[Archived] Big Fat Sam's Shopping List

[T4E]

If we could sell Warnock for £7 million then yeah, I guess so. I was working on the assumption that Warnock would stay...we'd have to sign another player capable of playing left back if Warnock did move on, unless Sam things Olsson is up to the job, but there's no indication of that so far.

I just think we'd be stronger with a back four of Emerton Samba Nelsen Warnock and a new £4 million central midfielder than any combination of back four including Givet but no new midfielder.

I'm not saying it's a bad move yet, if Sam finds a way of adequately filling the gaps elsewhere then I'll no complaints at all as Givet is a very good player.

I'd actually rather sign Givet and Seitaridis, keep Warnock and move Emerton to centre mid. I think that makes us far stronger for only £4m outlay, if Emerton gets a run in centre mid I am certain he will do a tremendous job.

Nicko seems to think Givet in Warnock out is a done deal. As long as we come out of that with a £2m+ net profit I'm happy with it.

[RevidgeBlue]

Darren Bent + Cash for Roque?? Bent + £7m would be great business please......

SNAP their hands off!! Get it done today, get rid of that money grabbing tw@t and get our transfer kitty sorted.

Hughesey god bless ya, but you really do live on fantasy island sometimes.

If there was any mileage in an RSC/Bent deal it'd be as a straight swap I would think.

As for Givet, Givet in = good.

Givet in, Warnock out = bad no matter how much nicko might try to persuade people otherwise.

Nicko seems to think Givet in Warnock out is a done deal. As long as we come out of that with a £2m+ net profit I'm happy with it.

Didn't say that at all did he?

Didn't he say "Warnock depends on the right offer coming in?"

[OJRovers]

We should be holding on to Warnock - don't want to be selling our best players unless we have to.

He does twice as much work as most others in the team - would be a massive loss.

People need to remember that selling Warnock for £7m doesn't mean that Sam can go out and spend it...lest we forget Bentley, Duff, etc

[Hughesy]

Hughesey god bless ya, but you really do live on fantasy island sometimes.

If there was any mileage in an RSC/Bent deal it'd be as a straight swap I would think.

Im pretty sure Spurs want rid, and in Jan they were only looking at the £8-10m mark - cant see us somehow swapping a player who we had a bid of double that for can you?!?

[MarkBRFC]

Im pretty sure Spurs want rid, and in Jan they were only looking at the £8-10m mark - cant see us somehow swapping a player who we had a bid of double that for can you?!?

That might be the best we can get for Santa now, no way are spurs gonna give us 7m + Bent for Roque.

[RevidgeBlue]

Im pretty sure Spurs want rid, and in Jan they were only looking at the £8-10m mark - cant see us somehow swapping a player who we had a bid of double that for can you?!?

Conversely, they'll be looking at it as if they paid 16m for him and we paid 3.5 for RSC.

Plus, Roque's long term fitness obviously is now an issue.

Unsure about this one, I'd say a fit Roque is better than a fit Bent but obviously a fit Bent is better than a permanently injured Roque.

[T4E]

Didn't say that at all did he?

Didn't he say "Warnock depends on the right offer coming in?"

Here's the post I was referring to -

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=754032

[RevidgeBlue]

Here's the post I was referring to -

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=754032

Ok, I disagree with just about everything nicko says in that post about it being a sensible move including Givet looking better at LB. I think he looks a lot better at centre back.

[RibbleValleyRover]

In a way - I agree with the idea of Givet rather than Warnock - See if you agree with me.....

Maybe Sams plan with the back 4 is that we are too attacking as a defensive unit with both Emerton & Warnock in (which i agree with 100%).

So therefore the plan is Emerton - Samba - Nelsen - Givet. With only Emerton bombing forward and supporting Diouf. Also if we have a solid left back who doesnt attack, we give Pedersen more freedom to get forward and get back to the player he was 3 seasons ago!?! If we can make a decent profit from the Warnock out - Givet in deal then I say lets do it!!

I don't agree with you.

If that is Sam's plan, i.e. using the right flank of Emerton/Diouf as the only focal point of our attack then its going to be easy to shut down. Theres nothing to suggest giving Pedersen more of an attacking role will suddenly get the best out of him, he has played with Givet behind him allowing him to backtrack less and it hasn't made any difference. I have no confidence in him whatsoever, the player needs to move on.

Its a complete disgrace that we have to sell Warnock to bring in Givet and if Warnock goes we are going to have to spend more of our already limited budget on bringing in another left back, especially if Sam doesn't rate Olsson.

[LeChuck]

I'd actually rather sign Givet and Seitaridis, keep Warnock and move Emerton to centre mid. I think that makes us far stronger for only £4m outlay, if Emerton gets a run in centre mid I am certain he will do a tremendous job.

