[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[BuckyRover]

The Teletubbies?

Thatt's all a bit 1998 for me. Get with the times, that was ten years ago now. You can do better than that.

[imy9]

Or, more likely given the evidence, that anyone could have done it. And with MK Dons, they were 4th the season before Ince. So not a huge improvement.

Is it that easy to get a team that finished 4th to promotion and winning their first trophy for the first time, whilst playing good football?

Let me guess Maccs had a strong squad of players and anyone could have got them to survive when they were TWELVE points adrift

Oh well. It's over now and he's gone. Paul Ince apologists amaze me until I take into account that even Hitler commanded a certain amount of support after he'd gone too.

Apologists? You do realise that this is an opinion forum and as such people tend to express them (not just you), Ince has shown that managing a premier league team is beyond him at the moment but likewise has shown he is a successful lower league manager, is that so difficult to understand dear?

[philipl]

Neither a question of being apologists nor hating Ince although he is a hateful character based on his comments before he came to Rovers and the way he got all wide eyed and bushy tailed when he thought Newcastle might be interested after KK's most recent disappearing act.

On any rational basis, the guy was a complete and utter disaster.

He pitched us into a wholly unnecessary relegation battle.

Flogging Bentley and Friedel and bringing in Fowler, Andrews, Grella, Robinson, Bunn and Simpson and no cover on the right wing is patchy at best and highly dubious if you don't look at it charitably.

Macclesfield was and will always remain a massive achievement. MK Dons he rode his luck and at Rovers he was found out BIG TIME.

[American]

Or, more likely given the evidence, that anyone could have done it. And with MK Dons, they were 4th the season before Ince. So not a huge improvement.

He gave them a league title and a cup that they didn't get the season before, along with an amazing escape with Macc.

And Gord, just because people think he is a good lower league manager doesn't mean they are "supporters." He tried to make the step up and he failed. Obviously he found his level in league 2 and would have been better off trying to move up one league at a time with MK. He accomplished more in 2 seasons before the half-season of failure with us than most lower league managers do in a career.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Neither a question of being apologists nor hating Ince although he is a hateful character based on his comments before he came to Rovers and the way he got all wide eyed and bushy tailed when he thought Newcastle might be interested after KK's most recent disappearing act.

On any rational basis, the guy was a complete and utter disaster.

He pitched us into a wholly unnecessary relegation battle.

Flogging Bentley and Friedel and bringing in Fowler, Andrews, Grella, Robinson, Bunn and Simpson and no cover on the right wing is patchy at best and highly dubious if you don't look at it charitably.

Macclesfield was and will always remain a massive achievement. MK Dons he rode his luck and at Rovers he was found out BIG TIME.

Bentley / Friedel - nothing to do with Ince

Fowler - huge mistake

Andrews - looking like a reasonable signing - to be honest, if only to make up numbers to cover for injuries, he will turn out to be a reasonable signing

Grella - injured, but has shown recently how good a player he could be for us

Robinson - possibly the best experienced EPL keeper available at the time (that we could afford)

Bunn - one for the future

Simpson - only a loan, could have gone either way

Lets not forget Sam has yet to get us a decent right winger - after all it is pointless buying somebody just because they play on the right wing.

He was found out at Rovers - but mainly due to his choice of back-room staff

[tony gale's mic]

Bentley / Friedel - nothing to do with Ince

Fowler - huge mistake

Andrews - looking like a reasonable signing - to be honest, if only to make up numbers to cover for injuries, he will turn out to be a reasonable signing

Grella - injured, but has shown recently how good a player he could be for us

Robinson - possibly the best experienced EPL keeper available at the time (that we could afford)

Bunn - one for the future

Simpson - only a loan, could have gone either way

Lets not forget Sam has yet to get us a decent right winger - after all it is pointless buying somebody just because they play on the right wing.

He was found out at Rovers - but mainly due to his choice of back-room staff

And still it continues.

Bentley/Friedel - was to do with Ince. He sold them. And while Sam hasn't got a right winger, that's because right now we have other priorities given our position in the league and defensive record etc. In the summer not signing a replacement RM was still unforgivable.

Andrews - Is starting to look OK to be fair. Grella has started to look quite good.

Robinson - Why go for Premier League keepers? Why not look on the continent? We should have got a better replacement than Robinson. He's not a bad keeper and has been okay for us this season, but certainly not better.

Bunn - who knows.

Simpson - awful.

But it wasn't Ince's signings that were his main issue - Sam is getting better results already. Neither was it his backroom staff. It was his sheer ineptitude as a manager. Stories abound, far too many stories to be baseless, of him being an extremely poor man manager. The players have hardly been complimentary about the time with him in charge when he left. Tactically he was awful, look at the amount of players played out of position. Look at the amount of times we fell apart in the second half. He lacked the basic personal qualities - see the increasingly paranoid interviews towards the end of his tenure, passing on the buck to anyone but himself.

Yes his backroom choices were poor but even the best backroom staff in the world couldn't have made that much impact on the things I listed.

When compared to his other mistakes, his signings haven't been as awful..although that's saying more about the rest of his tenure really.

[rebelmswar]

I mean it has to be hideous when people have to use the signing of Andrews as some manner of praise.

The only good thing that came out of the Ince saga was that the bugger left.

[tony gale's mic]

Grella could be the only saving grace of the Ince era. He's looked handy when he's not been crocked.

[rebelmswar]

Grella could be the only saving grace of the Ince era. He's looked handy when he's not been crocked.

That could well be true but I will put that down to a persistent scout

[philipl]

Ex-Canaries GK Bryan Gunn has got the Norwich job.

