[Archived] Spit The Diouf

[rebelmswar]

Rovermum raises a good point, I think Sam should come out and back his player here.

I actually wonder how many fans want to believe this is true rather than think it is as it would suit somes agendas.

It is a good point, but I am sure that Sam will say nothing about this. Simply because the word racism is involved, in today's day and age talking about such things is like break dancing through a minefield.

[mellison24]

It's dangerous to talk about racism, but it shouldn't be. As somebody pointed out in an earlier post: There is only the HUMAN race. I would also use Jeremy Clarkson's (i don't like him btw) very suitable quote here:

'This is a democracy. If you're going to get offended then F**k off.'

[Blueboy Downunder]

if dioufy had the work rate and effort around the park that mgp has, then i could cut him some slack but as that is not the case and never will be, then he is something that i couldn't care less about. morten gets slagged from pillar to post every ###### week, even though he runs around like a silly bugger trying to do all the stuff that he shopuld do when we do not have the ball.....dioufy's work rate is not even on the same planet as mortens, but yet nobody within my earshot at ewood ever gets on his case.

dioufy can (Please don't use that word again) right off, as far as i am concerned, cause he gives us nothing...IMO

[mellison24]

those last 3 letters are vital. Personally, I think Diouf works damned hard. Pedersen DOES work hardER but this doesn't mean Diouf does no work! You must be unimpressed by the likes of McCarthy then? (Genuine question)

[adopted scouser]

It's the main backpage story in the Mail.

El Hadj Diouf is the problem here - not anonymous Everton fans with invisible fruit, or the linesman, or even the ballboy.

Spot on, but not just a problem here, everywhere. He can create things and score goals - lord knows we need that at the moment but he is a disgusting individual.

Not too long ago he was treated with the bile he deserves, but since he signed for Rovers it's all forgotten.

I can't believe he plays for us, I can't believe he wears the shirt.

They threw bananas at me - is that honestly the best you can do ?

[mellison24]

On that radio, didn't he say 'THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN THROWING BANANAS AT ME*, with the general abuse they threw my way' or something along those lines. I listened to it when they brought it up and he didn't actually state 'they threw bananas at me'......at least, that was my interpretation.....

* My captialisation

[AlanK]

As a player he is slightly under rated.

As a human being he is vastly over rated.

I hate what the premier league has become. We succumb to employing these people just to stay in the promised land.

Been going to Ewood 29 years and one of my favourite seasons was when we had Jansen, Dunny, Flitty, Short, Duff, Tiny etc in what is now the champonship. And we played bloody entertaining football.

The prem is not the be all and end all.

Sack him!

[roversmum]

Exactly, mellison24. He's getting all the flack just because of who he is, we should be supporting our player not eagerly searching for sticks to beat him with.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

Blackburn need to make a stand and show everyone that the club and the football world does not tolerate racism. If he's guilty then he should be sacked by the club. If he's not guilty then the media better start apologising quickly.

[rebelmswar]

Blackburn need to make a stand and show everyone that the club and the football world does not tolerate racism. If he's guilty then he should be sacked by the club. If he's not guilty then the media better start apologising quickly.

Is all of this for real over "White boy?"

You want to release Diouf on a free over White boy?

Reverse discrimination is a problem, but damn!

Let us all sue the film makers of "White Men Cant Jump" while we are at it.

Racism will never go away if we all act like babies every time someone says something slightly askew.

[roversmum]

But I don't think it was racism, Tim. It's common language in many countries, 'white boy' or 'black boy' etc as a form of address to a boy whose name you don't know and Dioufy is not from this country. Maybe Diouf should have thought a bit more about it and said 'ball boy'...

We're being too prissy about it.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Ah right, a club who aint got two pennys to rub together should sack a player we signed for 2million less than a year ago and played his heart out to keep us in the prem.