Couldn't agree with that more if I'm honest. Andrews has shown he's not a terrible option at right back if both Seitaridis and Emerton were out, and we'd be well covered left and centre.

I'd love to see Emerton given a proper run in the centre, I have a sneaky suspicious that Sam might fancy this because he frequently makes reference to the athletic ability of central players, and Emerton is miles ahead of everyone else in those terms.

That would leave us with the Roque money to buy a new striker, centre mid and wide player with pace. I think we'd have a pretty well balanced squad then. Hypothetically if we could get Bent + £7 million you'd have to say we could cover every position very well under the circumstances.

[RevidgeBlue]

Hypothetically if we could get Bent + £7 million you'd have to say we could cover every position very well under the circumstances.

Does this "Bent + 7m" figure have any basis in fact other than in Hughesey's fevered imagination?

I only ask because I've not seen the Daily Mail article referring to the potential deal.

RVR makes a good point, if we lose Warnock, all of a sudden we need a new LB. Pretty pointless.

[Gus Gus]

Couldn't agree with that more if I'm honest. Andrews has shown he's not a terrible option at right back if both Seitaridis and Emerton were out, and we'd be well covered left and centre.

I'd love to see Emerton given a proper run in the centre, I have a sneaky suspicious that Sam might fancy this because he frequently makes reference to the athletic ability of central players, and Emerton is miles ahead of everyone else in those terms.

That would leave us with the Roque money to buy a new striker, centre mid and wide player with pace. I think we'd have a pretty well balanced squad then. Hypothetically if we could get Bent + £7 million you'd have to say we could cover every position very well under the circumstances.

this scenario is pretty much the best we can hope for i.e. to not lose anybody that we don't want to lose and strengthen centre mid and right back for £4m. I'll be very surprised if both Warnock and Samba are here next season

[LeChuck]

Does this "Bent + 7m" figure have any basis in fact other than in Hughesey's fevered imagination?

There is no other basis, which is why I said 'hypothetically'. I'll admit it was wild speculation. It would seem a pretty realistic figure though, and throwing in a good player (who will surely be behind Keane, Defoe, Pavlychenko and RSC if he went) could give Spurs an edge if there are a few teams going for him.

[joey_big_nose]

On Roque...I can't see anyone buying him off the back of this season's displays and fitness problems. This could well mess up the window - because I don't see any other big bids for players coming in apart from Warnock.

Agreed! I can't believe people on here think that anyone will pay 7m+ for Roque given the recent performances and fitness. He will be at rovers next season.

Nicko - seeing as Cruz won't go - and Givet is "on" - is there any indication what sort of money will be around? If Roque stays we need to get him fit (and happy, somehow), find a central midfielder and a right back.....

[Guest benmaxwell]

Hughesey god bless ya, but you really do live on fantasy island sometimes.

If there was any mileage in an RSC/Bent deal it'd be as a straight swap I would think.

The article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ckburn-man.html

Revidge, you must know several things about English footballers by now. They command a much higher fee, usually about twice or thrice the value that they actually are. I think we can all agree that the fee that Spuds paid Charlton after they had already been relegated was insane.

Take into account that player swaps usually result in a more realistic value being rated, and add to this the value of South American footballers.

Roque should go for around about the £12m-£15m mark, and Bent should be valued around the £7m-£10m mark. Meaning we should get around about 4m profit left over...

Also let me add, that i don't buy into this whole. Injury will stop Roque being sold stuff. A player is usually purchased on potential for the future.

The fact that he scored 20+ goals the season before last will still be in plenty of managers minds. Not forgetting a certain Mr Hughes who splashed out on a certain Welsh striker who is injured more then he plays.

I would bet solid money that Roque will not be in Blue and While (with a rose) kit next season.

Nicko - seeing as Cruz won't go - and Givet is "on" - is there any indication what sort of money will be around? If Roque stays we need to get him fit (and happy, somehow), find a central midfielder and a right back.....

Nicko said a couple of pages back that he would spill all in the Sunday People...

[joey_big_nose]

The article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ckburn-man.html

Roque should go for around about the £12m-£15m mark, and Bent should be valued around the £7m-£10m mark. Meaning we should get around about 4m profit left over...

Also let me add, that i don't buy into this whole. Injury will stop Roque being sold stuff. A player is usually purchased on potential for the future.

The fact that he scored 20+ goals the season before last will still be in plenty of managers minds. Not forgetting a certain Mr Hughes who splashed out on a certain Welsh striker who is injured more then he plays.

You're mental. City are the only team that would pay a massive fee. And Bellamy was in rich form when they got him. And Spurs wanted him which massively forced up the price.

