[Archived] Morten Gamst Pedersen

[super_arran]

Thats an "Andrews" response if ever I saw one. Just because there's other players just as bad or worse does not make it OK.

For the record, if Emerton, Diouf or Chimbonda had 3 months left on their contracts and wanted a payrise to stay, would you give it to them?

Emerton; Yes; because he can still serve a purpose and still puts in a good shift.

Diouf; I'd offer him the same terms.

Chimbonda; no. Seems to think he's on par with Dani Alves. Also pretty lazy. Jacobson & Salgado are far better IMO.

I'm not in managment tho.

I never said it was okay. Just pointing out that Pedersen isn't the main culprit.

To be honest I haven't heard anything or noticed Pedersen doing fancy flicks all that often

[JAL]

Neither does allowing him to absorb more of our wage budget than he already does.

Suppose it boils down to how much you value someone, for me, but more importantly Rovers first team, his contributions more than justifies his salary without doubt.

[T4E]

If you think Emerton is good value for a pay rise its just as well you arent in management.

I think he and MGP can both still serve a purpose, but I certainly cannot see any way that either are worthy of a payrise. Like it or not, thats the way we HAVE to look at it. We have to make every single penny we have count - to that end, giving MGP more than he already gets would be totally irresponsible.

Suppose it boils down to how much you value someone, for me, but more importantly Rovers first team, his contributions more than justifies his salary without doubt.

I'd love to sit at Ewood and watch a game with you, just so we can establish what you are seeing that I'm not.

[Amo]

Pedersen's reportedly after £40,000 a week. Even for a year extension that's over £2m that could be invested into a new signing.

[super_arran]

If you think Emerton is good value for a pay rise its just as well you arent in management.

I think he and MGP can both still serve a purpose, but I certainly cannot see any way that either are worthy of a payrise. Like it or not, thats the way we HAVE to look at it. We have to make every single penny we have count - to that end, giving MGP more than he already gets would be totally irresponsible.

Because if we didn't give them a payrise they would just up sticks and leave for nothing. Leaving us 2 decent players short.

Then we would need to get suitable replacments in; which will cost money (which wont be cheap for someone of the same calibre), plus their wages.

I know you'll probably point to N'Zonzi as an example of not spending that much. but I believe in all honesty we just got lucky with him.

So all in all, it would make more sense to up their wages a bit and keep them for a bit longer to save money in the long run. Hense why the club HAVE offered Pedersen a new contract.

If you hadn't thought this way before, it's just as well you aren't in management

[T4E]

Because if we didn't give them a payrise they would just up sticks and leave for nothing. Leaving us 2 decent players short.

Then we would need to get suitable replacments in; which will cost money (which wont be cheap for someone of the same calibre), plus their wages.

I know you'll probably point to N'Zonzi as an example of not spending that much. but I believe in all honesty we just got lucky with him.

OK then, I'll point to Samba. And Nelsen.

So all in all, it would make more sense to up their wages a bit and keep them for a bit longer to save money in the long run.

If you hadn't thought this way before, it's just as well you aren't in management

No, it really doesn't. If you have a car that currently does not perform up to standard, occasionally breaks down and drinks more fuel than it should, you don't continue to plough money in to getting it repaired just because you're scared the next car might be even worse. Fact of the matter is, based on his contributions over the past 3 or 4 seasons, we would be losing very little if MGP left.

Oh - and you are the one that said you aren't in management, not me.

[Amo]

OK then, I'll point to Samba. And Nelsen.

Aren't you missing the most obvious example?

[T4E]

I didnt see the need to give countless examples, even though they do exist. We've been successfully offloading the likes of MGP and replacing them with younger, cheaper, hungrier and more often than not better players for years.

[Amo]

I didnt see the need to give countless examples, even though they do exist. We've been successfully offloading the likes of MGP and replacing them with younger, cheaper, hungrier and more often than not better players for years.

I meant Pedersen.

[broadsword]

Hunger, that's what I want to see ... bit of desire, bit of an edge.

Tightening up, being a bit of a game lad, being on your mark, being up for it, being a bit tasty.

[Amo]

Hunger, that's what I want to see ... bit of desire, bit of an edge.

Tightening up, being a bit of a game lad, being on your mark, being up for it, being a bit tasty.

Little bit ooooh, little bit aaaaah.

[broadsword]

Little bit of a geezer!

[super_arran]

OK then, I'll point to Samba. And Nelsen.

No, it really doesn't. If you have a car that currently does not perform up to standard, occasionally breaks down and drinks more fuel than it should, you don't continue to plough money in to getting it repaired just because you're scared the next car might be even worse. Fact of the matter is, based on his contributions over the past 3 or 4 seasons, we would be losing very little if MGP left.

Oh - and you are the one that said you aren't in management, not me.

Samba and Nelsen weren't bought as a direct replacement for anyone in the starting 11 that had recently left; were they?

Alright, You have a Ferrari and its not been running as well as it should for 2 years.

Would you:

A: Scrap the Ferrari, look around Auto Trader for a Toyota MR2, and hope that it will one day be better than that Ferrari? (which could happen, but the chances are low)

B: Keep the Ferrari and spend a little bit more money on it to keep it running. Then keep the Ferrari until it's run in to the ground.

or C: Spend a bit of money on the Ferrari fixing it up (because lets face it, it still does a decent job even when it's running a little bit below par) which in turn will keep its resale value high.

