[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[broadsword]

So far ..., he's got his:

- Home help

- Conservation

- Entertainment

- Starting fires and

- Archery badges

Not bad, eh?

[Jan]

So far ..., he's got his:

- Home help

- Conservation

- Entertainment

- Starting fires and

- Archery badges

Not bad, eh?

But he has repeatedly failed any badge that involved writing or reading.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

So why the hell didn't Gary Neville have the balls to speak out 8 months ago?

Gary "rent-a-quote" Neville - a man who seems to particularly enjoy seeing his name in the newspapers - has hit out this week at former players who are allowed to break the rules and manage in the Premiership without the required coaching badges.

Neville says that he's angry at people being able to get managerial jobs without the proper qualifications. "Players are getting jobs without the badges," said Neville. "They couldn't be bothered or didn't have time, or played at the top level so think, 'Why do I have to do it?'"

"The FA and Premier League have to stand up and be counted. They have to start taking a tougher stand on it," said the Man United defender.

A link to Neville's comments here

Last summer, however, Gary Neville was strangely silent amid all the euphoria, back-slapping and smug congratulations in the liberal media at the news that Paul Ince had become the first black British manager in the Premiership. (The fact that Ince was patently unqualified for the Rovers job and ridiculously over-promoted from League Two without the required qualifications seemed to be rather overlooked by the liberal media in their desire to heap praise on Ince.)

Given Mr Neville's "rent-a-quote" reputation and the fact that he clearly enjoys seeing his name in the newspapers, one wonders why he didn't have the balls to speak out at the time of Ince's appointment at Ewood Park last June.

Could it be that Neville didn't want to rain on the liberal parade in the media? Perhaps he was anxious not to be seen to go against the prevailing wind at the time, when the media was smugly glorifying in the fact that Ince had become the first black British boss in the Premiership.

Twits in the media like Oliver Holt and Darren Lewis were far too busy talking about Ince's colour and what a fantastic moment it was for British football that Ince had become the manager of Blackburn Rovers, that they completely neglected to give any thorough analysis of Ince's lack of coaching qualifications, his lack of experience and suitability for the job.

The reaction of Ince's mate Darren Lewis in the Mirror was that "mid-table never achieve anything Blackburn" should be going down on their hands and knees begging Ince to take the job and that John Williams doesn't know how lucky he is to get such a great guy like Ince managing the club.

Ian Wright in The Sun last summer was angry at the suggestion that Ince should be required to study for a Pro Licence. "Look at Paul's medals and look at what he's done on the pitch. He's got all the experience he needs already," was the ridiculously stupid, but unsurprising reaction of Ian Wright.

The last thing that the likes of Messrs Holt, Lewis and Wright would have wanted at the time would have been for Gary Neville to spoil the party and spoil the liberal congratulations by daring to have the temerity to question Ince's suitability and qualifications for the job.

The prevailing mood at the time in the media was "What a fantastic brave appointment by Blackburn to open up the doors for other black managers to manage in the Premiership."

Under the circumstances, Gary Neville decided to stay quiet at the time rather than have his liberal credentials questioned in the media by daring to question Ince's suitability for the job.

Some of the things that lazy bone-idle Ince couldn't be bothered to learn....

Despite having been a manager of Macclesfield and MK Dons with supposed ambitions to manage in the top flight, it seems that Paul Ince preferred to lie on a sandy beach and take golfing holidays in Majorca in the summer, rather than take any initiative at all in wanting to study for his coaching badges.

Some of the areas covered by the Pro Licence - which John Williams apparently didn't think were important enough for Ince to know prior to him actually taking the job - include the following:

* Mental preparation

* Specialist training

* Game related training

* Fitness and conditioning

* Sports medicine

* Handling professional players

* Styles of play

* Key game analysis

* The media and technology

* Business management

* Club structure

* Contracts and agents

* Practical work and problem solving

* Ethics and code of conduct

Ince probably thinks that Ethics is a county in the south-east of England.

I wish that somebody could have banged the heads of John Williams and Tom Finn together last summer and told them: "You're a pair of fools for even considering appointing a man from League Two like Ince who is not qualified for the job. Open up your eyes and realise the damage that you are going to cause. You are going to put the survival of Blackburn Rovers as a Premiership force at risk by taking this reckless gamble."

Unfortunately for whatever reasons - perhaps incredible naivety being one of the reasons - John Williams decided to go against common sense and he made a monumental cock-up in appointing an inexperienced unqualified man who would leave our club staring at the abyss near the bottom of the table in December.

Lessons have to be learned and such mistakes never repeated again.

[John]

Agree, still can't believe we appointed Ince. Having never been in favour from the start, it still to this day does not make sense. Plus, if reports are to be believed, JW wanted to give Ince 'more time' and the trustees quite rightly were the driving force in his departure.

I was asked last night by a friend, how the hell did Ince get through 3 (was it?) interviews with JW. Beggars belief.

