[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[Montfort]

All said and done, Ince was employed to do a professional job and failed quite spectacularly. Had he accepted he was simply out of his depth and unprepared for PL management, I think the majority of us would be less vengeful.

Absolutely. And he should have appologised for the mess that he had got us into. 6 months on I still feel pretty anoyed I am afraid

[LeChuck]

He doesn't even need to be as bold to say he was out of his depth, just a subtle hint that he knows this would be enough, but he's just stubbornly and arrogantly refusing to take even a portion of the blame.

Even if he just said he'd learnt lessons to take into his next job or something, but he seems to genuinely believe everything he did was right and it was completely the boards fault he took a team from 7th to 19th in a few months.

[mark1875]

I read that before and cannot find a word wrong with it.

I mean, what are you people going on about, exactly? Weren't we all questioning where the David Bentley money went? Aren't we even questioning right now where the Cruz money has gone and why we can only spend a modest portion of it? I mean Ince is voicing the same complaints we do season after season.

There have truly been some ridiculous comments in this thread directed against Ince because he is being honest.

just incase you forgot i will refresh your memory!

half of it was paid to arsenal as part of the original agreement

and Paul Ince spent around 8m of the other half

[Kelbo]

I read that before and cannot find a word wrong with it.

I mean, what are you people going on about, exactly? Weren't we all questioning where the David Bentley money went? Aren't we even questioning right now where the Cruz money has gone and why we can only spend a modest portion of it? I mean Ince is voicing the same complaints we do season after season.

There have truly been some ridiculous comments in this thread directed against Ince because he is being honest.

Allardyce came after all the problems were exposed and managed to fix some things due to his experience. Had he been appointed in the summer and then the top players walked out on him, it would be simply nuts to claim he wouldn't have struggled too. Not saying he couldn't have done better, as he obviously is the better manager, but this light and day "Fat Sam is the messiah while Ince is the worst thing to ever happen to the club!" mentality some here have adopted is absurd.

oh and one last note about our Chairman - JW never said anything bad about Ince, in fact he made it very clear the problem was not him but the circumstances that just didn't work out. But apparently some people here know more about the inner workings of the club than the people who run it.

Absolute rubbish,

JW like any employer played down the situation and acted in a proper manner, to say Ince was bad etc, well the lawsuits would have been flying everywhere!!

In business, you are never allowed to give someone a bad reference, you either give them a reference or you decline to do so, that is a reality and fact.

As for the players walking, only Bentley went, I do not believe Friedel would have gone had Sam taken over and one of the reasons there was discontent at the club was farcical and arcaic training methods deployed by Ince and his second rate backroom staff and some of the stuff I heard last summer from some of the lads was farcical and as has been mentioned on here, Ince was close to dismissal before the season started after the debacle in Austria!!!

If you are a Rovers fan with any knowledge of football, you must have seen that Ince was not up to standard, most Rovers fans saw it, some earlier than others, yet still the guy refuses to take his share of the blame for any of the mess he put the club into!! You can bet your bottom dollar if he had won lots of games he would have claimed his input was invaluable!!

To end this I will say this, when you are leaking goals, surely the way forward is to prevent that and stop losing, how can a defence (Friedel excepted) which was so strong last year, suddenly become inept??

he is lucky to have another chance at management and still has not completed his badges!!!!!

[Ritchie]

!he is lucky to have another chance at management and still has not completed his badges!!!!!

The refusal to complete his badges is a slap in the face to those individuals who have taken their badges and are currently unemployed.

Ince is a thick gimp who nearly succeeded in sending our club into the abyss.

Fook him and his ego!

[bobsterbrfc]

I could certainly see Rovers taking a big following if we were to get MK Dons in one of the Cups!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I will never forget his first appearance as manager at Ewood against NAC Breda.Stood on the touchline like a little boy lost,most managers exude confidence,oh boy not this fella!.

Half way through the second half and the crowd finally acknowleged 'THE GUVNOR ' ........he looked so embarrassed and out of place as he gingerly raised his hand to the BBE it was simply embarrassing for the fans sat there.

[Amo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7768567.stm

Around the 0:08 is slightly amusing. One cock-up after another for our pal Incey.

[broadsword]

Didn't take him long to say "y'know" in that conference.

[Blue blood]

Best comment was the bloke at the end - I'd rather have Souness back, and that's saying something.

Interesting they found a few fans who didn't want him to go just then, even if it was before the liverpool and wigan games.

[Mr. E]

Absolute rubbish,

JW like any employer played down the situation and acted in a proper manner, to say Ince was bad etc, well the lawsuits would have been flying everywhere!!

In business, you are never allowed to give someone a bad reference, you either give them a reference or you decline to do so, that is a reality and fact.

As for the players walking, only Bentley went, I do not believe Friedel would have gone had Sam taken over and one of the reasons there was discontent at the club was farcical and arcaic training methods deployed by Ince and his second rate backroom staff and some of the stuff I heard last summer from some of the lads was farcical and as has been mentioned on here, Ince was close to dismissal before the season started after the debacle in Austria!!!

