[Archived] Clarkson V Brown

[berkshireblue]

Or maybe not.....

Pot kettle ..... ( best not use the last word could be misconscrued ) here I think

Obama is hardly an experienced heavyweight!!1

The sooner Dave replace the one eyed Jock the better

[blue phil]

[quote name='thenodrog' date='Feb 11 2009, 01:25 ' post=Cameron for all his faults is likely to become the PM of the USA's oldest ally before long and embarrassing quotes will not be helpful. Rem it's 2 ears and one mouth Mr Pres.

This is excellent news if it means that future relations will be redefined under a Cameron leadership . This "special relationship" has consisted of us being dictated to for decades under the so called leadership of our major parties . It's time we acted in our own interests for a change . Well done to Obama for widening the gap .

[tony gale's mic]

I guess they should have sent Ken Clarke. Intellectually and physically Obama would become the lightweight.

I must say it's bad form for Obama to be caught gobbing off like this. Maybe it's cos he's still very wet behind the ears or it's because Cameron is not a 'Bro', but Cameron for all his faults is likely to become the PM of the USA's oldest ally before long and embarrassing quotes will not be helpful. Rem it's 2 ears and one mouth Mr Pres.

what?!

[Paul Mellelieu]

Cameron is a posh lad playing at politics like an overgrown sixth form debater. He hasn't a clue.

[dave birch]

Cameron is a posh lad playing at politics like an overgrown sixth form debater. He hasn't a clue.

If this is true, then you've got problems.

[yoda]

If this is true, then you've got problems.

Bulls eye!

Fabulous shot Mr Birch

[Tris]

Cameron is a posh lad playing at politics like an overgrown sixth form debater. He hasn't a clue.

How many billions of taxpayers money have Darling and Brown thrown down the toilet this week? If Cameron is a 6th form debater, then your pair are struggling to keep up in primary school remedial class.

Independent on Sunday article

"Brown must go. He cannot remain in office. He has presided over the biggest boom in the history of the country as well as one of the biggest busts. But he promised no more boom and bust. He must be held accountable for his failure to oversee the stability of the country.

"Brown swaggers around holding himself out as the economic saviour of the world with a level of hubris that defies belief. But does he ever acknowledge that it was he, as Chancellor of the Exchequer, who presided functionally over the economic strategy that got us into this mess in the first place?"

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Cameron is a posh lad playing at politics like an overgrown sixth form debater. He hasn't a clue.

And I assume as a socialist your running out of praise when describing Darling &Browns efforts in running the economy?

Your thinly veiled ‘inverted snobbery’ towards the middle/upper classes is rather boring IMO. I don’t really care what an individuals background is ; anyone could do a better job than the clown we have in power at the moment.

[thenodrog]

anyone could do a better job than the clown we have in power at the moment.

Bad description. Clowns are funny. History will show that the unelected Gordon Brown has been an absolute disaster for the country.

[Rovermatt]

I must say it's bad form for Obama to be caught gobbing off like this. Maybe it's cos he's still very wet behind the ears or it's because Cameron is not a 'Bro',

Somehow I don't think so. Is that your attempt at African-American vernacular? Word Gordon, word.

Bad description. Clowns are funny. History will show that the unelected Gordon Brown has been an absolute disaster for the country.

Unelected eh? What did he stage a coup in Dunfermline East?

[jim mk2]

I must say it's bad form for Obama to be caught gobbing off like this.

Why ? Obama is only stating what is blindingly obvious to everyone about your glorious Tory leader.

Call Me Dave might well be the next PM but he will be only following a Tory tradition of intellectual pygmies in Major and Thatcher.

[Sandiway Blue]

Why ? Obama is only stating what is blindingly obvious to everyone about your glorious Tory leader.

Call Me Dave might well be the next PM but he will be only following a Tory tradition of intellectual pygmies in Major and Thatcher.

Oh,so your still here then?

Better intellectual pygmies than thieves like messrs Blair and Brown eh?

By the way `Dave` Is brighter than the numpty dumpty in 10 Downing street at the moment.I doubt very much he would have thought cutting vat would have made a difference to the economy.

Also i wonder what will happen to all the money the Labour loonies have trousered off the public by NOT informing them of the `credits` they are entitled to? Must be a few bob there eh? Or is that what numpty dumpty meant when he used to mention the word prudence....