[67splitscreen]

That could well be true but I will put that down to a persistent scout

Long time no see, been off fighting an election have we, seem to remember you saying something about away for a couple of weeks.

[American]

He's gone Philip - your anti-Ince agenda was less than subtle. Time to move on.

Actually, his anti-Ince agenda only occurred when we weren't doing well. Found some fun quotes from after the first match in charge:

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=661999

And this gem, from Mr. Didactic himself (who now that he's right, "always" had that extreme stance):

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=662121

Unrest? Yet here, he was "winning the dressing room"

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=666348

(sorry, just had to celebrate the return of the search function.)

[philipl]

Actually, his anti-Ince agenda only occurred when we weren't doing well. Found some fun quotes from after the first match in charge:

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=661999

And this gem, from Mr. Didactic himself (who now that he's right, "always" had that extreme stance):

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=662121

Unrest? Yet here, he was "winning the dressing room"

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=666348

(sorry, just had to celebrate the return of the search function.)

This is a very odd post if you actually look at the posts in context.

[Jan]

This is a very odd post if you actually look at the posts in context.

I'm so very, very glad I called it on 22 June. Although I mistakenly thought he wouldn't be as bad as Harford or Kidd. On that at least, I was wrong.

[thenodrog]

(sorry, just had to celebrate the return of the search function.)

I rem Philipl coming all over positive about Paul Ince for a week or two early doors.

,,,,,,,,,,, But you'll be bloody pushed... search function or no search function... to find any positives with my name on.

On reflection Gunner Graham soon saw the light though. What I fail to fathom out are the people who refused to see to the end (and some even now) that he was completely incompetent and totally unsuited to the task. Bloody odd trait imo.

[waggy]

have you not got the blue peter badge yet,you would think you had done something worth while

[thenodrog]

have you not got the blue peter badge yet,you would think you had done something worth while

When in a hole of your own making waggy it's best to stop digging!

[philipl]

I did argue for this thread to be kept open so I guess American rooting around the trash cans was an unexpected bonus.

I went from slamming Ince for his transfers and calling him a Jeckyll and Hyde character to all out opposition. Well at least I gave him a chance to convince me from a scepticle position and he failed.

[Kelbo]

As a football coach, I was always taught, to tell both players and myself, always take something from every game, even the negatives and the bad things you learn never to do them again.

Paul Ince alllowed his team to play and conmcede goals for fun and kept asking for more time without addressing the problem, that is very poor in any situation, he wasnt willing to learn, wasnt willing to do his badges and left his team demoralised when it was his job to lift them.

With the same bunch of players Sam has stopped us leaking goals and but for the players, who have missed a host of chances, we could have been sitting in 10th place or better today!!

I thought Ince would be OK at the beginning, but after the close season, could see there was nothing there, never mind the Everton game, that was a one off, the rest of the time we were poor, disorganised and weak.

I think Ince has been found out, we shall see if he ever gets another job!!

[American]

I did argue for this thread to be kept open so I guess American rooting around the trash cans was an unexpected bonus.

I went from slamming Ince for his transfers and calling him a Jeckyll and Hyde character to all out opposition. Well at least I gave him a chance to convince me from a scepticle position and he failed.

Yet you have been making it sound that you had all out opposition the entire time, yet you were slamming people who were vehemently against him.

And I think that if you compare Ince's one window to Sam's, there isn't much of a difference, except Roque being more professional than Bentley and not feigning injury, so we could hold onto him if we didn't get the offer or replacement we wanted.

Sam is a hell of a man manager and Ince a poor one at this level, because if you look at everything else they've done, it is very similar (relying on Andrews, Derbs on the right wing, Andre at right back, etc).

[Shevchenko]

Sam is a hell of a man manager and Ince a poor one at this level, because if you look at everything else they've done, it is very similar (relying on Andrews, Derbs on the right wing, Andre at right back, etc).

There´s also the losing and not losing bit.

[philipl]

Oh dear American, that post was not very clever was it?

In fact downright naive.

Most people were very unhappy about Ince's appointment but willing to give him ago (go back to the first post your search excavated and look at the votes on Ince- awful compared with the vote taken when Hughes was appointed).

That was my position and as he was our manager I looked for the positive and the best I could manage was Jekyll and Hyde.

In terms of the differences between Ince and Allardyce, well the transition happened when the transfer window was closed so short of calling up the Academy I guess that yes he was going to be using the same players.

The most distressing part of your comment is that you have failed to notice that under Ince we were a disorganised, unfit, goal-leaking, demoralised shambles and under Sam the team looks organised, is moving to receive passes, 5 out of 7 game shut-outs at the the back and several players looking like they have a completely new lease of life.

There is also the 6 defeats on the trot as opposed to 7 undefeated but then winning means nothing to Americans does it?

[American]

That's the whole man management part. He's still playing the same players, and many of them in the same "out of positions." Sam has them much more inspired.

Not so sure how much different that is than what you are describing. Read a little better next time.

Sam's now had a window to revamp the squad with his players and hasn't changed much.

[tonyoz]

,,,,,,,,,,, But you'll be bloody pushed... search function or no search function... to find any positives with my name on.

Now................. that did make me burst out laughing!

[BuckyRover]

Playing Warnock in midfield is that not a positive?

I have heard quite a few people advocating Sam doing exactly the same when previously they would have said something like "PLAY PLAYERS IN THEIR CORRECT POSITIONS, IS HE ******* MENTAL? CAN HE EVEN READ THE TEAM SHEET? WARNOCK IS A LEFT BACK"

etc .etc.