[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[Mr Creosote]

Mind if I offer a correction Pugg?

Allardyce keeps picking Andrews and the lad Bunn looks a decent keeper.

Looks like Ince could get the gig at Norwich. A good place to start his rehabilitation and would have been ideal as the next step up from MK Dons.

[tony gale's mic]

Interesting to see how Southgate, who hasn't actually been anywhere near as disastrous as Boro manager, has responded to people calling for his head:

And as the Baggies celebrated moving off the bottom (they are just behind Boro now on goal difference), Southgate admitted his days might be numbered.

Southgate said: “Steve is a ruthless businessman and if he thinks he needs a change I can have no complaints based on our run of results.”

[philipl]

Allardyce keeps picking Andrews and the lad Bunn looks a decent keeper.

Looks like Ince could get the gig at Norwich. A good place to start his rehabilitation and would have been ideal as the next step up from MK Dons.

Norwich are relegation certainties if that useless cretin goes there.

OK only 4 games from Sam but we were top 7 under Hughes and Sam's played 4 won 2 drawn 2 is top 7 performance with Hughes' squad sadly minus Friedel and Bentley. Very clearly points the finger at Ince being the decisive factor in our decline over the first 17 games this season.

[MCMC1875]

Norwich are relegation certainties if that useless cretin goes there.

OK only 4 games from Sam but we were top 7 under Hughes and Sam's played 4 won 2 drawn 2 is top 7 performance with Hughes' squad sadly minus Friedel and Bentley. Very clearly points the finger at Ince being the decisive factor in our decline over the first 17 games this season.

He's gone Philip - your anti-Ince agenda was less than subtle. Time to move on.

[thenodrog]

He's gone Philip - your anti-Ince agenda was less than subtle. Time to move on.

Philip is no doubt like me..... once we are safe from relegation I may just be able to put the idiocy displayed by directors and some supporters alike during Ince's tenure behind me. Bloody hell the fact that Wally was supposedly second choice with the board still leaves me mortified! Until then the memory of that dud is still festering like an open wound.

There is an old saying MCM...... 'You learn from your mistakes' . To move on too quickly is to ignore that mantra.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Here's another phrase or two Theno.

"Beating a dead horse".

"Playing the same broken record".

[philipl]

He's gone Philip - your anti-Ince agenda was less than subtle. Time to move on.

But I was sadly all too right.

15 Portsmouth 20 -12 23

16 Blackburn 21 -11 21

17 Middlesbrough 22 -15 21

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18 Stoke 22 -16 21

19 West Brom 22 -17 21

20 Tottenham 21 -6 20

He has gone but the cretince's legacy is all too evident. We are deep in a relegation battle and the chances are we will be £10m down through employment costs and lost prize money because of him even if we stay up.

[MCMC1875]

Philip is no doubt like me..... once we are safe from relegation I may just be able to put the idiocy displayed by directors and some supporters alike during Ince's tenure behind me. Bloody hell the fact that Wally was supposedly second choice with the board still leaves me mortified! Until then the memory of that dud is still festering like an open wound.

There is an old saying MCM...... 'You learn from your mistakes' . To move on too quickly is to ignore that mantra.

Ince was indeed crap. The board should however shoulder some of the blame for making the appointment in the first place Theno.

[Jan]

But I was sadly all too right.

15 Portsmouth 20 -12 23

16 Blackburn 21 -11 21

17 Middlesbrough 22 -15 21

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18 Stoke 22 -16 21

19 West Brom 22 -17 21

20 Tottenham 21 -6 20

He has gone but the cretince's legacy is all too evident. We are deep in a relegation battle and the chances are we will be £10m down through employment costs and lost prize money because of him even if we stay up.

Philip, while I would still be very happy to hear that someting extremely nasty had happened to Ince, I think you should look up the table a bit. From having nearly the worst goal difference, essentially worth a point against, we now have three more teams in our sights above with similar goal difference (As well as 5 below us). I don't actually think that will count as we have, and always have had, a squad capable of being top half, but the very fact that we would no longer be crucifed by goal difference is extremely important.

However for the moronic Ince apologists out there, I agree with Philip and Theno in one respect. It is now clear that the man had NO (repat none, repeat zilch) management skills whatsoever. He took a team that finished 7th to a team that was being relegated. A manager with a clue has now brought us back to a team that will finish mid-table. Norwich and any other team that think the publicity from hiring him might be nice should simply look at the facts. He's no bloody good. (For further proof look at MK Dons who were devastated to lose their manager and star player and who are foundering in SECOND place in League 1 with a rookie -and more money than we have). Even Macclesfield didn't go backwards after he left. Says it all really.