[Tris]

Cameron is a posh lad playing at politics like an overgrown sixth form debater. He hasn't a clue.

I see you've conveniently ignored this thread since posting on Saturday night ... unable to dispute that Brown and Darling are clueless idiots it would seem. 850 jobs gone at Mini today, and the CBI predicting Dumb and Dumber of Downing Street will have to borrow 100 BILLION QUID more than they forecast to continue to bail us out of the mess they've made.

In fact well summed up by yourself, but you stuck the inevitable truth in the relegation thread by mistake ...

We need a miracle to stay up.

[stuwilky]

Purely out of interest, but are the yanks employing the same tactics as the UK government?

And is the reaction of the "working man" the same over there?

[leftfooter]

Why ? Obama is only stating what is blindingly obvious to everyone about your glorious Tory leader.

Call Me Dave might well be the next PM but he will be only following a Tory tradition of intellectual pygmies in Major and Thatcher.

On that subject Jim, would you care to name one political intellectual giant the left has managed to produce over the past decade - in either Europe or the States?

[Sandiway Blue]

On that subject Jim, would you care to name one political intellectual giant the left has managed to produce over the past decade - in either Europe or the States?

Don`t expect an answer any time soon.

At the moment Jim is checking out the specials at specsavers to get new glasses as he can only read certain posts!

[BiggusLaddus]

On that subject Jim, would you care to name one political intellectual giant the left has managed to produce over the past decade - in either Europe or the States?

Anyone at all since Trotsky?

[Tris]

Note that the Messageboard Wind Up Merchant in Chief jimmk2 is currently lobbing wind up posts like grenades every two minutes elsewhere in ICBINF.

But for several days hasn't been able to find a single word to defend his heroes, the occupants of 10 and 11 Downing Street.

[jim mk2]

Note that the Messageboard Wind Up Merchant in Chief jimmk2 is currently lobbing wind up posts like grenades every two minutes elsewhere in ICBINF.

But for several days hasn't been able to find a single word to defend his heroes, the occupants of 10 and 11 Downing Street.

Here you are, gobshite.

The great British public wants a change of government according to some polls so what information is freely available about David Cameron, the Tory leader otherwise known as Call Me Dave ?

Well, we read that although he claims to like a pint of real ale and launched his Tory leadership campaign at a community radio station, where he told listeners to "keep it real" and said he would prefer to be called "Dave", it would appear Dave is in fact a good old-fashioned Tory toff with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth.

Dave is the son of a stockbroker, spent the first three years of his life in Kensington and Chelsea before the family moved to an old rectory near Newbury, where he grew up. All very nice and southern.

After prep school, young Dave followed in the family tradition and went to Eton. Friends say Dave was never a great academic - or noted for his interest in politics, beyond the "mainstream Conservative" views held by his class mates. Nothing new there then.

He has described his 12 O-levels as "not very good", but through connections still managed to win a place at Oxford, where he apparently avoided student politics because "he wanted to have a good time". At Oxford he was a member of the Bullingdon dining club, famed for its hard drinking and bad behaviour including use of drugs. Dave said everybody was allowed to "err and stray" in their past (as long as their jolly good chaps !)

After university Dave took a job in public relations with Carlton, a minor ITV television company that no longer exists.

Dave's time there provides an insight into the man by some of the journalists who had to deal with him. Jeff Randall, writing in The Daily Telegraph, said he would not trust Mr Cameron "with my daughter's pocket money".

"To describe Cameron's approach to corporate PR as unhelpful and evasive overstates by a widish margin the clarity and plain-speaking that he brought to the job of being Michael Green's mouthpiece," wrote the ex-BBC business editor.

"In my experience, Cameron never gave a straight answer when dissemblance was a plausible alternative, which probably makes him perfectly suited for the role he now seeks," Randall wrote.

Sun business editor Ian King described Dave as a "poisonous, slippery individual".

Dave's wife, Samantha, is the daughter of landowner Sir Reginald Sheffield, who grew up on the 300 acre Normanby Hall estate, near Scunthorpe. Her step father, Viscount Astor, was a minister in the Major government. Friends say she has helped to transform her husband's "Tory boy" image.

Dave also claims to be an Aston Villa supporter, despite showing no boyhood interest in football, and has sought to prove his green credentials by cycling to work when in fact a Tory spokesman admitted that a chauffeur-driven limousine follows him carrying his belongings!