People now have their excuse to hate him again.... sigh

[Tim Southampton Rover]

If we don't act when any racism is being used then it will never go away. I don't care whether it's minor or major racism, it shouldn't be allowed in football full stop. If he also made up the claims that they threw bananas at him then he also deserves to be heavily punished because it's extremely wrong.

Edit:

Roversmum, to be honest i'm more angry at his claims about bananas rather than what he actually said. I just hope for the sake of our club he's telling the truth because otherwise he's put the club in such a bad position.

[roversmum]

We all have our opinions, Tim, but I am rather swayed by this argument that has already been put forward twice on this thread but many seem inclined to ignore.

On that radio, didn't he say 'THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN THROWING BANANAS AT ME*, with the general abuse they threw my way' or something along those lines. I listened to it when they brought it up and he didn't actually state 'they threw bananas at me'......at least, that was my interpretation.....

* My captialisation

Douify is not stupid, hotheaded perhaps and he's going to be pretty riled up by all of this but I'm sure we've all said something on the spur of the moment and regretted it immediately.

Personally those ball boys at Everton were on a wind up including, again as I've mentioned, the little oik in front of the Blackburn supporters, despite being told to cool it by two different stewards.

[broadsword]

On that radio, didn't he say 'THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN THROWING BANANAS AT ME*, with the general abuse they threw my way' or something along those lines. I listened to it when they brought it up and he didn't actually state 'they threw bananas at me'......at least, that was my interpretation.....

* My captialisation

Not sure where you get that from?

This is the transcript:

http://www.rmc.fr/edito/sport/89896/e-h-di...ce-des-bananes/

"En plus, on m’a lancé des bananes"

Which I think is: "and then, they threw bananas at me", no?

I'll have to remember that it's OK to address someone by their skin colour if you don't know their name. "Pint of Guinness please, black lad. Don't be offended, it's how we speak where we come from!"

[rebelmswar]

If we don't act when any racism is being used then it will never go away. I don't care whether it's minor or major racism, it shouldn't be allowed in football full stop. If he also made up the claims that they threw bananas at him then he also deserves to be heavily punished because it's extremely wrong.

If you find out that his quote was taken out of context or edited (lets face it with those rags it is pretty probable) would you still feel the same?

I agree that it should not be tolerated but it shouldn't constantly be used as a threat, excuse, or reason to hate someone either.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Rum do all this....not good for Diouf or Rovers.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

I can only go by what is said in the media. Due to the seriousness of the allegations, I believe what he said to the police and the media can be considered fact now due to the amount of coverage it has received in the media. If he was misquoted then I would have expected the truth to be out by now.

I don't believe everyone will hate him because of it but I think people close to him will be extremely disappointed with him considering the amount of incidents he's been involved with in the past which has given him a negative reputation.

I really hope he is telling the truth but if he isn't then I'd like the club to take strong action towards him. Do I think the club will sack him? No...but whether they do or not, that's something we'll find out next week when the reports are released and Blackburn release a full statement.

[roversmum]

Not sure where you get that from?

This is the transcript:

http://www.rmc.fr/edito/sport/89896/e-h-di...ce-des-bananes/

"En plus, on m’a lancé des bananes"

Which I think is: "and then, they threw bananas at me", no?

I'll have to remember that it's OK to address someone by their skin colour if you don't know their name. "Pint of Guinness please, black lad. Don't be offended, it's how we speak where we come from!"

I don't agree, Bryan, you know full well you wouldn't say that. You obviously didn't come from that kind of culture so that won't wash. I've heard it and I've been addressed as whitey by a black lad when abroad but I didn't go all prissy about it. It's true - I am white, how can I say otherwise? Maybe I should have got the person who said it locked up?

It's a good job you lot can't hear Mr Roversmum on the phone to his mates, you'd have the lot of them locked up for racism and they're all black!!!

Let's face it, the main problem is that many don't like Dioufy and they are only too eager to (I was just about to say 'blacken' his name...) seize the chance to bring him down.