Whilst doing this you could look for a replacement car, should the day come that you decide to actually SELL the Ferrari?

Thus giving you more money to spend so you can aim higher than a Toyota MR2

[T4E]

You just compared Morten Gamst Pedersen to a Ferrari.

I'm out.

[super_arran]

You just compared Morten Gamst Pedersen to a Ferrari.

I'm out.

It's an example

Which one would you choose out of interest? A,B or C?

[Blue n White Rover]

It's an example

Which one would you choose out of interest? A,B or C?

Sell the Ferrari and buy a Lambo

There have been very few performances in the past few seasons to merit Morten a new contract. A few decent games here and there I'm afraid does not merit a new contract. His long throws may cause trouble in the opposition area, but how many have we scored from his long throws?

Many of his assists have come from dead ball situations. Prior to leaving, Benni was our best set-piece taker. Majority of Mortens deliveries are poor and very rarely does he put the ball in a good area. The same could be said about Diouf. We have not had a good delivery of the ball since Bentley has left.

His corners are usually poor and don't beat the first man or he always tries to shoot, and fails!

Time for him to go, what is it that you see in him that you would give him a new contract?

[super_arran]

Sell the Ferrari and buy a Lambo

There have been very few performances in the past few seasons to merit Morten a new contract. A few decent games here and there I'm afraid does not merit a new contract. His long throws may cause trouble in the opposition area, but how many have we scored from his long throws?

Many of his assists have come from dead ball situations. Prior to leaving, Benni was our best set-piece taker. Majority of Mortens deliveries are poor and very rarely does he put the ball in a good area. The same could be said about Diouf. We have not had a good delivery of the ball since Bentley has left.

His corners are usually poor and don't beat the first man or he always tries to shoot, and fails!

Time for him to go, what is it that you see in him that you would give him a new contract?

Point C

The club have offered him a new contract, we're just waiting to see if he signs it or not.

[Blue n White Rover]

Point C

How can you spend money on Morten fixing him up though?

It's either we offer him a new contract or not.

[super_arran]

How can you spend money on Morten fixing him up though?

It's either we offer him a new contract or not.

It was just an metaphor.

Offering him a new contract means if we do decide to sell him next year we will get a transfer fee; meaning more money than if we just let him go for nothing now.

Like B4E said

Like it or not, thats the way we HAVE to look at it. We have to make every single penny we have count

I'm not saying Morten is a world beater but he is a valuded member of our team; hense why we've offered him a new contract and he starts pretty much every game.

[Blue n White Rover]

It was just an metaphor. A very stupid one.

Offering him a new contract means if we do decide to sell him next year we will get a transfer fee; meaning more money than if we just let him go for nothing now. What if he continues to perform like he does now, and eats up our wages like he has been doing for the past few seasons. Waste of money if you ask me.

I'm not saying Morten is a world beater but he is a valuded member of our team; hense why we've offered him a new contract and he starts pretty much every game. His long throws is one of the reasons he gets into our squad and his delivery is better than anyone else in our squad when delivered perfectly, which is very rare. He also lacks competition in that place. Yes we have Olsson, but then we lack the strength in the middle, hence why Morten is played there.

[JAL]

If you think Emerton is good value for a pay rise its just as well you arent in management.

I think he and MGP can both still serve a purpose, but I certainly cannot see any way that either are worthy of a payrise. Like it or not, thats the way we HAVE to look at it. We have to make every single penny we have count - to that end, giving MGP more than he already gets would be totally irresponsible.

I'd love to sit at Ewood and watch a game with you, just so we can establish what you are seeing that I'm not.

No problem at all

My angle is, compare Pedersen with the rest and you have to say hes ahead of Grella, Andrews, NZonzi, Diouf and Emmerton when it comes to putting the forward into dangerous positions add to the fact that Dunny is rarely fit and ask can we afford to lose MGP.

[super_arran]

It was just an metaphor. A very stupid one

Stupid is as stupid does.

What if he continues to perform like he does now, and eats up our wages like he has been doing for the past few seasons. Waste of money if you ask me.

Well it appears the club are willing to take that risk; hense offering him a new contract already.

His long throws is one of the reasons he gets into our squad and his delivery is better than anyone else in our squad when delivered perfectly, which is very rare. He also lacks competition in that place. Yes we have Olsson, but then we lack the strength in the middle, hence why Morten is played there.

And that's why Sam values him highly

[Blue n White Rover]

The reason the club would offer him a new contract is because it is the cheaper option! We do not have to pay a transfer fee for him and just need him to sign a new contract.

Sam values Keith Andrews highly. If we had more competition in that position, then surely, Morten would not be in our starting 11.

[super_arran]

The reason the club would offer him a new contract is because it is the cheaper option! We do not have to pay a transfer fee for him and just need him to sign a new contract.....

....so we can get some money for him if we decide to sell.

I think that's the point I've been putting across for the past hour

Sam values Keith Andrews highly. If we had more competition in that position, then surely, Morten would not be in our starting 11.

If we had anyone better in that position then yeh, Morten wouldn't start. But we don't. So he does.

[Blue n White Rover]

....so we can get some money for him if we decide to sell.

I think that's the point I've been putting across for the past hour

What impression has his previous performances given you that we would get a substantial amount for him? He is not good enough for our team, and like you agreed with me, he would not be in our squad if we had a better replacement. We need to strengthen our squad and by replacing Morten, with an adequate replacement, we will be. Keeping him just means more heartless performances and a huge amount lost on wages.