[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[philipl]

Playing Warnock in midfield is that not a positive?

I have heard quite a few people advocating Sam doing exactly the same when previously they would have said something like "PLAY PLAYERS IN THEIR CORRECT POSITIONS, IS HE ******* MENTAL? CAN HE EVEN READ THE TEAM SHEET? WARNOCK IS A LEFT BACK"

etc .etc.

Wake me up when you have anything interesting or sensible to say.

[BuckyRover]

Says the accountant.......

Sweet irony.

The hypocrisy is earth shattering. I am not particulary aiming my previous comment at you. I saw your praise for Ince when we were doing well.

[broadsword]

Who was Ince playing at left back when he had Warnock in the middle, I can't even remember.

Whoever it was, they couldn't have been much cop, we were leaking goals like the Titanic took in water.

It's all well and good playing Warnock in midfield, but it all starts at the back. If taking Warnock out of the back four to play in midfield weakens the back four then it's not acceptable because you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, but it's worse than that because I'd rather have a weaker midfield than a weaker defence.

Clean sheets are the basis of everything.

[T4E]

Who was Ince playing at left back when he had Warnock in the middle, I can't even remember.

Whoever it was, they couldn't have been much cop, we were leaking goals like the Titanic took in water.

Olsson. Ask Aaron Lennon how tight he kept things for us.

Your signature is fantastic btw

[broadsword]

:laugh: I was wondering who'd notice!

[LeChuck]

Olsson. Ask Aaron Lennon how tight he kept things for us.

Ooijer played a few games there as well didn't he? I know he was there against Bolton to counteract Davies, but I'm sure he played some more too.

Either way, both were rubbish, at least Givet gives us the chance to move Warnock into midfield without weakening the defence (hopefully).

[T4E]

I think we'll see Givet tonight, hopefully in correct position (whatever that may be, I have no idea).

Hopefully we'll never see Olsson again. Or Ince (just to stay on topic).

[gazsimm]

I think we'll see Givet tonight, hopefully in correct position (whatever that may be, I have no idea).

Hopefully we'll never see Olsson again. Or Ince (just to stay on topic).

Olsson still has a future at Rovers i reckon. He has had a couple of bad games this season (mainley when Ince was in charge), but i still think he is a good player and will learn from his mistakes he has done this season. Maybe left back is not Olsson's best postion, i think he will do a better job as a left winger, he can't be any worse then the performances that Pederson has put in the last two seasons

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I agree with you vis Olsson.He's really raw but he's also talented and he's one of the few at the club with pace. I'm not sure he's got the temperament for full back but he's worth a whirl on the left wing.

[thenodrog]

Who was Ince playing at left back when he had Warnock in the middle, I can't even remember.

Whoever it was, they couldn't have been much cop, we were leaking goals like the Titanic took in water.

It's all well and good playing Warnock in midfield, but it all starts at the back. If taking Warnock out of the back four to play in midfield weakens the back four then it's not acceptable because you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, but it's worse than that because I'd rather have a weaker midfield than a weaker defence.

Clean sheets are the basis of everything.

It's just possible that Warnock might prove you wrong now that he is working with a proper managerial team and not under that last shower.

[broadsword]

Ah, Warnock was the one who was playing to get Ince sacked, wasn't he?

[T4E]

One of many.

[dopper69]

Paul Ince on football focus now. Blah, blah Blackburn panicked blah, disgrace that Adams has been sacked blah blah

[broadsword]

Who wouldn't panic with Ince in charge of tehir football club.

Just one word ... "Shoot"!

[Amo]

The Soccer Saturday panel were laying into Pompey today for sacking Adams, so it's not just us who have got in the neck this season.

[tony gale's mic]

At least Pompey weren't in the relegation zone and 5 points adrift like we were.

[John]

Should have given him more time

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

A man completely out of his depth who brought our club to it's knees....

I hope and pray that Rovers can avoid relegation. Being relegated would of course be an absolute disaster and would place the long-term future of our club at risk.