Former Tory MP Quentin Davies, who defected to Labour in 2007, branded him "superficial, unreliable and [with] an apparent lack of any clear convictions" and stated that Dave had turned the Conservative Party's mission into a "PR agenda".

Dave describes himself as "not a deeply ideological person," which probably explains why Barack Obama writes him off as a lightweight, and (Enoch please note) believes that "not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around."

So there you have it, Call Me Dave, blue-blooded football-loving phoney desperate to be a man of the people; "a poisonous, slippery individual" who "never gave a straight answer"; the bike-riding hypocrite; the "superficial, unreliable" lightweight without "any clear convictions" and a man who believes that "Britons need to integrate more with the British Asian way of life".

Just so you know the calibre of the next prime minister (apparently).

And everyone was very pleased.

[Tris]

Here you are, gobshite.

The great British public wants a change of government according to some polls so what information is freely available about David Cameron, the Tory leader otherwise known as Call Me Dave ?

Well, we read that although he claims to like a pint of real ale and launched his Tory leadership campaign at a community radio station, where he told listeners to "keep it real" and said he would prefer to be called "Dave", it would appear Dave is in fact a good old-fashioned Tory toff with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth.

Dave is the son of a stockbroker, spent the first three years of his life in Kensington and Chelsea before the family moved to an old rectory near Newbury, where he grew up. All very nice and southern.

After prep school, young Dave followed in the family tradition and went to Eton. Friends say Dave was never a great academic - or noted for his interest in politics, beyond the "mainstream Conservative" views held by his class mates. Nothing new there then.

He has described his 12 O-levels as "not very good", but through connections still managed to win a place at Oxford, where he apparently avoided student politics because "he wanted to have a good time". At Oxford he was a member of the Bullingdon dining club, famed for its hard drinking and bad behaviour including use of drugs. Dave said everybody was allowed to "err and stray" in their past (as long as their jolly good chaps !)

After university Dave took a job in public relations with Carlton, a minor ITV television company that no longer exists.

Dave's time there provides an insight into the man by some of the journalists who had to deal with him. Jeff Randall, writing in The Daily Telegraph, said he would not trust Mr Cameron "with my daughter's pocket money".

"To describe Cameron's approach to corporate PR as unhelpful and evasive overstates by a widish margin the clarity and plain-speaking that he brought to the job of being Michael Green's mouthpiece," wrote the ex-BBC business editor.

"In my experience, Cameron never gave a straight answer when dissemblance was a plausible alternative, which probably makes him perfectly suited for the role he now seeks," Randall wrote.

Sun business editor Ian King described Dave as a "poisonous, slippery individual".

Dave's wife, Samantha, is the daughter of landowner Sir Reginald Sheffield, who grew up on the 300 acre Normanby Hall estate, near Scunthorpe. Her step father, Viscount Astor, was a minister in the Major government. Friends say she has helped to transform her husband's "Tory boy" image.

Dave also claims to be an Aston Villa supporter, despite showing no boyhood interest in football, and has sought to prove his green credentials by cycling to work when in fact a Tory spokesman admitted that a chauffeur-driven limousine follows him carrying his belongings!

Former Tory MP Quentin Davies, who defected to Labour in 2007, branded him "superficial, unreliable and [with] an apparent lack of any clear convictions" and stated that Dave had turned the Conservative Party's mission into a "PR agenda".

Dave describes himself as "not a deeply ideological person," which probably explains why Barack Obama writes him off as a lightweight, and (Enoch please note) believes that "not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around."

So there you have it, Call Me Dave, blue-blooded football-loving phoney desperate to be a man of the people; "a poisonous, slippery individual" who "never gave a straight answer"; the bike-riding hypocrite; the "superficial, unreliable" lightweight without "any clear convictions" and a man who believes that "Britons need to integrate more with the British Asian way of life".

Just so you know the calibre of the next prime minister (apparently).

And everyone was very pleased.

And still not a single word in defence of Gordon Brown, the architect of the destruction of our economy, and his pathetic sidekick Darling.

[stuwilky]

And still not a single word in defence of Gordon Brown, the architect of the destruction of our economy, and his pathetic sidekick Darling.

Tris,

A serious question.