If you are a Rovers fan with any knowledge of football, you must have seen that Ince was not up to standard, most Rovers fans saw it, some earlier than others, yet still the guy refuses to take his share of the blame for any of the mess he put the club into!! You can bet your bottom dollar if he had won lots of games he would have claimed his input was invaluable!!

To end this I will say this, when you are leaking goals, surely the way forward is to prevent that and stop losing, how can a defence (Friedel excepted) which was so strong last year, suddenly become inept??

he is lucky to have another chance at management and still has not completed his badges!!!!!

JW could have said a million respectable things that still conveyed he thought Ince did an inadequate job, but he did not. The reason why JW sacked Ince was because we needed a desperate change or else we would have been relegated, which proved to be a good decision. Ince was inexperienced which brought our confidence down, but he was not the biggest reason for our position.

And you talk about business, well how in the world can you expect Ince to say "yes I'm a sh*t manager that almost relegated the club"? How is anyone going to hire him after that? He needs to at least pretend he knows what he's doing.

As for the defense: Friedel was the most important player in our team. That is one reason why it fell apart. Another is that Nelsen has not been the same after the injury, and as captain that brought a lot of the team spirit down.

I can not conceive of what torture methods you think Ince used to fundamentally change in a few weeks how these players perform out there, if you really believe it was all his fault.

[Ritchie]

JW could have said a million respectable things that still conveyed he thought Ince did an inadequate job, but he did not. The reason why JW sacked Ince was because we needed a desperate change or else we would have been relegated, which proved to be a good decision. Ince was inexperienced which brought our confidence down, but he was not the biggest reason for our position.

And you talk about business, well how in the world can you expect Ince to say "yes I'm a sh*t manager that almost relegated the club"? How is anyone going to hire him after that? He needs to at least pretend he knows what he's doing.

As for the defense: Friedel was the most important player in our team. That is one reason why it fell apart. Another is that Nelsen has not been the same after the injury, and as captain that brought a lot of the team spirit down.

I can not conceive of what torture methods you think Ince used to fundamentally change in a few weeks how these players perform out there, if you really believe it was all his fault.

Ince failed because he was/is a fookin idiot.

Get over it.

[thenodrog]

JW could have said a million respectable things that still conveyed he thought Ince did an inadequate job, but he did not. The reason why JW sacked Ince was because we needed a desperate change or else we would have been relegated, which proved to be a good decision. Ince was inexperienced which brought our confidence down, but he was not the biggest reason for our position.

And you talk about business, well how in the world can you expect Ince to say "yes I'm a sh*t manager that almost relegated the club"? How is anyone going to hire him after that? He needs to at least pretend he knows what he's doing.

As for the defense: Friedel was the most important player in our team. That is one reason why it fell apart. Another is that Nelsen has not been the same after the injury, and as captain that brought a lot of the team spirit down.

I can not conceive of what torture methods you think Ince used to fundamentally change in a few weeks how these players perform out there, if you really believe it was all his fault.

Eh? Hughes took us to within a whisker of a European place, Allardyce came in and despite having Hughes's better players playing elsewhere or injured instigated a spell of form which if extrapolated over the season would have seen us in a similar top 10 position. In between was an excuse for a manager, an intellectual derelict whose de-motivational presence saw us glean just 13 points from 17 matches! Over the season that would have put us in the 30 point bracket and relegated but imo the trend line from the Wigan match forward would have seen us struggle to pass the 20 point mark!

Ince's effect on our club was as plain as black and white yet you continue to try to defend him! Incredible.

[tcj_jones]

I definitely agree with the end of your post, Theno. Extrapolated across the season as a whole, we would have got c. 30 points. However, by the time Ince was sacked, the team had clearly lost faith in its manager, players were de-motivated, lacking in confidence, unfit and there was in-fighting. Players would have wanted out during the transfer window and Ince would not have been given funds to improve the squad. On the back of his last three games in charge, I reckon we'd have struggled to get to even 25 points and would have ended up at the bottom of the league come May.

[Kelbo]

JW could have said a million respectable things that still conveyed he thought Ince did an inadequate job, but he did not. The reason why JW sacked Ince was because we needed a desperate change or else we would have been relegated, which proved to be a good decision. Ince was inexperienced which brought our confidence down, but he was not the biggest reason for our position.

And you talk about business, well how in the world can you expect Ince to say "yes I'm a sh*t manager that almost relegated the club"? How is anyone going to hire him after that? He needs to at least pretend he knows what he's doing.

As for the defense: Friedel was the most important player in our team. That is one reason why it fell apart. Another is that Nelsen has not been the same after the injury, and as captain that brought a lot of the team spirit down.

I can not conceive of what torture methods you think Ince used to fundamentally change in a few weeks how these players perform out there, if you really believe it was all his fault.

Torture?? No torture, where have I mentioned torture??

