[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[broadsword]

Boloody hell Phil, you don't like Paul Ince much, do you?

[thenodrog]

So thats a no from Charlton then

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...icle2084306.ece

Well obviously CAFC are suffering from deep and inherant racism right through the club aren't they Oliver / Darren?

How does this re-worked Mirror quote fron June sound btw?

"For the love of.,. What are they trying to prove? That the job of bossing mid-table, never-gonna-achieve-anything Charlton was the most sought after in Europe?

Do they think they are Real Madrid or that Chelsea, and that bosses have been trampled in the rush trying to get the job that Curbs didn't want?

Please. Just. Give. Ince. The. Job. So. That. We. Can. All. Move. On.

We are getting really bored with it now..."

Well tf we aren't bored any linger ya divisive knob!

[T4E]

Boloody hell Phil, you don't like Paul Ince much, do you?

Whats to like?

[John]

Whats to like?

I miss his press conferences.

[tonyoz]

This "Paulette" thing is such a daft thing to use against people.

I support Blackburn Rovers FC and as such am now backing Sam Allardyce 100%, does this make me and others "Allardytes"?

I supported Ince because he was Rovers manager (I know this is a controversial statement ) , hindsight is a wonderful thing, even Theno thought that Hughes was the wrong man for Rovers, well he cant be right every time...

Yes, I too was a big Ince supporter but do I feel guilty about that when I look at our present predicament? Not at all.

We fans feed on mere scraps and rumours and it is up to the individual how he or she assimilates this information. We receive incomplete data at best - remember all the hysteria about the Annan trial? He was going to Arsenal wasn't he? Some of the rumours were no doubt true but which ones were not easy to spot at the time. Treating a Daily Mail article as gospel is pure folly. However, I do agree that we all should be more cynical when the likes of Dunn or Nelsen appear in the LET to let us know how wonderful everything is at good old Ewood.

That's it basically...........I made the choice to put a positive spin on any stories (rumours) that appeared whereas many others took the opposite view. At the end of the day I put my faith in John Williams because I knew that he knew more than anyone on here. If he thought that (after a competitive interview) Ince with a short but impressive CV was worth a chance - I could get enthusiastic about that. It didn't work out and again I was happy to let JW and the board decide Ince's fate.

After being a long-time SA hater (an anti-samite?) , I am now very happy to accept that he is the man for this job. In fact I like everything he has done since he arrived. Seeing him on the sidelines has given all of us a boost I think. I am certainly looking forward to every match. And so it goes on, the king is dead - long live the king.......I will keep looking for the positives again - until, of course, the next time it all goes pear shaped.

[thenodrog]

Yes, I too was a big Ince supporter but do I feel guilty about that when I look at our present predicament? Not at all.

We fans feed on mere scraps and rumours and it is up to the individual how he or she assimilates this information.

After being a long-time SA hater (an anti-samite?) , I am now very happy to accept that he is the man for this job. In fact I like everything he has done since he arrived. Seeing him on the sidelines has given all of us a boost I think. -

Very honest tony you were a big Ince supporter from the scraps and rumours that you read and assimilated in the press, you have also been an anti-sammite for the same reason. Yet you feel no guilt? (btw Guilt is not a word I would apply there ..... remorse is better)

Not saying you did but if you signed that infantile petition on facebook then you should.

even Theno thought that Hughes was the wrong man for Rovers, well he cant be right every time...

ahem. I had a reservation about Mark Hughes which has been explained time and again and which could have been an issue with some player cum managers. I am glad to say I was totally wrong about it too.

btw I hope that from now on JW has learnt his lesson and will NOT even grant an interview to anybody who pronounces 'th' as 'f'. In my experience of footballers they are mostly as 'fikasfuk'. ..... and btw that should be extended to cover the England captaincy too!

[tonyoz]

Very honest tony you were a big Ince supporter from the scraps and rumours that you read and assimilated in the press, you have also been an anti-sammite for the same reason. Yet you feel no guilt? (btw Guilt is not a word I would apply there ..... remorse is better)

Not saying you did but if you signed that infantile petition on facebook then you should.

btw I hope that from now on JW has learnt his lesson and will NOT even grant an interview to anybody who pronounces 'th' as 'f'. In my experience of footballers they are mostly as 'fikasfuk'. ..... and btw that should be extended to cover the England captaincy too!