[thenodrog]

Ince was indeed crap. The board should however shoulder some of the blame for making the appointment in the first place Theno.

I thought I'd made that point quite strongly.

[imy9]

Philip, while I would still be very happy to hear that someting extremely nasty had happened to Ince, I think you should look up the table a bit. From having nearly the worst goal difference, essentially worth a point against, we now have three more teams in our sights above with similar goal difference (As well as 5 below us). I don't actually think that will count as we have, and always have had, a squad capable of being top half, but the very fact that we would no longer be crucifed by goal difference is extremely important.

However for the moronic Ince apologists out there, I agree with Philip and Theno in one respect. It is now clear that the man had NO (repat none, repeat zilch) management skills whatsoever. He took a team that finished 7th to a team that was being relegated. A manager with a clue has now brought us back to a team that will finish mid-table. Norwich and any other team that think the publicity from hiring him might be nice should simply look at the facts. He's no bloody good. (For further proof look at MK Dons who were devastated to lose their manager and star player and who are foundering in SECOND place in League 1 with a rookie -and more money than we have). Even Macclesfield didn't go backwards after he left. Says it all really.

Ince was a mistake, no question BUT, revisionist history really annoys me:

Ince took Maccs from BOTTOM of the football league, they were TWELVE points adrift and survived comfortably.

Ince took MK Dons to promotion and their first trophy in his first season.

Can he be a good manager? Yes.

Is he capable of managing a PL team right now? Hell no.

Can he help Norwich survive? Probably.

[thenodrog]

Can he help Norwich survive? Probably.

If thats the case then just about anybody and their mother can too.

[American]

Ince was a mistake, no question BUT, revisionist history really annoys me:

Ince took Maccs from BOTTOM of the football league, they were TWELVE points adrift and survived comfortably.

Ince took MK Dons to promotion and their first trophy in his first season.

Can he be a good manager? Yes.

Is he capable of managing a PL team right now? Hell no.

Can he help Norwich survive? Probably.

Agree. The counter point to Jan's talking about how well his former clubs are doing is that he set them up to do well even after he left.

[imy9]

If thats the case then just about anybody and their mother can too.

The fact that he got Maccs out of an impossible position suggests that Ince could cope with it and a team bottom of the championship is likely to look on in awe of an ex England captain.

Ince's CV before Rovers suggests he could cope with being a manager but it is down to him making changes in the personel that he brings with him.

[Jan]

Agree. The counter point to Jan's talking about how well his former clubs are doing is that he set them up to do well even after he left.

Or, more likely given the evidence, that anyone could have done it. And with MK Dons, they were 4th the season before Ince. So not a huge improvement.

[thenodrog]

Oh well. It's over now and he's gone. Paul Ince apologists amaze me until I take into account that even Hitler commanded a certain amount of support after he'd gone too.

[Mr Creosote]

Oh well. It's over now and he's gone. Paul Ince apologists amaze me until I take into account that even Hitler commanded a certain amount of support after he'd gone too.

Only you could make that comparison.

[dave birch]

Only you could make that comparison.

What do you expect from someone who plays golf on game days?

Or are you swinging again, theno?

[thenodrog]

Only you could make that comparison.

I thank you.

[thenodrog]

What do you expect from someone who plays golf on game days?

Or are you swinging again, theno?

Wrong. Weekday member only Dave. But I guess even playing golf when a match is on is a better shout than simply sleeping right through em eh?

btw how much financial support do you actually contribute to the Ewood coffers these days other than an odd shirt purchase every other season?

[dave birch]

Wrong. Weekday member only Dave. But I guess even playing golf when a match is on is a better shout than simply sleeping right through em eh?

btw how much financial support do you actually contribute to the Ewood coffers these days other than an odd shirt purchase every other season?

It was you that said you'd be playing golf, not me. I do go to bed very late and wake late after match days. Takes me a day to get over it.

Q2, enough.

[T4E]

Only you could make that comparison.

Obviously you've never met Blue Phil.

[BuckyRover]

Oh well. It's over now and he's gone. Paul Ince apologists amaze me until I take into account that even Hitler commanded a certain amount of support after he'd gone too.

You shouldn't hang around with Nazi's theno, they will lead you astray and may even radicalise you to a point where your views could be considered right wing.

[T4E]

You shouldn't hang around with Nazi's theno, they will lead you astray and may even radicalise you to a point where your views could be considered right wing.

This is exactly the same theory as to why you should stop hanging around with the Teletubbies.

[thenodrog]

You shouldn't hang around with Nazi's theno,

Thats odd! I don't recall ever saying that I did. Where did you pluck that one from Bucky?