Just poor management, ask the players, ask people involved in the club, totally inept and if you dont think it was down to Ince, then I am unable to educate you on the modern science and training methods which Hughes and every other premiership clubs deploy. And the guy was so full of himself, he didnt need his badges!!!

[Majiball]

Torture?? No torture, where have I mentioned torture??

Just poor management, ask the players, ask people involved in the club, totally inept and if you dont think it was down to Ince, then I am unable to educate you on the modern science and training methods which Hughes and every other premiership clubs deploy. And the guy was so full of himself, he didnt need his badges!!!

One thing that really got me about his badges was the "fast-track" statement, the FA claim not do it and show no bias towards ex-pro's. It's a disgrace to all of us who have worked bloody hard to pass our badges. 3 years from zero to pro, that would take me, over 4 and half years and about 15K, in spain it would take over 5 years. Then they said no-more after Ince and then let Zola in without his pro-licence?????

NO OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE DOES IT SO WHY DO WE????????????????????????

[47er]

Mr E---you are bonkers. In the face of all the evidence, you are the last defender Ince has. Pity he didn't sign you instead of Simpson.

[Barmy Armchair]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7768567.stm

Around the 0:08 is slightly amusing. One cock-up after another for our pal Incey.

The bloke at the end of that is class: "I'm gettin angry thinkin about it"

[greco]

sometimes some people just amaze me, with their ignorance and stupidity, and today its has happened twice, so thanks ru-paul ince and mr e.

ill just say, when it comes to ru-paul ince, im in total agreement with theno.

[blue phil]

Then they said no-more after Ince and then let Zola in without his pro-licence?????

NO OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE DOES IT SO WHY DO WE????????????????????????

Ince failed while Zola is proving to be a success .

I suspect badges and licences are less important than a little brain power . How did managers go on before the advent of "qualifications" ?

[Dunnfc]

One thing that really got me about his badges was the "fast-track" statement, the FA claim not do it and show no bias towards ex-pro's. It's a disgrace to all of us who have worked bloody hard to pass our badges. 3 years from zero to pro, that would take me, over 4 and half years and about 15K, in spain it would take over 5 years. Then they said no-more after Ince and then let Zola in without his pro-licence?????

NO OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE DOES IT SO WHY DO WE????????????????????????

Maji - You are one of my favorite posters on here, everything i read what you've written i tend to agree with.

But the point you raise about Zola it is valid but i don't agree with Zola was clever enough to draft in an experienced number 2, he's dedicated enough to do his badges, he will admit if hes wrong. Ince didn't do anything like Zola and that was his downfall.

The is one example of who Ince should follow and thats MARTINEZ - get your badges, surrond yourself with good experienced coaches, admit when your wrong.

[FourLaneBlue]

Ince failed while Zola is proving to be a success .

I suspect badges and licences are less important than a little brain power . How did managers go on before the advent of "qualifications" ?

I thought that Zola had some qualiifications from Italy but just not the Pro-B licence.

Whatever...the qualifications are not that important. However the fact that Ince deems himself above even attending the courses which many of his peers put in the work for is not something in his favour.

[broadsword]

In the end, the only good thing you can say about Ince is that he eventually left before he could inflict any more damage.

For as long as I live whenever his name is mentioned I will give out an involuntary fart.

[blue phil]

I think that should be the last word on this subject , Bryan ......

[greco]

Maji - You are one of my favorite posters on here, everything i read what you've written i tend to agree with.

But the point you raise about Zola it is valid but i don't agree with Zola was clever enough to draft in an experienced number 2, he's dedicated enough to do his badges, he will admit if hes wrong. Ince didn't do anything like Zola and that was his downfall.

The is one example of who Ince should follow and thats MARTINEZ - get your badges, surrond yourself with good experienced coaches, admit when your wrong.

what it all comes down to, is doing whats required, which is your badges. Let me compare to my home country denmark.

Recently we had a debate regarding my hometown team Aab, our temporary manager didnt have his badges. After he took over the managerial position, he went unbeaten for aprox 18 games, which included a win at home over celtic and a draw against united away, in the champions league. Even with a PROVEN track record and being highly praised by the media and of course us fans, our football association publicly stated, that he was not eligible as a manager, because A: he didnt have his badges and B: wasnt listed as a student for the next course.

the association had a rule change, which stated that from 1.1.2009 every manager in the superliga, was required to have the highest badge available in denmark or being listet as a participant at the next course. He was promoted from assistent in the fall of 08, so aabs timeframe was really hard pressed, and the club could give numerous of excellent reasons as to why, he should be able to continue and by english standards im quite sure he would have stayed on.

he did really well and i sincerely hoped the would allow him to continue, but i understand their veto. Because then the next time and next time and next time, it would be easier to just allow managers to work without badges.

there is just no way of reasoning behind, letting totally inexperienced managers, take charge in a league where experience and know-how is a needed commodity.

im not saying it cant work, but it seems that in general, the leap from player to manager, is much bigger then the players expect. Abd the succes rate in is quite low.

i wholeheartedly agree with majball.