Roque is injured and out of form. You would have to be a nutter or utterly desperate to pay any more than 7m.

Get used to it. Cruz will stay. We will have to raise funds without him going.

[LeChuck]

I'm certain Roque will still go, probably for around £10-£12 million.

There's no way his injuries this season have knocked £10 million off his price tag, as long as he passes a medical at wherever he goes.

[gumboots]

I'm certain Roque will still go, probably for around £10-£12 million.

There's no way his injuries this season have knocked £10 million off his price tag, as long as he passes a medical at wherever he goes.

To be quite honest, even the best informed on here has absolutely no idea what's going to happen. the club have admitted themselves that they haven't even been able to start thinking about putting concrete plans together because of the uncertainty about relegation. You put out feelers for loads of players and the odd one comes off. the players you want to sell are not always those others want to buy and sometimes an offer comes in that is just too good to turn down even for a player you really would like to keep, and you have to revise your plans. It's all up in the air at the moment, as clubs are unwilling to start all but the most tentative of negotiations as many leagues around Europe are not finished either and plenty of players and teams are waiting to see where they end up before deciding what to do. Injury really does mean nothing if you can find a sucker who wants your player badly enough - look at Bullard to Hull. even if it is a different injury from th previous long term one, the fact that he would probably get injured again soon was a factor Hull should have taken into account but they still paid 5 million for him. It's going to be a wait and see summer i think.

[Hughesy]

Gumboots - business has already began with the general belief that we are premier league again once more next season. We are moving all over the place on players - We have scouts all over looking at players, sam attending games, asking a few clubs their asking prices on certain players and of course we will be looking at who we are getting shut of too.

Santa Cruz will go this summer,

His initial fee might be reduced, but we will still get big money for him based on certain criteria like x number of appearances etc. That sort of deal is what Spurs love anyway.

You're mental. City are the only team that would pay a massive fee. And Bellamy was in rich form when they got him. And Spurs wanted him which massively forced up the price.

Roque is injured and out of form. You would have to be a nutter or utterly desperate to pay any more than 7m.

Get used to it. Cruz will stay. We will have to raise funds without him going.

Thats not what I was told - I heard that Spurs wanted Palacios but so too did City. City agreed to not go for Palacios aslong as Spurs didnt go for Bellamy. Lots of dodgy agreements like this happen all the time!

Il bet you as much as you like that RSC goes for more than £7m. I mean come on Benni was subject of an £8m approach last summer which we turned away, so to say we wont get £7m for RSC is mental!

[67splitscreen]

English, young, very young (17), maybe to young for Sam

Youth international, attacking MF but no prem experience, made 14 appearances this season a scored 3.

Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton.

He has been getting some great reviews in a rather poor side, stacks of potential, great resale possibilities.

His manager has said it is unlikely he will be with them next season.

I have no idea what he would cost. and doubt we would be on our own if we where interested.

[champions1995]

I agree, no one (maybe Hughsey) will want to buy Santa Cruz this summer. Even Hughes may have gone off the Paraguayan, after all, he has so much money to spend and he could buy a better and fitter player. I'm sure some clubs will dislike Santa Cruz's attitude towards rovers as well - after all, we did give him the opportunity to play in England. Clubs want loyal players, who want to play for their club and a player with the attitude of Santa Cruz will probably put clubs off buying him. Similar to Bellamy at West Ham - played very few games but left as soon as he got the chance. Clubs don't want that. They want quality players who are willing to give their all for their club. Santa Cruz ceratinly hasn't done that this season for rovers.

[Eddie]

Thats not what I was told - I heard that Spurs wanted Palacios but so too did City. City agreed to not go for Palacios aslong as Spurs didnt go for Bellamy. Lots of dodgy agreements like this happen all the time!

There was media speculation about that, but it was nonsense.

[gumboots]

Gumboots - business has already began with the general belief that we are premier league again once more next season. We are moving all over the place on players - We have scouts all over looking at players, sam attending games, asking a few clubs their asking prices on certain players and of course we will be looking at who we are getting shut of too.

I'm not suggesting nothing has been done - clubs should be doing their homework and identifying possible targets all the time, but there is nothing concrete we can do until other clubs are ready to do deals and it is very much up in the air as I said. They'll have stepped up the pace at Rovers in the last week or so , but it's too early to know what will happen yet.

[philipl]

There was media speculation about that, but it was nonsense.

officially....

[Eddie]

If you have money for both, what would you gain from that sort of an agreement? Money was no option for City and Spurs clearly had a lot to spend in January. Spurs were in the driving seat for Palacios and I don't know whether London or Hughes would have been the deciding factor for Bellamy, but I just don't see what Spurs had to gain.