JAL Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Henk Ten cate! When this guys CV was put out in the summer i'd never heard of him but you couldnt argue with his experience it was an extremely interesting one put him in with say Avram Grant and if his detailed knowlegde of modern techiques standup they could both be a usueful partnership to take Rovers forward into the future.
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LDRover Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Got to be BFS really, not sure Grant and Curbishley have got the personality to 'will' us away from the relegation zone and Souey WAS great but lost it big time in the latter months in his last stint. Mancini, Houllier, Advocaat, Laudrup and Ten Cate would have been ideal in the summer, I think their time has gone now unfortunately. I also firmly believe that George Graham would keep us up, wouldn't be pretty mind you.
TugaysMarlboro Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I know i'm dreaming here, but anything re: Roberto Mancini?
Majiball Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Advocaat has just signed a new contract with Zenit, who I'd imagine are paying him big wages and aside from wondering if he'd want to come, we'd have to pay a lot in compo. Terim isn't a bad shout, but we want someone in right now who has managed in this league before and done well. Sam worked wonders at Bolton, didnt do bad at all at Newcastle either. Forget about the quality of the football now - its a side issue. Besides, Bolton weren't that bad to watch really and we were hardly exponents of the beautiful game under Hughes... Did he? I've missed that then. By saying he has to have managed in our league we eliminate too much talent. Not one of the names interests me, nor fills me with hope. I believe he should have the right skills/experience before what leagues he's managed in are considered. I have too many question marks about Sam, and they are not based on style. He has never been in our situation, he has never done what we are asking him to do. I wonder how much of Bolton's success was done to Sam or the 21 other people working with the first team. His time at Newcastle was not good, he tried to get them to play like Bolton, he is a one trick pony IE one system. Whilst its an effective system its one he had the chance to mould, he does not have that with us. We need someone to come in and make it work with what we have, our players do not suit Sam's style. His set-up for success at bolton cannot be re-created at Rovers. Bolton's main threat was set-pieces a strong backbone of their success, that takes time longer than we have to get down like they had. I also worry how all fans, will react. As lots have said we cannot be divided over the new man. Thats also why I'm hoping it won't be him. I also remember Sam was the early favourite for Sunderland and West Ham. Neither did nor would seem to be taking him on. Why? there more to his story than there semms me thinks. Call it my gut. Whoever it is he'll have my full support provided we are moving in the right direction. However in the eventuality it is Sam I reserve the right to one rant after its announced.
47er Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I dont see why Sam has to necessarily be short-term, personally. I agree. I'd have thought Sam would be a long-term appointment personally (providing he succeeded!)
Backroom Tom Posted December 16, 2008 Backroom Posted December 16, 2008 I think your short list sounds about right. My worry is that they go for someone who may prefer Sunderland more and you end up looking stupid. I think its safe to say looking stupid should be the least of our worries now!
nicko Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I think its safe to say looking stupid should be the least of our worries now! If you go for Sam or Grant you run the risk of being used... Just a feeling. You need to be sure the guy you want is genuine. In Sam's case he was unhappy about missing out last time and has a 'lively' agent. Grant is also tricky. I hope this goes smoothly...but I am not counting on it.
DeadlyDirk Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I honestly don't want Sam bloody Allardyce, he has publicly came out and said he is interested in the Sunderland job, he links himself with other clubs when the job comes up but I don't see him being desperate to join us. We should be appointing someone who can keep us up and someone who genuinely wants to manage us, Allardyce would only be interested in improving his reputation and moving on in my opinion. He clearly would rather manage Sunderland, I know sometimes other managers are not available so you have to go for the second choice but I don't think that should work the other way around as well. George Graham isn't the worst shout in the world if we wanted someone to build from the back and keep it tight, at least as a short term solution. He's been out of football a fair while now though. Personally I would love Bilic, although lack of managerial premiership experience would be a worry, I feel the safest bet is still Souness, if it's true he hasn't been contacted then I find it a little odd.
RibbleValleyRover Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I'm glad it’s not me making the decision that’s for sure! This is probably one of the biggest decisions we have had to make in the history of our club, certainly in recent times. We have to appoint the right man for the right job otherwise we go down and possibly never come back up.
philipl Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Times- Allardyce is favourite but neither he nor Souness appear to have spoken with Rovers
RibbleValleyRover Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Times- Allardyce is favourite but neither he nor Souness appear to have spoken with Rovers If true then we could be looking at a surprise candidate. Didn't Williams say we have made some progress today on the search for a new manager?
