[Archived] Spit The Diouf

[gumboots]

Nice work Smiffy.

I too wondered what the heck that had to do with anything. There are good and bad muslims just as those who purport to be Christians are not all saints, nor are all humanists, buddhists, atheists pagans or whatever. As for the rest - he is a pretty poor specimen of humankind and I wish we didn't have him at our club. Whilst he plays for us, however, I will appreciate what he does well for us and criticise anything he does wrong, on or off the field, just as I would any other player, regardless of race or creed. I've personally not been very impressed with his performances for our team so far, but he's not done too much wrong either

[Hughesy]

Personally, as stated before, I don't care about his past, as long as he helps us stay up.

Ditto. If he does well for us, then I couldnt give two hoots about his past.

In his time with us so far, he has looked far more intent on helping us get out of trouble than some of our so called 'stars'.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

* In 2005, Diouf, who like his former strike partner at Bolton, Nicholas Anelka, is a muslim

What does that have to do with anything?

I await your relevant and illuminating reply with eager anticipation.

Yours,

ADB.

[RevidgeBlue]

No matter what Diouf might or might not have done in the past, should he not be allowed the chance to redeem himself slightly by living slightly more on the straight and narrow and trying to do some some good things in future?

He's hardly Jack the Ripper even at his worst.

I'm more concerned over the revelation he apparently only scored 6 times in 70 odd games for Liverpool and no times in 20 appearances this season.

[stuwilky]

I'm more concerned over the revelation he apparently only scored 6 times in 70 odd games for Liverpool and no times in 20 appearances this season.

Surely a post about football cannot be relevant Rev?

[Eddie]

Diouf has never been a prolific goalscorer. For a while he scored at a decent rate for a good Lens side, but it was nothing spectacular and no one should ever buy him thinking that he is a goalscorer. Everyone in France thought that Liverpool were paying well over the odds for him, but they were doing so because of the 2002 World Cup and that sort of thing happens.

[Roost]

* In 2005, Diouf, who like his former strike partner at Bolton, Nicholas Anelka, is a muslim, blatantly cheated by diving in the penalty box at Ewood Park to wrongly win a penalty. Afterwards both himself and Sam Allardyce refused to apologise for the cheating. As Mark Hughes said after that match: "The referee should have been aware that Diouf has a reputation for diving."

Can I ask you what relevance his religion has to your comments?

[bellamy11]

Can I ask you what relevance his religion has to your comments?

To get about 6 people to specifically quote it and provoke a reaction. Seems to be working.

[67splitscreen]

As the fisherman cast the fly........................ No thanks.

[riverside returns]

Surely as Rovers fans we can accept the proverbial 'black sheep' into our fold. What Diouf does give us is a different focus, taking the spotlight from Santa Cruz and distracting defenders. He appears more than able to control and hold the ball and looks to get into positions where he can cross or the defender gives us a free kick or maybe a penalty. We need to get behind the team and give them our all.

Come on you blues!!!!

[jim mk2]

* In 2005, Diouf, who like his former strike partner at Bolton, Nicholas Anelka, is a muslim,

One little sentence that says so much about Anti-Smiths Euro Fan.

Daily Mail arrived this morning Smiffy ?.

[Roost]

To get about 6 people to specifically quote it and provoke a reaction. Seems to be working.

It makes me wonder who the 'disgusting scumbag' really is.....................

[greco]

I'm not a well-known journalist. I'm a bloke with an opinion. My opinion is that in every way I'm aware of, excepting this charity work, Diouf is a scumbag. So it doesn't really fit that convincingly that he is humanitarian for humanitarian reasons. I didn't state it as fact, or have it published in a newspaper. And you know less about me than I know about Diouf. So, your insinuations that I resemble Oliver Holt (who?) are equally unfounded.

actually no.. you insinuate, that his charity work, is pr related. such a claim, without some facts, are useless. exactly as useless, as oliver holt, who insinuated, that ince´s dismissal, might have something to do, with the colour of his skin.

diouf might very well be a scumbag, as you eloquently put it, but nevertheless, he is ACTUALLY doing charity work. THE scumbag could just not do it.

you wrote and i qoute "My opinion is that in every way I'm aware of, excepting this charity work, Diouf is a scumbag" So tell me, based upon your vast knowledge of diouf and his personality, what is it, that you are aware of..??? BESIDES his on the pitch antics, tell me something about him personally, that could give your vague insinuations or opinion, some solid foundation.

my point of view is, that dioufs on the field antics, at times are not well thought out. He is basically a hothead, when he is playing. BUT im not going to judge his entire person, based upon these things. Just like i dont judge a player like gerrard, because he dives into challenges, sometimes without considering the opponetns health + his participating in an assault on a dj. Personally i find it onesided and narrowminded, to views a person with such glasses. BUT thats just my opinion.