What could Mr Brown and Mr Darling have done differently to prevent the destruction of our ecomony in the current worldwide recession?

[Amo]

Cameron for PM?

Out of the frying pan...

[thenodrog]

Here you are, gobshite.

The great British public wants a change of government according to some polls so what information is freely available about David Cameron, the Tory leader otherwise known as Call Me Dave ?

Well, we read that although he claims to like a pint of real ale and launched his Tory leadership campaign at a community radio station, where he told listeners to "keep it real" and said he would prefer to be called "Dave", it would appear Dave is in fact a good old-fashioned Tory toff with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth.

Dave is the son of a stockbroker, spent the first three years of his life in Kensington and Chelsea before the family moved to an old rectory near Newbury, where he grew up. All very nice and southern.

After prep school, young Dave followed in the family tradition and went to Eton. Friends say Dave was never a great academic - or noted for his interest in politics, beyond the "mainstream Conservative" views held by his class mates. Nothing new there then.

He has described his 12 O-levels as "not very good", but through connections still managed to win a place at Oxford, where he apparently avoided student politics because "he wanted to have a good time". At Oxford he was a member of the Bullingdon dining club, famed for its hard drinking and bad behaviour including use of drugs. Dave said everybody was allowed to "err and stray" in their past (as long as their jolly good chaps !)

After university Dave took a job in public relations with Carlton, a minor ITV television company that no longer exists.

Dave's time there provides an insight into the man by some of the journalists who had to deal with him. Jeff Randall, writing in The Daily Telegraph, said he would not trust Mr Cameron "with my daughter's pocket money".

"To describe Cameron's approach to corporate PR as unhelpful and evasive overstates by a widish margin the clarity and plain-speaking that he brought to the job of being Michael Green's mouthpiece," wrote the ex-BBC business editor.

"In my experience, Cameron never gave a straight answer when dissemblance was a plausible alternative, which probably makes him perfectly suited for the role he now seeks," Randall wrote.

Sun business editor Ian King described Dave as a "poisonous, slippery individual".

Dave's wife, Samantha, is the daughter of landowner Sir Reginald Sheffield, who grew up on the 300 acre Normanby Hall estate, near Scunthorpe. Her step father, Viscount Astor, was a minister in the Major government. Friends say she has helped to transform her husband's "Tory boy" image.

Dave also claims to be an Aston Villa supporter, despite showing no boyhood interest in football, and has sought to prove his green credentials by cycling to work when in fact a Tory spokesman admitted that a chauffeur-driven limousine follows him carrying his belongings!

Former Tory MP Quentin Davies, who defected to Labour in 2007, branded him "superficial, unreliable and [with] an apparent lack of any clear convictions" and stated that Dave had turned the Conservative Party's mission into a "PR agenda".

Dave describes himself as "not a deeply ideological person," which probably explains why Barack Obama writes him off as a lightweight, and (Enoch please note) believes that "not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around."

So there you have it, Call Me Dave, blue-blooded football-loving phoney desperate to be a man of the people; "a poisonous, slippery individual" who "never gave a straight answer"; the bike-riding hypocrite; the "superficial, unreliable" lightweight without "any clear convictions" and a man who believes that "Britons need to integrate more with the British Asian way of life".

Just so you know the calibre of the next prime minister (apparently).

And everyone was very pleased.

Chuck all the mud you like Jim and I don't particularly like Cameron at all (and would prefer someone with much more grey matter and less PR spin like Clarke) but the fact that someone as fake as you suggest is going to wipe the floor with your hero Gordon Brown speaks volumes about the state that a decade plus under Labour has left our nation. Jim even you cannot defend the indefensible.

As for Obama's opinion....... "not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around."

........ he can (Please don't use that word again) right off! The leader of the great democratic nation that is the US of A now openly states that he supports minority rule! So why did he not say that 12 months ago?

Give an inch eh?

[jim mk2]

As for Obama's opinion....... "not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around."

........ he can (Please don't use that word again) right off! The leader of the great democratic nation that is the US of A now openly states that he supports minority rule! So why did he not say that 12 months ago?

Give an inch eh?

Cameron said that, not Obama.

[thenodrog]

Cameron said that, not Obama.

Opps sorry. My mistake I guess. Nice to see that my instincts are proven correct yet again.......... all the more reason to support Clarke.