[Archived] Big Fat Sam's Shopping List

[Mozzer]

when does the window open to start buying players??

[EwoodGlory]

July 1st, but you can do the deals before then.

[Guest benmaxwell]

Sam has spoken again. He expects to only replace the players we lose, but does not want to be replacing them with squad players. He wants to push the players we already have by bringing in the best quality possible. He "expects a similar number to arrive then has departed", so Tugay, Andre Ooijer, Aaron Mokoena, Danny Simpson and Carlos Villanueva. With Roque and Derbs possibly leaving. So if that happens, we can expect 5-7 players arriving during the summer...

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport...ackburn_Rovers/

[Billy Castell]

It's not good you being such a tease Nicko. I want to know, but of course don't want it to be shipwrecked by leaks. You should get your picture on the Facebook thread.

[LeChuck]

Sam has spoken again. He expects to only replace the players we lose, but does not want to be replacing them with squad players. He wants to push the players we already have by bringing in the best quality possible. He "expects a similar number to arrive then has departed", so Tugay, Andre Ooijer, Aaron Mokoena, Danny Simpson and Carlos Villanueva. With Roque and Derbs possibly leaving. So if that happens, we can expect 5-7 players arriving during the summer...

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport...ackburn_Rovers/

Even though I was strongly for appointing Sam after Ince left (I must admit he wasn't my first choice in the summer), I still didn't think I'd end up liking him this much. He's saying all the right things at the moment, and it seems to have genuine conviction rather than being just a pleasant soundbite. I haven't looked forward to a summer transfer window so much in a long time, it's going to be really interesting to see who he brings in.

Even the bit at the end about season tickets makes perfect sense - if having a strong home support can help us move just one place up the table then it's been more than worth it financially. I wonder how much Stoke's home support has been worth this season?

All we need now is for Roque to p**s off so Sam can get spending!

[Inta Beaver]

Even though I was strongly for appointing Sam after Ince left (I must admit he wasn't my first choice in the summer), I still didn't think I'd end up liking him this much. He's saying all the right things at the moment, and it seems to have genuine conviction rather than being just a pleasant soundbite. I haven't looked forward to a summer transfer window so much in a long time, it's going to be really interesting to see who he brings in.

Even the bit at the end about season tickets makes perfect sense - if having a strong home support can help us move just one place up the table then it's been more than worth it financially. I wonder how much Stoke's home support has been worth this season?

All we need now is for Roque to p**s off so Sam can get spending!

If city come in with a bid for Roque let's hope its done early and not before the deadline like the Xmas window!

[patrickvalery]

If city come in with a bid for Roque let's hope its done early and not before the deadline like the Xmas window!

Can't see them being that considerate. That has become such an integral part of this mess which is the transfer window. Leaving any business to the dying minutes simply means the selling club has its trousers pulled down twice. Loose your best player and have no time to replace him. The whole thing is a joke. The only way we can deal with it is how we have done. Namely if no bid comes in by x date he stays. Unfortunately our entire transfer budget hinges on this sale. And even more worrying is Hughes knows that better than anyone else.

[Guest benmaxwell]

I think it is as is said above. Any bidding club knows or should know that we need time to replace Roque should a bid be made. So we should put down a deadline of say the 25th of june? for potential buyers...

[Hi Mack]

I think it is as is said above. Any bidding club knows or should know that we need time to replace Roque should a bid be made. So we should put down a deadline of say the 25th of june? for potential buyers...

2 problems...............The window opens on July 1st.!

If someone offers 18 million we have to sell due to his contract!

So a 18 million pound bid in the last minute of deadline day has to be accepted!

[Guest benmaxwell]

2 problems...............The window opens on July 1st.!

If someone offers 18 million we have to sell due to his contract!

So a 18 million pound bid in the last minute of deadline day has to be accepted!

Then it would be best to have the deals already made in principle with the players in question ready for their medicals (if not already done their medicals) and the contracts written up ready to be signed...

[Hi Mack]

Then it would be best to have the deals already made in principle with the players in question ready for their medicals (if not already done their medicals) and the contracts written up ready to be signed...

Its up to the buyers when they put a bid in for RSC they might leave it until the last minute knowing we cant replace him thus meaning we will be at a disadvantage to them at the start of the season......Minimum release clauses are always risky business!

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Realistically we are looking at accepting a bid of around 10m or so early on, or having Roque's clause activated on deadline day. So we are screwed either way really.

[Guest benmaxwell]

Realistically we are looking at accepting a bid of around 10m or so early on, or having Roque's clause activated on deadline day. So we are screwed either way really.

I think the minimum amount the club would be willing to accept at this early stage is £15m-£16m... Their is no way in hell we'd accept anything below £12million...

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I doubt anyone will offer anything like 15m. Somebody like City will just wait until it's too late for us to replace him and then break the clause.

[patrickvalery]

I think it is as is said above. Any bidding club knows or should know that we need time to replace Roque should a bid be made. So we should put down a deadline of say the 25th of june? for potential buyers...

Of course they know this. But they aren't in a charitable kind of business. They don't want us to find a replacement in time. And as Hi Mack says the problem is they know the figure needed to trigger the clause. Which then opens a new can of worms. Assuming City want him and they are willing to go to the 18m. They have the distinct advantage of knowing we need time to sign someone else. We aren't in a position to pay for someone else and hope RSC is sold to recoup the money. We need to sell first. So the buying club (lets say City) may well start the biodding at say 12m and slowly increase as the deadline gets closer. So in reality he Sam and Williams probably know a figure they will accept. This may not be the 18m we all hope for. If the bidding increases to around 15m for arguments sake, this is of more value to us than waiting for the 18m and having no time to replace him.