Nope..........not a shred of guilt or remorse. I confess that I was a big Souness supporter too - in fact I was one of the last to "see the light". I supported Ince, Dalglish, Hodgson, Kidd and all the rest with the same naive optimism. But what's the alternative? Come on here and be a miserable, negative so-and-so?

No, I'm happy with my choice.......and no, I don't do petitions (I'm a bit disappointed that you think I might). My former anti-samite stance stems mainly from the Bolton rivalry and the scabby (totally undeserved) results he managed to engineer when playing us.

By the way, if JW had adopted your elocution test, we probably wouldn't have appointed Kenny?

[yoda]

Nope..........not a shred of guilt or remorse. I confess that I was a big Souness supporter too - in fact I was one of the last to "see the light". I supported Ince, Dalglish, Hodgson, Kidd and all the rest with the same naive optimism. But what's the alternative? Come on here and be a miserable, negative so-and-so?

No, I'm happy with my choice.......and no, I don't do petitions (I'm a bit disappointed that you think I might). My former anti-samite stance stems mainly from the Bolton rivalry and the scabby (totally undeserved) results he managed to engineer when playing us.

By the way, if JW had adopted your elocution test, we probably wouldn't have appointed Kenny?

Which JW do you mean?

[tonyoz]

Which JW do you mean?

Oops..............you got me..............time warp..............

Change JW to "the board".

[thenodrog]

By the way, if JW had adopted your elocution test, we probably wouldn't have appointed Kenny?

He wasn't the easiest to understand but Kenny could pronounce 'th' just fine. btw add onto that single stipulation anybody who pronounces 'party' with a silent 't'!

[broadsword]

Unintentionally funny interview with Keith Alexander in the Mail today

Headline: "How can I be the only black manager in the country? ... Would Paul Ince have got longer if he were white?"

Excerpts:

- "There is no question in my mind there's racism at the top level"

- "Look at the Paul Ince situation at Blackburn. Would he have got longer if he was a white manager? I would say he wouldn't, because it's a results business now" -- not excalty a supporting point

- " ... many white captains of England have gone straight into the Premier League as managers. Paul had to do an apprenticeship to get there" - not much of an apprenticeship to get there (as he concedes elsewhere), so it's not as if he was hanging around in the lower division for years

- "I took Lincoln into four play-off running, but I've never had a job offer higherup than League Two. You tell me why. I've got every coaching badge there is" - Well, Keith First of all if you want a job higher than League Two you could always get your club promoted? Secondly, you are barking up teh wrong tree. You are trying to prove a point about racism whilst previously mentioning that Paul Ince got to manage in the Premiership, and he doesn't have any sodding badges. There's a trend towards appointing people based on their playing reputations rather than coaching ability, I suggest this is an inhibiting factor

- "Having said that, black people don't invest in football. They are all white chairmen and white boards, so what do you expect? ... you are entitled to have as a manager who you want" -- so we're all racist, but it's OK, because it's our choice?

I think he's got himself a bit confused here

There is an unfortunate trend towards top clubs appointing players with a big name who don't have any managerial experience. Outside of that, and it is an inhibiting factor for all aspiring coaches who don't have the playing pedigree, it's an open field.

A far more revealing interview would've been one with an aspiring black coach who had all the badges but couldn't get a job. Is there one out there? Because if there isn't then it's just tilting at windmills.

It is a results business, and clubs want a man in charge who can get them, the colour of his skin I guarantee won't be a problem

I get the impression he has a chip on his shoulder

[yoda]

Unintentionally funny interview with Keith Alexander in the Mail today

Headline: "How can I be the only black manager in the country? ... Would Paul Ince have got longer if he were white?"

Excerpts:

- "There is no question in my mind there's racism at the top level"

- "Look at the Paul Ince situation at Blackburn. Would he have got longer if he was a white manager? I would say he wouldn't, because it's a results business now" -- not excalty a supporting point

- " ... many white captains of England have gone straight into the Premier League as managers. Paul had to do an apprenticeship to get there" - not much of an apprenticeship to get there (as he concedes elsewhere), so it's not as if he was hanging around in the lower division for years

- "I took Lincoln into four play-off running, but I've never had a job offer higherup than League Two. You tell me why. I've got every coaching badge there is" - Well, Keith First of all if you want a job higher than League Two you could always get your club promoted? Secondly, you are barking up teh wrong tree. You are trying to prove a point about racism whilst previously mentioning that Paul Ince got to manage in the Premiership, and he doesn't have any sodding badges. There's a trend towards appointing people based on their playing reputations rather than coaching ability, I suggest this is an inhibiting factor

- "Having said that, black people don't invest in football. They are all white chairmen and white boards, so what do you expect? ... you are entitled to have as a manager who you want" -- so we're all racist, but it's OK, because it's our choice?