If we can avoid the drop then I hope that John Williams and the board will sit down in the summer and have a full and thorough review of exactly why Rovers have been in such a mess this season, especially compared with last season when we finished 7th. In January 2008 John Williams claimed that Rovers were challenging for a Champions League place and said that he saw no reason why Mark Hughes would want to leave. I feel that Mr Williams was in denial.

The first big mistake that the Rovers board and the trustees made in my view was failing to give Hughes the necessary funds to spend in the January 2008 transfer window. After Rovers sold the ageing Robbie Savage there was an even bigger gaping hole in the centre of midfield which needed to be filled. We were crying out for another midfielder even when Savage was at the club.

Failing to give Hughes decent funds to spend in the transfer market contributed in my view to Hughes feeling that he couldn't fulfill his long-term managerial ambitions at Ewood Park.

The lack of funds available may have hastened his departure and Hughes decided to walk out of Ewood in June 2008 to join up with the muderous Thai dicatator Dr Shinawatra, much to the disgust of myself and indeed to the disgust of decent fans throughout the country who believe that an evil murderous corrupt thug like Shinawatra should never in a million years have passed the so-called "fit and proper" test for club owners that Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore introduced.

What a sham the so-called "fit and proper" test is. Talking about "fit and proper" - it was clear certainly to myself, Thenodrog, Tugay4England and several others on this website that Paul Emerson Ince was never in a million years a "fit and proper" person to manage Blackburn Rovers. He was out of his depth right from the word go at his press conference.

For starters, Ince was not even properly qualified for the job. He didn't have the necessary UEFA Pro Licence and John Williams had to go cap in hand to the Premier League and beg for Ince to be allowed dispensation to manage in the Premiership. Unfortunately there was a previous history of dispensation given to other managers. A precedent had been set.

The likes of Steve Wigley (out of his depth during his brief period in charge at Southampton) and Glenn Roeder, who took Gillingham and Watford to the bottom of the table and has been sacked by West Ham, Newcastle and Norwich City, was also out of his depth as a manager. Glenn was given special dispensation to manage in the Premiership after his brain tumour. I'm sorry that Roeder was seriously ill, but harsh as it may sound, the rules in my opinion should not have been allowed to have been broken.

Once you allow rules to be broken and dispensation to be given, then it sets a precedent and becomes a slippery slope which is difficult to control. If Roeder had been given time out of football to do his Pro Licence then perhaps he would have been better qualified for the job, rather than being sacked by West Ham, Newcastle and Norwich. (Incidentally the Norwich chief executive Neil Doncaster has said that Roeder was relieved of his duties at Carrow Road because he was "arrogant and rude" to supporters.)

Mr Doncaster said: "One of the key priorities for the manager is that he understands the importance of the relationship between the club and its supporters and shows them the respect that they deserve. Glenn was arrogant and rude and was dismissive of the supporters opinions."

If that is indeed the case then I'm afraid I have little sympathy for Roeder being sacked by Norwich. I sympathise with him for having a brain tumour, which is a horrible illness to have, but there's no excuse for him being arrogant and rude to supporters.

A few other managers have also had special dispensation to manage in the Premiership without being properly qualified. They include the likes of Gareth Southgate, struggling with Middlesbrough and currently knee-deep in a relegation battle, and Eddie Gray who took over at Leeds United in the 2003/04 season and proved himself unable to prevent Leeds from being relegated.

'Boro chairman Steve Gibson was able to argue: "A precedent has been set with Glenn Roeder." And then other chairman like John Williams have been able to argue that a further precedent was set with Southgate. And so the slippery slope continues.

It's important to emphasise that football management in the modern era is not simply a case of donning a tracksuit and doing a spot of coaching. It's not even enough to keep up-to-date with the latest modern coaching techniques, in terms of fitness, conditioning, and diet etc.

There's so much more to football management now and the financial implications of managing in the Premiership are huge. That's why the UEFA Pro Licence is important and deals with a number of different areas - not just the football side of things like coaching, fitness and injury prevention. But also the off-the-field areas like dealing with agents and the legal aspects of management.

