[Archived] Who Should The New Manager Be?

[neekoy]

I don't understand all this talk of getting BFS instead of someone like Mancini or Schuster because of supposed "risk".

It doesn't matter who you select it is going to be a job getting us up and out of the ######.

Mancini and Schuster are better managers then BFS and if people think BFS handles primadonna's and will sort out the lads, go and scroll through the player lists of Inter and Madrid.

Risk is inherrant in any decision but those two are surely less of a risk then the gamble with Ince, and both are Managers who could take this club places again.

And adding to above, although they are a large club Lazio were crippled with debt when Mancini was there and I think he got them into a CL and and Italian Cup.

[philipl]

I don't understand all this talk of getting BFS instead of someone like Mancini or Schuster because of supposed "risk".

It doesn't matter who you select it is going to be a job getting us up and out of the ######.

Mancini and Schuster are better managers then BFS and if people think BFS handles primadonna's and will sort out the lads, go and scroll through the player lists of Inter and Madrid.

Risk is inherrant in any decision but those two are surely less of a risk then the gamble with Ince, and both are Managers who could take this club places again.

And adding to above, although they are a large club Lazio were crippled with debt when Mancini was there and I think he got them into a CL and and Italian Cup.

I completely agree neekoy.

If Mancini is an option, we have to go for it.

[tony gale's mic]

I don't understand all this talk of getting BFS instead of someone like Mancini or Schuster because of supposed "risk".

It doesn't matter who you select it is going to be a job getting us up and out of the ######.

Mancini and Schuster are better managers then BFS and if people think BFS handles primadonna's and will sort out the lads, go and scroll through the player lists of Inter and Madrid.

Risk is inherrant in any decision but those two are surely less of a risk then the gamble with Ince, and both are Managers who could take this club places again.

And adding to above, although they are a large club Lazio were crippled with debt when Mancini was there and I think he got them into a CL and and Italian Cup.

They're not realistic options.

Also, Mancini's record at Fiorentina was almost as bad as Ince's at Rovers. What would BFS have done with a squad like Inter's? Sure he may have flopped but Mancini has had a significant failure too.

[Paul]

This is an interesting thread

[den]

The plus point for me with big Sam, is that if we go down, he's the best man on that list to get us back up again. That has to be a massive consideration for the board.

[Bobby G]

den, I definitely agree. I think the club as a structure, and an entity will be best off in the hands of Big Sam, not just for what happens on the pitch.

[philipl]

They're not realistic options.

Also, Mancini's record at Fiorentina was almost as bad as Ince's at Rovers. What would BFS have done with a squad like Inter's? Sure he may have flopped but Mancini has had a significant failure too.

Team Nat From To Record

G W L D Win %

Fiorentina July 1, 2001 January 11, 2002 27 6 16 5 22.22

Internazionale July 1, 2004 May 29, 2008 227 140 26 61 61.67

Fiorentina was a long time ago.

They are realistic options if the board want them to be.

[broadsword]

How about The Great Suprendo?

[Hughesy]

Manchini, Schuster etc will probably want a bigger part to play in the pantomine that is the premier league so I dont think we could get them anyway.

Also neither have any premier experience. Ince had worked wonders in other leagues, but wasnt cut for the prem. Plenty of big European names have been and tried and failed, so why would these two be any different?

Big sam is the more likely to save us, and has massive premier league experience and has bags of experience of fighting relegation too which may prove key. Big Sam all the way for me.

[neekoy]

They're not realistic options.

Also, Mancini's record at Fiorentina was almost as bad as Ince's at Rovers. What would BFS have done with a squad like Inter's? Sure he may have flopped but Mancini has had a significant failure too.

Why not? They are certainly interested at coaching in England?

You can't compare Mancini to BFS, even as bad as his run was a Fiorentina he still managed to win the Coppa Italia! AND Fiorentina was in that much debt, crippling debt that he used to pull on the boots and help out because of the problems with player payments.

BFS at Inter? You are having a laugh, Zaccheroni, Cuper, Lippi and Trappatoni couldn't do what Mancini did.

In my books if he is good enough for Chelski to have a look then he is certainly good enough for Rovers to cort.

[Bobby G]

Lets get something STRAIGHT about Mancini at Inter. For 15 years, Inter had failed with every single manager and a history of being the biggest spenders in Italy. When was Mancini successful? When Juve were crippled, and Milan set back, meaning penniless Roma were the only challengers for the Scudetto! In one off matches, Roma got the better of them quite often too...

This is the first real season that the other teams have strengthened a little to push Inter and its much closer than previously.

Im not saying he isnt a good coach, which he definitely is, but I wouldve taken him in June and given him time then to buy and change. Now, when we are effectively 6 points down, with limited games to come, and no time to settle, its too much of a gamble!

[neekoy]

Ince had worked wonders in other leagues, but wasnt cut for the prem.

So now you are comparing Serie A and the Premiera Liga and the Champions League to MK Dons. RIIIGGGHHHTTT!!

Hey guess what plenty of supposed big name Englishman have tried as well and failed miserably, probably more so then the big name Johnny Foreigners.