I think he's got himself a bit confused here

There is an unfortunate trend towards top clubs appointing players with a big name who don't have any managerial experience. Outside of that, and it is an inhibiting factor for all aspiring coaches who don't have the playing pedigree, it's an open field.

A far more revealing interview would've been one with an aspiring black coach who had all the badges but couldn't get a job. Is there one out there? Because if there isn't then it's just tilting at windmills.

It is a results business, and clubs want a man in charge who can get them, the colour of his skin I guarantee won't be a problem

I get the impression he has a chip on his shoulder

There is a valid point in there though,

All good business's are led from the top,

Why are there so few asian or black chair persons?

[blue phil]

.....and why are there so many Jewish ones ?

[Eddie]

Here's a question:

Does anyone think results would have been much different in these four games if Ince had still been in charge?

Personally I think we would have picked up at least 4 points in the league and won in the cup.

[allrovertheworld]

Here's a question:

Does anyone think results would have been much different in these four games if Ince had still been in charge?

Personally I think we would have picked up at least 4 points in the league and won in the cup.

I think it would have been very different, stoke would have been a struggle, Sunderland away no chance and city? well anything could have happend with our terrible manager (by that I mean Ince) and a city team who can be very good or garbage. 2 points at the most i reckon under Ince. Only now he has left are we seeing how bad he was and we were all blinded (me included) as we wanted to give him a chance.

[Jan]

Here's a question:

Does anyone think results would have been much different in these four games if Ince had still been in charge?

Personally I think we would have picked up at least 4 points in the league and won in the cup.

I think we would have lost them all. We'd have continued to leak goals and had all sorts playing everywhere. Give it up Eddie. He was completely useless.

[colin]

I think we would have lost them all. We'd have continued to leak goals and had all sorts playing everywhere. Give it up Eddie. He was completely useless.

Too true, he's just managed seven losses in the row. Ince's tenure was like getting into a car with a drunk driver. The decision has to be made to kick him out and get someone else in charge.

Neat analogy eh?

[T4E]

Neat analogy eh?

Very much so, and with Ince in charge we were most definitely 'on the rocks'.

[Hughesy]

Ince ready to return he thinks!!

Im sure he is having a little dig in his article. Apparently SSN are running his interview from 6am tomorrow.

if something comes along that appeals to me or that is right, where I can build and have my imprint on the team that I run and how I want it to play then I'm here and waiting

[philipl]

Ince ready to return he thinks!!

Im sure he is having a little dig in his article. Apparently SSN are running his interview from 6am tomorrow.

if something comes along that appeals to me or that is right, where I can build and have my imprint on the team that I run and how I want it to play then I'm here and waiting

The guy needs to take a big time out, get educated (and not just in terms of badges but get an understanding of having a senior management position), build a modern network of contacts and then come back.

Anybody appointing him now would be taking the same risk as John Williams did with the same disastrous results in all probability.

[colbert]

I think he will do really well outside the prem. he will learn and i think within five years he will be a great manager. I think this time around he leaped before he could walk.

[PLZ Blue]

Ince ready to return he thinks!!

Im sure he is having a little dig in his article. Apparently SSN are running his interview from 6am tomorrow.

if something comes along that appeals to me or that is right, where I can build and have my imprint on the team that I run and how I want it to play then I'm here and waiting

Is the ponce implying that there was meddling from the board or JW here?

Most likely has something to do with his "wish list" that was declined...

"Dear Santa: please give me a Messi and a Kaka and a Ronaldo, and if I can't have those, then 3 non-leaguers and 2 washed out has-beens.

I have been a good boy. signed Paulie Ince"

[colbert]

Is the ponce implying that there was meddling from the board or JW here?

Most likely has something to do with his "wish list" that was declined...

"Dear Santa: please give me a Messi and a Kaka and a Ronaldo, and if I can't have those, then 3 non-leaguers and 2 washed out has-beens.

I have been a good boy. signed Paulie Ince"

a bit over the top, dont you think? or do you?

[PLZ Blue]

a bit over the top, dont you think? or do you?

Waaay over the top, but does it matter? He is gone and needs a reality check.

[PLZ Blue]

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...4767511,00.html

Will the man not shut up??

Not OTT.