Paul Ince didn't even have his 'B' licence, let alone his 'A' licence or the full UEFA Pro Licence. Ince was like a rabbit caught in the headlights - completely out of his depth from the start. How sad that John Williams, the Rovers board (and indeed a number of supporters) were convinced that Ince was the right man for the job when he patently wasn't.

As Sam Allardyce said in an interview with The Observer today, commenting on the sacking of managers like Tony Adams and Paul Ince: "There are British managers with a big football name who have been getting the opportunity. No disrespect to them, but a lot of it is based on their achievements in playing football rather than the longevity or success they have gained as a manager. That is one of the key areas that should be looked at. This league will find anybody out, not just players but coaches and managers."

Paul Ince was certainly found out in the Premiership. I should emphasise that my objections to Ince were not solely based on his lack of qualifications, though that was part of it.

Even if Ince had possessed the UEFA Pro Licence, I still wouldn't have wanted him anywhere near Ewood Park as a manager. This comes down to his personality, his arrogance, his lack of man-management skills and his inability to string a coherent sentence together. I could go on, but I think you've got the picture by now. In essence, Ince was completely and totally unsuited to the job as Rovers manager.

The tragedy is that the catastrophic decision by John Williams and the Rovers board to appoint Ince has set back our club enormously. Premiership survival is now at huge risk and Sam Allardyce has a massive job on his hands to turn things around.

I would like John Williams to now hold his hands up and admit: "We made a terrible mistake and we also kept faith with Paul Ince for too long. We should have sacked Paul a month earlier."

[tony gale's mic]

Thanks for that Smithy. We were all debating whether or not we thought Ince was good for the club, but that post really clairifed things.

[bobsterbrfc]

Thanks for that Smithy. We were all debating whether or not we thought Ince was good for the club, but that post really clairifed things.

very droll!

[John]

Did not hear it properly, but yesterday pre-match, Setanta had an interview with Sam. He mentioned that he had to change something to do with guidance from under the previous regime...... did anyone manage to see it? Quite interested to know what he said.

[1864roverite]

Absolutely spot on pal.

Ince and his band of idiots have singlehandedly endangered the name of BRFC.

[jim mk2]

A man completely out of his depth who brought our club to it's knees....

I hope and pray that Rovers can avoid relegation. Being relegated would of course be an absolute disaster and would place the long-term future of our club at risk. ................. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Thank you Smiffy for a long, rambling statement of the bleedin' obvious.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

a long, rambling statement of the bleedin' obvious.

Unfortunately it wasn't obvious to John Williams last summer though.

That's the point: Why were the deficiencies of Paul Ince not obvious to Mr Williams, the Rovers board and also many within the media, such as a former colleague of yours at The Times newspaper Jim, the journalist Oliver Holt, who also eulogised the qualities of Paul Ince?

Will you be speaking to some of your former colleagues at The Times, like Oliver Holt, who seems to think that the sun shines out of Ince's backside, and will you be telling Mr Holt how wrong he was about Paul Ince?

Or do you prefer to have a pop at fellow Rovers fans, like myself, who predicted last summer that Ince would be a disaster - and that's exactly how it turned out to be.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Unfortunately it wasn't obvious to John Williams last summer though.

That's the point: Why were the deficiencies of Paul Ince not obvious to Mr Williams, the Rovers board

That is indeed the point. I don't get this, 'it's all Ince's fault' stuff. It would all be his fault if he was qualified, competent and experienced enough to manage successfully in the top flight and did not do so, but he wasn't. Would it be all my fault if Williams had appointed me? Or Roland Rat's if he had got the job?

What's the point of blaming Ince for not demonstrating those qualities when he never had them? If Churchill had appointed a lance corporal to run the battle of EL Alamein and we had lost, who would be to blame?

I could not believe in the accounts Williams was still blathering on about our supposed 'young British manager' model. The only one who fitted that description out of the last 5 managers before Hughes was Kidd - some 'model'

I assumed that those responsible for the single biggest decision in the club for the last 3 years had done their due diligence; clearly they had not.