In fact I would challenge you to give me a BIG NAME foreign coach in the last ten years who has "failed" in the PL?

[Hughesy]

if he is good enough for Chelski to have a look then he is certainly good enough for Rovers to cort.

Maybe if our position in the league was abit more safe then he would get a chance...however It would still be a massive risk in our current predicament.

In fact I would challenge you to give me a BIG NAME foreign coach in the last ten years who has "failed" in the PL?

Houllier? Ranieri?

[neekoy]

Lets get something STRAIGHT about Mancini at Inter. For 15 years, Inter had failed with every single manager and a history of being the biggest spenders in Italy. When was Mancini successful? When Juve were crippled, and Milan set back, meaning penniless Roma were the only challengers for the Scudetto! In one off matches, Roma got the better of them quite often too...

This is the first real season that the other teams have strengthened a little to push Inter and its much closer than previously.

Im not saying he isnt a good coach, which he definitely is, but I wouldve taken him in June and given him time then to buy and change. Now, when we are effectively 6 points down, with limited games to come, and no time to settle, its too much of a gamble!

So how do you explain his successes at two financially crippled Serie A clubs?

Add that it is actually longer then 15 years, he is the most succesful coach for 30 years, in ALL competitions.

[thenodrog]

I don't understand all this talk of getting BFS instead of someone like Mancini or Schuster because of supposed "risk".

It doesn't matter who you select it is going to be a job getting us up and out of the ######.

Mancini and Schuster are better managers then BFS and if people think BFS handles primadonna's and will sort out the lads, go and scroll through the player lists of Inter and Madrid.

How would those two cope in the 2nd Div neekoy? btw the correct answer is that they wouldn't!

imo Allardyce is our best option of staying up by far cos most of the others simply will not have enough in their locker to keep us up given the constraints of our limited budget. Also if we go down and that is prob 55:45 in favour of at this moment in time then Allardyce is still best qualified to bring us back. Souness did it with a damned good squad of players whilst allardyce did it with far less quality of squad.

[gillibrand]

This is an interesting thread

I hope the the so called fans who voted no have apologised to the Rovers and Big Sam!

[neekoy]

Maybe if our position in the league was abit more safe then he would get a chance...however It would still be a massive risk in our current predicament.

Houllier? Ranieri?

Houllier and Ranieri failed? I would take those supposed failures and cups any day of the week.

I will give you just about every Tottenham foreign manager, but you know, it's Spurs...

and what is our predicament? OK we get BFS he saves us from relegation and we finish 15th, great. Um what do we do next year guys? Look forward to 11th?

[Guest Kamy100]

Mancini would do great for Rovers, he is proven manager who managed the circus that Inter are and more importantly gave them success. When he was at Fiorentina they were massively in debt, sold their better players and yet he still won the Coppa Italia. He also speaks perfect English.

However, Rovers are well on the way to appointing the new manager, it does seem that a lot of homework has been done prior to sacking Ince and after reading Souey's comments for me the man they are after and are going to appoint is Sam Allerdyce, the only way I cannot see this happening is if suddenly Sunderland go after him and that seems unlikely at this stage.

Is he the right man? Well he'll make us hard to beat and should with the quality of player at his disposal get us out of relegation, I suspect he will also be given some sort of tranfer budget. My concern is that the football will be one dimensional, but then again maybe that is the price we have to pay to sustain long term Premier League status.

[den]

imo Allardyce is our best option of staying up by far cos most of the others simply will not have enough in their locker to keep us up given the constraints of our limited budget. Also if we go down and that is prob 55:45 in favour of at this moment in time then Allardyce is still best qualified to bring us back.

You've been reading my post haven't you?

[gillibrand]

Why not? They are certainly interested at coaching in England?

You can't compare Mancini to BFS, even as bad as his run was a Fiorentina he still managed to win the Coppa Italia! AND Fiorentina was in that much debt, crippling debt that he used to pull on the boots and help out because of the problems with player payments.

BFS at Inter? You are having a laugh, Zaccheroni, Cuper, Lippi and Trappatoni couldn't do what Mancini did.

In my books if he is good enough for Chelski to have a look then he is certainly good enough for Rovers to cort.

Are you a Dingle?

[thenodrog]

The plus point for me with big Sam, is that if we go down, he's the best man on that list to get us back up again. That has to be a massive consideration for the board.

You and I are singing from the same hymnsheet.

[Bobby G]

Kamy, we are going overboard with this boring Sam football I think.

I want results. I want success. I dont want 2 minutes of "pretty" football if it doesnt get the job done.

Hughes did it the same way. Very tactical in his approach...

[philipl]

Agree with your analysis Kamy.

This is the LT article by the way.

Almost more significant than Souey ruling himself out is the juxtaposition of JW saying he knows who he wants with the discassion of Allardyce.

[dellinsert]

In fact I would challenge you to give me a BIG NAME foreign coach in the last ten years who has "failed" in the PL?

How many BIG NAME foreign managers have been a success in the PL with our resources?

[neekoy]

Are you a Dingle?

I don't get it?

Why would I be a Dingle? Just because I think Mancini is good enough to make us a regular top six contender and BFS will keep us in the PL?