection was between him and Ince. Now I know, the answers bloody obvious really now I think about it.

[philipl]

Well I must be daft. I'd wondered what the connection was between him and Ince. Now I know, the answers bloody obvious really now I think about it.

No comment.

[thenodrog]

No comment.

I was having my own little wager about who'd be first. Well done Gunner!

[Pugg]

Quite a lot but by no means all got exposed by the Mail and Mirror in the days after Ince's departure. For those who are asking how on earth was Ince allowed to even start the season in charge, I believe he very nearly didn't.

Excuse me for being slow...but you mean he nearly got sacked before the season started? If that's true how on earth did he last so long when results started to go downhill fast. Or was someone else nearly appointed before Ince?

[RoversSG]

A few short lines from tribal football quoting Benni.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/blackburns-m...training-219355

Seems to confirm what we all know ie Ince sucks!

[Bobby G]

I remember the article from the summer. Only in a coutnry where tabloid-gob is printed can an idiot run to press something like that. A 5th grader could do better.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

So thats a no from Charlton then

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...icle2084306.ece

[philipl]

Rod Liddle's article in The Times ends with this re-assuring paragraph:

But still, we all enjoyed the chutzpah of Hull City, even though it seems to be now draining away and you might bet on the three clubs who came up going straight back down at the end of the season, unless Gareth Southgate can work a little anti-magic. Or indeed, Tony Adams, bless him. The managers of the year so far, in the Premier League, have been Roy Hodgson, David Moyes and Martin O’Neill, which should remind all chairmen that there is no replacement for intelligence.

The highlighted bit is for JW, in case he ever ever thinks again that whatever it was he saw in Ince was a substitute for basic IQ or EQ.