[47er]

What's a "verbal assault" on a ref? He shouted at him? Not exactly rare.

[thenodrog]

This might help

Innocent until proven guilty? Give a dog a bad name? Leopards and spots? Let ye who are without sin cast the first stone.

Please delete as appropriate. You all know where you fit in.

Obviously I've only seen him a couple of times but imo he's strong and with a good degree of skill, he's been very hard working and appears to date strongly committed to the BRFC cause so I have no problem at all with that.... in fact it makes a refreshing change! Speaking as one who also had a quick temper on the pitch and more than a few occasions resorted to chinning an opponent when necessary and deserving (btw in retaliation only as a general rule. In those days the usual punishment was a ticking off and warning that if it happened again I'd be taking an early bath.). Now that it football is a girly game with no dangerous tackles allowed, where not long ago they were the norm, he really does need to be careful about his future behaviour. Imo a lot of his temper as shown on the pitch is flash in the pan stuff and largely down to the aformentioned commitment and desire.

btw My mate is Notlob fan and he says that he showed the same work ethic and commitment there and quickly became a crowd favourite.

[jim mk2]

Speaking as one who also had a quick temper on the pitch and more than a few occasions resorted to chinning an opponent when necessary

Why am I not surprised at that statement ?

Perhaps you should call yourself thenothug.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

* In 2005, Diouf, who like his former strike partner at Bolton, Nicholas Anelka, is a muslim

What does that have to do with anything?I await your relevant and illuminating reply with eager anticipation.

Yours, ADB.

The fact that Nicholas Anelka and El Hadji Ousseynou Diouf are both muslims has been mentioned before in various media reports - presumably without an outraged reaction from readers. I thought I would mention it too, as an incidental fact.

By way of an example, in an article in the Manchester Evening News here , the journalist Peter Spencer writes: "Anelka, a Muslim and teetotaller."

In my particular post I mentioned that Diouf was a muslim and also he has been convicted of drink-driving and banned from the roads for 12 months. So ADB - and the others who have questioned my post - will you now be sending an e-mail to the editor of the Manchester Evening News to ask what relevance it is that Anelka is a muslim?

One little sentence that says so much about Anti-Smiths Euro Fan.

Jim has had his usual dig towards me. As you are a former employee of The Times, Jim, were you aware of an article in The Times here in which the journalist John Aizlewood writes of Anelka: "the Muslim convert also known as Abdul-Salam Bilal."

So Jim, will you now be sending an e-mail to John Aizlewood to say: "That one little sentence about Anelka says so much about you."

Or is it that you prefer to pick on fellow Rovers fans like myself. A case of double standards don't you think Jim?

If you want to I can also provide a number of other examples of where it has been mentioned in the media that Diouf and Anelka are muslims, including an article I recall reading in The Guardian in which the fact that Anelka is a muslim was given prominence in the article.

Will you be sending an e-mail to The Guardian to ask what relevance it has to their newspaper?

It makes me wonder who the 'disgusting scumbag' really is.....................

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but are you suggesting that I'm a disgusting scumbag for mentioning a fact that has been widely reported in the media?

Are the journalists Peter Spencer and John Aizlewood, to give just two examples of people who have mentioned the muslim religion in relation to footballers, also "disgusting scumbags" or is it just me?

At the moment it seems that among the usual suspects - Jim et al - I can't do anything right these days and people are waiting for the opportunity to have a pop. I'm a little surprised that Colin hasn't had a go at me too - he usually does - but it was mentioned in his favourite newspaper The Guardian that Anelka is a muslim, so it would be a tad unfair to castigate me for mentioning it too.

