[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[thenodrog]

Alan Nixon is a reknown sports journalist. This Phillip geezer is some financial type from Malta.

Exactly.

[Mr. E]

*sigh*

It doesn't matter who was in charge. Friedel, Bentley and Cruz (in mind) all left as soon as Ince stepped in. This would have crippled any manager. No, Ince did not have the experience to deal with the situation, but there are few if any managers who would be able to stabilize the team after such a fundamental exodus.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I must admit I'm having some trouble reconciling this thread with the JW love-fest going on on another. How can he NOT be accountable for the Ince debacle?

Who led the recruitment process? - JW. Who announced the 'model' of a young British manager? - JW (Despite us only having had 2 of these out of the last 6 managers, and one of those was a complete flop). Who phoned Alan Shearer? - JW. Who ostentatiously jetted off to the Euros to conduct a dramatic interview with some foreign chappie? - JW. So it's probably fair to assume that JW led the charge to appoint Ince.

Yes, I would expect him to solicit the opinions of the other board members, but accountability for the single biggest decision at the club in 4 years has to rest with the Executive Chairman - JW. It cannot be that no-one is accountable for such a decision. I sat on the board of a much bigger company than BRFC for several years and accountability for big decisions was always clear.

He has many strengths but he must be held accountable for the recruitment process and then dithering over addressing the issue once the scale of the calamity was clear to all, (as indeed he did when Souness was clearly past his sell-by). Whelan canned his mistake after 10 games, and I think Little Fat Sam didn't last as long as Ince either, so it's not as though precedents hadn't been set.

Since every public utterance of Ince seems to confirm that he is a complete idiot, it can only be that JW was so sold on his 'model' that he ignored the clues from Ince himself that he wasn't the man for the job.

By all means carry on blaming Ince for being Ince, but that was never the real issue.

[Silencio]

Within two weeks? We'd beaten Everton 3-2 and Drawn 1-1 with Hull. No justification for sacking him then.

I think the sacking came at the right time, maybe a game or three too late. He shouldn't have been appointed at all.

Within two weeks of being appointed. He should not have managed Rovers in a competitive game...

[Jan]

Within two weeks of being appointed. He should not have managed Rovers in a competitive game...

If not the press conferece, Wolves away preseason. Never seen such an abject capitulation- oh, until every one against the big 4 at home.

[leftfooter]

Dick.

Soz. I forgot that you own the MB. Quite an oversight really, given the inordinate amount of time you appear to spend serially posting, clicking the refresh button and insulting any poster with whom you disagree.

As for your unhealthy tendency to reference the male organ on a virtually daily basis; fixation?

[philipl]

I really had intended letting sleeping dogs lie but when I saw Ince slagging off the Rovers like that....

There are undoubtedly far more people who are aware of far more than I am and I guess if Ince keeps on stirring at this particular hornets nest he's going to get stung very publicly.

The bloke's idea of team spirit turned out to be a Bryan Robson drinking culture with both predictable and unpredictable consequences of which Jason's bus trip was the one that got out. I am told the more professional players objected to the amount they were being expected to drink and ructions followed.

[Mr. E]

I really had intended letting sleeping dogs lie but when I saw Ince slagging off the Rovers like that....

There are undoubtedly far more people who are aware of far more than I am and I guess if Ince keeps on stirring at this particular hornets nest he's going to get stung very publicly.

The bloke's idea of team spirit turned out to be a Bryan Robson drinking culture with both predictable and unpredictable consequences of which Jason's bus trip was the one that got out. I am told the more professional players objected to the amount they were being expected to drink and ructions followed.

Any links?

[SouthAussieRover]

Any links?

Have a look at Nicko's post on page 99.

[philipl]

Times- Ince absolving himself about Rovers

[alexanders]

“For some reason we didn’t have the finances,” Ince said yesterday. “There are a lot of reasons why it didn’t go well, but I don’t think I was to blame for that. My reputation as a manager shouldn’t be tarnished because I wasn’t given the tools. I thought that the board should have backed me a bit more. At least give me till after Christmas. It was harsh, it was a bit unfair, but I’ve got broad shoulders. It’s all about players and finance and if you haven’t got that it’s hard to do your job.”

What an idiot. I wish he never came close to our club.

[SouthAussieRover]

Ah Philip kindly gave you the link.

I'd have let you read back through the read

[T4E]

Soz. I forgot that you own the MB.

Apology accepted. Don't do it again.

[alexanders]

Apology accepted. Don't do it again.

If you are going to play tough, you should really think about changing your avatar

[philipl]

“For some reason we didn’t have the finances,” Ince said yesterday. “There are a lot of reasons why it didn’t go well, but I don’t think I was to blame for that. My reputation as a manager shouldn’t be tarnished because I wasn’t given the tools. I thought that the board should have backed me a bit more. At least give me till after Christmas. It was harsh, it was a bit unfair, but I’ve got broad shoulders. It’s all about players and finance and if you haven’t got that it’s hard to do your job.”

What an idiot. I wish he never came close to our club.

Which begs the question of how Mark Hughes and Sam Allardyce managed with fewer players and less spending money.

[broadsword]

This is what really riles me.

It's the bloody arrogance.

I'd move on if he could shut his bloody trap, but he's incapable.

The arrogance and ignorance really is something to behold.

all this nonsense will take a long time to be forgotten.