Backroom Tom Posted December 16, 2008 Backroom Posted December 16, 2008 If you go for Sam or Grant you run the risk of being used... Just a feeling. You need to be sure the guy you want is genuine. In Sam's case he was unhappy about missing out last time and has a 'lively' agent. Grant is also tricky. I hope this goes smoothly...but I am not counting on it. Nicko no worries if you don't want to say but genuinely knowing what you know who would YOU go for? Ok now after OC who would you go for?
Baz Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Mods - how about a separate betting thread ? 20 odd pages on this thread and an awful lot about betting - would make the reading a little easier on those of us who cant be on-line all day.
nicko Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Nicko no worries if you don't want to say but genuinely knowing what you know who would YOU go for? Ok now after OC who would you go for? I would go for Owen because he is the best young manager in Britain and the known universe. But I am totally biased. Burney's gain is still your loss...because I fear the club won't have the stones to go for him by the weekend.
TugaysMarlboro Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I really don't know who I want. My head says someone safe (ala BFS.) My heart says, lets get Mancini. I feel as though we'll get neither.
sandstorm Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 We should be appointing someone who can keep us up and someone who genuinely wants to manage us, Allardyce would only be interested in improving his reputation and moving on in my opinion. I dont get it. Why shouldnt Sam be gennuinely if he get the Rovers job? For me he seems bloody desperate the get back into management, and prove that he still is a good manager after what happened at Newcastle. And I cant really see that he would be very attractive for "bigger" clubs if he do well.
Paul Mellelieu Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I would go for Owen because he is the best young manager in Britain and the known universe. But I am totally biased. Burney's gain is still your loss...because I fear the club won't have the stones to go for him by the weekend. He won't be at Burnley too long if your assessment is accurate. As in the summer it's BFS, on points, for me.
DeadlyDirk Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I dont get it. Why shouldnt Sam be gennuinely if he get the Rovers job? For me he seems bloody desperate the get back into management, and prove that he still is a good manager after what happened at Newcastle. And I cant really see that he would be very attractive for "bigger" clubs if he do well. Exactly, he is desperate to get back into management, just not with us by the looks of it, he heavily gets linked with every club that comes up and is even vocal himself about some of them, especially the Sunderland one, I don't see him issuing any comments such as 'he would love to have a chance to talk to Blackburn' He would only take the Blackburn job if Sunderland turn him down and that's not good enough for me, I'd rather have Steve Van Mclaren!!!
sambo Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 To be honest I doubt Paul Ince felt any personal preference to us in the summer...they simply want to work, and oviously if they take charge they SHOULD (and Sam would) put their heart and soul into it!
tony gale's mic Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Exactly, he is desperate to get back into management, just not with us by the looks of it, he heavily gets linked with every club that comes up and is even vocal himself about some of them, especially the Sunderland one, I don't see him issuing any comments such as 'he would love to have a chance to talk to Blackburn' He would only take the Blackburn job if Sunderland turn him down and that's not good enough for me, I'd rather have Steve Van Mclaren!!! Why isn't that good enough for you? We're only thinking of him cos the last guy wasn't good enough. It works both ways. If you were him you'd prefer Sunderland: better Premier League position, much bigger transfer budget, much more fans and probably a bigger wage too. Whoever he joins he's going to put maximum effort into because above all else he wants to be a successful manager again.
pksrover Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 He won't be at Burnley too long if your assessment is accurate. As in the summer it's BFS, on points, for me. Paul, I thought me and you agreed in the opinion of BFS on our travels to/from Ewood last season and the season before? I won't see a Rovers game if he is given the job. I got a flyer from Rovers through the post today about half season ticket, I tell you they won't sell many this year!
tony gale's mic Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 I won't see a Rovers game if he is given the job. To be honest, I think that's a truly sad indictment on whichever fans do this.
Paul Mellelieu Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Paul, I thought me and you agreed in the opinion of BFS on our travels to/from Ewood last season and the season before? I won't see a Rovers game if he is given the job. I got a flyer from Rovers through the post today about half season ticket, I tell you they won't sell many this year! Hi Paal, Drastic times demand drastic measures I'm afraid, and none of the alternatives are much better. BFS has managed at lower levels too, something that will probably some in handy next season. You should come on Saturday and give the team a shout. Paul
philipl Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 The Telegraph which sort of has the grace to acknowledge they called the sacking wrongly yesterday have Souness and Allardyce as favourites, mention Coyle and Jones but say that Curbishley is not interested.
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