I should have brought up in my previous post some of the dreadful tackles that Diouf has been responsible for. He's been sent off five times and in the 2007/08 season picked up 16 yellow cards for Bolton.

One of those yellow cards in the 2007/08 season was when he got away with just a booking for a horror challenge on Liverpool's Arbeloa in 2007, in the picture below.

Afterwards, the former Premiership ref Jeff Winter described Diouf's challenge as "a complete disgrace."

Winter said: "It earned him a yellow card when it should have been a red. But, to be honest, that tackle was so bad it deserved a six-match ban - let alone three games. They should hammer him. Sooner or later Diouf, or a player like him, is going to seriously hurt someone or even end their career."

"I don't want to take any of the heart and commitment out of the game but these challenges are like physical assaults. One of these days someone is going to get their leg broken - at best - and at worst have their career ended by a stupid tackle. Anyone who has ever played football knows that you cannot win the ball by jumping into that type of challenge and the sooner the FA get tough on this kind of crime the better, " said Winter.

"The FA would certainly have charged Diouf with violent conduct had the ref not seen it. Instead, because the ref has dealt with it, the authorities won't lift a finger and it's farcical," said Winter.

Hopefully there will be some board members on here who will condemn Diouf for his sickening challenge on Arbeloa and for his dreadful disciplinary record. I note the willingness of some board members to have a pop at me for making a factual remark - and their lack of willingness to condemn Diouf for his appalling conduct both on and off the pitch.

It begs the question as to why I am apparently the villain for making a factual statement which has been widely reported in the media - and why are some people apparently less willing to condemn Diouf for his dreadful conduct on and off the pitch?

[waggy]

YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME,whilst spit the dog is at ewood the sheep will love him

[gillibrand]

I like to read your facts, they are informative also it makes the usual pacifists look foolish!

[den]

The fact that Nicholas Anelka and El Hadji Ousseynou Diouf are both muslims has been mentioned before in various media reports - presumably without an outraged reaction from readers. I thought I would mention it too, as an incidental fact.

I think AESF, that people might be reading your posts, and wondering why you brought that into the equation.

[gumboots]

Had I read the other relevant articles at the time doubtless I would have queried what the relevance of a person's religion is in some of the contexts you have quoted. In fact I often do that. why do they feel the need to write a "born again Christian" unless it's because they wish to either point out that their conduct is directly against one of the tenets of their religion, or to belittle that religion. I merely queried what you wrote because you quoted the religion of Diouf in a paragraph which had nothing to do with his alcohol consumption or anything like that and you mentioned anelka, who was not involved in the incident you were discussing. Cheating is disgraceful and against the ethos of any religion. It is not the preserve of any one faith or those of no faith, and nobody likes it. Perhaps next time you or anyone else wants to disagree with any of my posts you'd like to add, "who is a Methodist local preacher" just so that it balances every time you wish to mention diouf's religion. My conduct is not always what it should be in terms of my faith either - I'm a work in progress.

[LeChuck]

I think AESF, that people might be reading your posts, and wondering why you brought that into the equation.

It's to get peoples' backs up obviously.

I was just very impressed at how tenuous he made the link, even for him - Anelka had nothing to do with the piece at all.

[jim mk2]

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[Hughesy]

One of those yellow cards in the 2007/08 season was when he got away with just a booking for a horror challenge on Liverpool's Arbeloa in 2007, in the picture below.

Hopefully there will be some board members on here who will condemn Diouf for his sickening challenge on Arbeloa and for his dreadful disciplinary record. I note the willingness of some board members to have a pop at me for making a factual remark - and their lack of willingness to condemn Diouf for his appalling conduct both on and off the pitch.

It begs the question as to why I am apparently the villain for making a factual statement which has been widely reported in the media - and why are some people apparently less willing to condemn Diouf for his dreadful conduct on and off the pitch?

Dreadful conduct when? In the past? Pre-Rovers? Yes thought so.

Nothing like holding a grudge is there!!

As for the Muslim statement. Who give's a flying hoots what he is, and whether or not he practices his religion strictly. You obviously care. Most on here dont.

Im Catholic, but I dont go to Church. If I was muslim, I too would drink. What is your point? Im a scumbag too?

[ABBEY]

yes