[thenodrog]

*sigh*

It doesn't matter who was in charge. Friedel, Bentley and Cruz (in mind) all left as soon as Ince stepped in. This would have crippled any manager. No, Ince did not have the experience to deal with the situation, but there are few if any managers who would be able to stabilize the team after such a fundamental exodus.

Really? Well we soon found one! And living just down the road too.

[Blue blood]

I'm not being unfair on JW but I am being hard on him philip. And why not? How the hell Ince was he even considered for the post before an interview never mind after leaves me absolutely gobsmacked. He is not intelligent enough and his personality and character are not strong enough to even be considered management material. A lot of posters on here who were quite positive about the appointment ( ) had serious misgivings straight after his press conference so how the hell JW could consider him after a series of interviews is amazing............. and more than a taj concerning.

Don't think there was too much wrong with Williams considering/interviewing him (even though there were other, better options available). I'd say given his record prior to rovers that's not too suprising, that's being thorough. It was probably worth Williams seeing whether Ince's prior record, was the tip of the iceberg, so to speak, on a really promising manager. Or even if he was earmarking Ince to see whether he'd make a good next but one manager, or maybe be suitable for assistent manager job to prmote up. So it makes sense for Williams to consider him out for this as well. Nothing wrong in turning over all stones, in the search for a new manager.

Agree utterly though that after the interview there is NO WAY that anyone, let alone a chairman of a premiership football club should have given Ince a job. It leaves me astonished that JW did.

This is what really riles me.

It's the bloody arrogance.

The arrogance and ignorance really is something to behold.

My sentiments exactly.

[Amo]

Ince is easily detracting criticism from the board with his arrogant outbursts. All said and done, Ince was employed to do a professional job and failed quite spectacularly. Had he accepted he was simply out of his depth and unprepared for PL management, I think the majority of us would be less vengeful. As it is, Ince has failed to take the slightest responsibility for his actions, which is hardly befitting the self-proclaimed 'Guvnor.'

I do have my doubts over JW's conduct last summer. His first choice was Alan Shearer, who had even less managerial experience than Ince and no doubt would have been a figurehead to sell season tickets. Or one can only assume JW was trying to spare the millions of viewers tuning in to MOTD to hear his droning paraphrasing of everything the pundit next to him says.

I also remember someone saying JW seemed to revel in having Ince by his side referring to him as 'Chairman', whereas old dogs like Allardyce stick to first-name terms.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I also remember someone saying JW seemed to revel in having Ince by his side referring to him as 'Chairman', whereas old dogs like Allardyce stick to first-name terms.

A bit harsh on the chairman that. I dont think being the big "I am" is something that could be levelled at him.

[Amo]

A bit harsh on the chairman that. I dont think being the big "I am" is something that could be levelled at him.

I never said I agreed with it. I was just hoping to lure out the person who did so they'd elaborate.

[Mr. E]

Times- Ince absolving himself about Rovers

I read that before and cannot find a word wrong with it.

I mean, what are you people going on about, exactly? Weren't we all questioning where the David Bentley money went? Aren't we even questioning right now where the Cruz money has gone and why we can only spend a modest portion of it? I mean Ince is voicing the same complaints we do season after season.

There have truly been some ridiculous comments in this thread directed against Ince because he is being honest.

[/b]

Really? Well we soon found one! And living just down the road too.

Allardyce came after all the problems were exposed and managed to fix some things due to his experience. Had he been appointed in the summer and then the top players walked out on him, it would be simply nuts to claim he wouldn't have struggled too. Not saying he couldn't have done better, as he obviously is the better manager, but this light and day "Fat Sam is the messiah while Ince is the worst thing to ever happen to the club!" mentality some here have adopted is absurd.

oh and one last note about our Chairman - JW never said anything bad about Ince, in fact he made it very clear the problem was not him but the circumstances that just didn't work out. But apparently some people here know more about the inner workings of the club than the people who run it.

[yoda]

I read that before and cannot find a word wrong with it.

I mean, what are you people going on about, exactly? Weren't we all questioning where the David Bentley money went? Aren't we even questioning right now where the Cruz money has gone and why we can only spend a modest portion of it? I mean Ince is voicing the same complaints we do season after season.

There have truly been some ridiculous comments in this thread directed against Ince because he is being honest.

Allardyce came after all the problems were exposed and managed to fix some things due to his experience. Had he been appointed in the summer and then the top players walked out on him, it would be simply nuts to claim he wouldn't have struggled too. Not saying he couldn't have done better, as he obviously is the better manager, but this light and day "Fat Sam is the messiah while Ince is the worst thing to ever happen to the club!" mentality some here have adopted is absurd.

oh and one last note about our Chairman - JW never said anything bad about Ince, in fact he made it very clear the problem was not him but the circumstances that just didn't work out. But apparently some people here know more about the inner workings of the club than the people who run it.

the money disappeared when JW saw the players Ince the no mark wanted to sign

[Ninjathunder]

I read that before and cannot find a word wrong with it.

Well there's a surprise. Is your name anything to do with what you consume before you give us the benefit of your expert knowledge?

"At least give me till after Christmas. It was harsh, it was a bit unfair, but I’ve got broad shoulders.” Did you go to any games under Ince??!!

[Amo]

"At least give me till after Christmas. It was harsh, it was a bit unfair, but I’ve got broad shoulders.” Did you go to any games under Ince??!!

Eh. Didn't Ince say 'judge me after x games' and we were still in the mire, so he started bitching about impatience and knee-jerk reactions. He really was out of his league.