[1864roverite]

bull crap and horseshit baffles brains .......apparently

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Paul Ince.....once this turd of a season is over and we are finally safe its a name I NEVER want to hear again on this MB or around Ewood.

Nice post AESF.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Ince probably thinks that Ethics is a county in the south-east of England.

:D

[DE.]

It must have been one hell of an interview

[Rovermatt]

Could it be that Neville didn't want to rain on the liberal parade in the media? Perhaps he was anxious not to be seen to go against the prevailing wind at the time, when the media was smugly glorifying in the fact that Ince had become the first black British boss in the Premiership.

Now Gary Neville is in on this vast 'liberal media' conspiracy you seem to determined to root out? You really are losing it.

[roversmum]

I don't know why, but it fleetingly crossed my mind that maybe Mr Neville isn't finding the badges as easy as he thought and he's getting the excuses ready -

From the BBC Sport article he says:

"One slip and you're a bum. Is that really for me?"

I suspect at the time of Mr Ince, Neville wasn't interested enough in him or Blackburn to pass comment, but now the time is looming where he will have to make a decision on his future, as the quote indicates, he's bottling the management idea.

[gumboots]

I don't know why, but it fleetingly crossed my mind that maybe Mr Neville isn't finding the badges as easy as he thought and he's getting the excuses ready -

From the BBC Sport article he says:

I suspect at the time of Mr Ince, Neville wasn't interested enough in him or Blackburn to pass comment, but now the time is looming where he will have to make a decision on his future, as the quote indicates, he's bottling the management idea.

I'd never read anything Neville had to say on any topic. Seeing him celebrate today reminded me of just how much I dislike him and how much we haven't missed seeing him play for United.

[roversmum]

Exactly. As long as he stays far away from our club and keeps his nose out of our business that will suit me fine.

[Majiball]

Any self-respecting ex-pro should be easily able to get his badges they are hardly challenging. Coaching training is a joke in our country 2years needed to reach the prem compared to 5 in spain and italy. That should say enough.

We take a very poor attitude towards coaching eductaion in this country and its here to stay.

How many forigen coaches do we have here and how many of ours are working abroad??????

If coaching in this country was as good as we thought it was we would be working all over the world but we're not.

PS all those blaming JW should really take a step back and consider what that choice cost us, finacially. 6 Million quid all our transfer fund. Things may look good now but then it was very bleak either way. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[thenodrog]

But he has repeatedly failed any badge that involved writing or reading.

Prepare youself for a deluge of criticism Jan for suggesting such a thing... even if it's obvious. I was ganged up on big time when I first aired my suspicions.

[thenodrog]

PS all those blaming JW should really take a step back and consider what that choice cost us, finacially. 6 Million quid all our transfer fund. Things may look good now but then it was very bleak either way. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

A few of us employed foresight majiball. Credit for that hardly forthcoming either.

[jim mk2]

smug congratulations in the liberal media................overlooked by the liberal media ........didn't want to rain on the liberal parade ..........and spoil the liberal congratulations ............rather than have his liberal credentials questioned.

Guess who reads the Daily Mail ?

[thenodrog]

Guess who reads the Daily Mail ?

Obviously you do Jimski given the amount of times that you refer to it.

[roversmum]

He only gets it for the sudoku don't you know?

[gillibrand]

I think JW was pushed into the Ince situation and was afraid to sack him because of what has been mentioned earlier!

[Rovermatt]

Yet strangely, he did sack him.

[gillibrand]

Yet strangely, he did sack him.

It has been said before he should have sacked him much earlier, and only did so when he could see Rovers were doomed if he messed around any longer.

[Rovermatt]

Ince was sacked on the same basis as every other doomed manager, regardless of whatever conspiracy theories certain people dream up.

[modes98]

It has been said before he should have sacked him much earlier

Shame we didn't in a way. I think we would be safe now had Sam been in charge a few games earlier.

Ince just didn't have a clue and even his experienced backroom team couldn't make him look even half decent.

[T4E]

Ince was sacked on the same basis as every other doomed manager, regardless of whatever conspiracy theories certain people dream up.

Can you think of a similar situation? Ie a team that finished top 7 the season before, appointed a new unproven manager, ended up rock bottom of the league yet still waited til Christmas to bin him?

Ince was sacked way too late, we sacrificed some very winnable games and if we'd acted sooner we may well have been safe by now.

[Rovermatt]

Can you think of a similar situation? Ie a team that finished top 7 the season before, appointed a new unproven manager, ended up rock bottom of the league yet still waited til Christmas to bin him?

Ince was sacked way too late, we sacrificed some very winnable games and if we'd acted sooner we may well have been safe by now.

I agree that he was sacked too late, that much is obvious. I do however contend that he was sacked for being useless, and that any delay on the part of the club points to a much deeper (and more alarming) malaise than the hypothesis being dredged up in respect of his skin colour.