It would be fantastic if we could have everything lined up pre-transfer window. The monies are exchanged and players move on the 1st day of the window. But like i said, the window has created an opportunity for rich clubs to win twice. They can get the players they want and know that whoever they are buying from is hurt twice. Although i cannot think of any specific example off the top of my head, it seems it is as beneficial now for the 'bigger' clubs to sign 'smaller' clubs top talent as a means of disabling them rather than necessarily strenghtening their own side.

Realistically we are looking at accepting a bid of around 10m or so early on, or having Roque's clause activated on deadline day. So we are screwed either way really.

Or as he said. With considerably less waffle than me.

[Iceman]

2 problems...............The window opens on July 1st.!

If someone offers 18 million we have to sell due to his contract!

So a 18 million pound bid in the last minute of deadline day has to be accepted!

Beat me to it Mack. If City or any other club want to put us at a disadvantage for the new season, then they will wait till deadline day to activate that clause. However having Sam in charge, im pretty much sure that he has already thought of that. We do tend to dig a hole for ourselves, when signing top strikers or talented players with all these clauses.

[Guest benmaxwell]

Blimey! Longest article i have ever read about our transfer activity. If anyone wants a long read tonight check it out...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/200...15875-21378943/

As i said before though. Sam has said that he wants to replace who we lose player to player. So if 5 departs, 5 come... if 6 depart 6 come... etc...

[Iceman]

Even though I was strongly for appointing Sam after Ince left (I must admit he wasn't my first choice in the summer), I still didn't think I'd end up liking him this much. He's saying all the right things at the moment, and it seems to have genuine conviction rather than being just a pleasant soundbite. I haven't looked forward to a summer transfer window so much in a long time, it's going to be really interesting to see who he brings in.

Even the bit at the end about season tickets makes perfect sense - if having a strong home support can help us move just one place up the table then it's been more than worth it financially. I wonder how much Stoke's home support has been worth this season?

All we need now is for Roque to p**s off so Sam can get spending!

Its really about experience LeChuck, and Sam knowing whats needed to run a club our size on limited funds. He knows this league, he knows the players and he understands the ins and outs of running a professional club

[Stuart]

Blimey! Longest article i have ever read about our transfer activity. If anyone wants a long read tonight check it out...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/200...15875-21378943/

As i said before though. Sam has said that he wants to replace who we lose player to player. So if 5 departs, 5 come... if 6 depart 6 come... etc...

Wow, I gave up before I got half way. Fair enough the attention to detail is commendable but that's ridiculous!

[mick]

the other side of that coin is that if city or any other club leave it to the last minute to sign a player who they think is critical to their season, and, rovers say "no", then advantage rovers. we are discussing a quality player who has led the line well when he has been fit and even when injured. i'd be happy to see him stay and prove himself again worthy of last year's pricetag. sam is quite savvy and will turn this whole scenerio to favour himself and brfc. he wants to achieve and that can only be good for rovers. looking forward to the off season.

[patrickvalery]

the other side of that coin is that if city or any other club leave it to the last minute to sign a player who they think is critical to their season, and, rovers say "no", then advantage rovers. we are discussing a quality player who has led the line well when he has been fit and even when injured. i'd be happy to see him stay and prove himself again worthy of last year's pricetag. sam is quite savvy and will turn this whole scenerio to favour himself and brfc. he wants to achieve and that can only be good for rovers. looking forward to the off season.

Would you still be of the same opinion if keeping him meant we may, at best, be able to sign 1 maybe 2 players? Given one of those looks certain to be Givet, that would leave pittance to bolster what has to be one of the worst midfields in the country.

[Iceman]

the other side of that coin is that if city or any other club leave it to the last minute to sign a player who they think is critical to their season, and, rovers say "no", then advantage rovers. we are discussing a quality player who has led the line well when he has been fit and even when injured. i'd be happy to see him stay and prove himself again worthy of last year's pricetag. sam is quite savvy and will turn this whole scenerio to favour himself and brfc. he wants to achieve and that can only be good for rovers. looking forward to the off season.

We cant say no though. If they meet the release clause, its bye bye Roque lesulk

[thenodrog]

the other side of that coin is that if city or any other club leave it to the last minute to sign a player who they think is critical to their season, and, rovers say "no", then advantage rovers. we are discussing a quality player who has led the line well when he has been fit and even when injured. i'd be happy to see him stay and prove himself again worthy of last year's pricetag. sam is quite savvy and will turn this whole scenerio to favour himself and brfc. he wants to achieve and that can only be good for rovers. looking forward to the off season.

Off season?

Just a hunch but I rather think SA is a natural poker player.

[mick]

i don't claim to be as well informed as others on this mb however it would seem to me that not so long ago many would have preferred to see rsc stay. i also believe that rovers will sign 5-6 new players, either through loan deals or permanent signings. sa has set out his stall and done what he said he would. if jw and the board do not support him with a decent transfer chest, say 10-15 million, then they must be prepared to reap what they sow. they must also face the fact that they could stand to lose one of the most capable managers in the pl if they do not support him. i honestly believe that he will be given the financial support. included in the money will be funds raised from transfers of derbs, gallacher,grella, andrews, reid and dunn...potentially 5million...so i do not believe that it is that far fetched.

[T4E]

Realistically we are looking at accepting a bid of around 10m or so early on, or having Roque's clause activated on deadline day. So we are screwed either way really.

If we're lucky enough to get a bid in double figure millions for him at any point in the window, let alone early on, then we should snap their hands off. Particularly if its City and cash upfront. Sam could do a lot with that.