If Dioufy alleged that bananas were thrown at him then that was wrong but there seems to be some doubt and the transcript you refer to doesn't comply with what mellison24 heard.

[Tris]

On that radio, didn't he say 'THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN THROWING BANANAS AT ME*, with the general abuse they threw my way' or something along those lines. I listened to it when they brought it up and he didn't actually state 'they threw bananas at me'......at least, that was my interpretation.....

We all have our opinions, Tim, but I am rather swayed by this argument that has already been put forward twice on this thread but many seem inclined to ignore.

I posted a link to the full interview transcript and the podcast of the radio interview half way down page 50. Which many are choosing to ignore!!!

He states

"what's more, bananas were thrown at me. Again, the referee told me that he would report it to the police. I didn't mention it [again] so that folk wouldnt say - 'Ah, it's that El Hadji Diouf again'. I've had such problems before - but like yesterday (Sunday) - never"

Que s’est-il passé exactement ?

Le ballon est sorti et j’ai voulu le prendre pour faire la touche rapidement. Le ramasseur de balles me l’a lancé comme un os à un chien. L’arbitre de touche m’a dit qu’il avait vu mais qu’il fallait continuer le match et qu’on verrait ça la mi-temps. En plus, on m’a lancé des bananes. Là encore, l’arbitre central m’a dit qu’il allait faire un rapport à la police. Je n’ai rien dit pour pas qu’on dise : "Ah, c’est encore El-Hadji Diouf". J’ai déjà eu des problèmes mais comme hier (dimanche), jamais

[roversmum]

Okay, I'm not afraid to admit if I'm wrong and it seems in this case I am. I've already said that Dioufy was wrong to say bananas had been thrown if they had not. I just get fed up with the constant moaning about the players, the manager, the board etc. Was this the actual broadcast that mellison24 had referred to?

It does seem a bit strange to me that supporters carry bananas about but each to his own I suppose.

One point. IF the police did go to search for bananas, when did they go? Had the cleaners already been round? Could stewards have picked them up? Hm conspiracy... Where's Miss Marple when you need her?

[broadsword]

I don't agree, Bryan, you know full well you wouldn't say that. You obviously didn't come from that kind of culture so that won't wash. I've heard it and I've been addressed as whitey by a black lad when abroad but I didn't go all prissy about it. It's true - I am white, how can I say otherwise? Maybe I should have got the person who said it locked up?

It's a good job you lot can't hear Mr Roversmum on the phone to his mates, you'd have the lot of them locked up for racism and they're all black!!!

No, I wouldn't have them all locked up for "racism", it would be a bit dumb to be racist towards someone of your own race.

What matters most is the feeling behind it, and "f*** off white boy" sounds like it was more than just a friendly term of reference. You wouldn't say that in anything other than a derogatory fashion, and to pretend otherwise is to be a fool to yourself.

If someone told me to "f*** of white boy", I wouldn't turn the other cheek or shrug it off.

[nicko]

There are some things you really could not make up...

http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/09/...madan-nightclub

[roversmum]

I'm sure you are too much of a gentleman to wind anyone up in the first place Bryan.

The linesman (sorry, asst. ref) was there at the time of the incident. Wonder if he was asked for his take on it?

Re the nightclub incident - although that wasn't his fault, there was no way he should have been there the night before a game and I'm sure Sam will have plenty to say about that.

[broadsword]

You could see him react at the time.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure. It could just be an opportunist allegation in the hope of vindictive action against Diouf - you could understand that in the context of Diouf's past record. But if that was the case why did the linesman react as quickly as he did to calm things down? Or it could just be that Diouf really did say that. That would possibly explain why Diouf has come out with this bananas accusation, so that he looks like the wronged party - guilty conscience, perhaps?

In any case, it's another unsavoury incident on Diouf's case file. He seems to be an aggro-magnet with no self-control.