[Archived] Morten Gamst Pedersen

[broadsword]

It's all academic anyway because Allardyce wants him to sign.

Rather than get him to sign now so we could sell him for a decent fee mid-contract, in my view we should've sold him last year. By the time he gets halfway through the next contract, I don't think anyone will be paying anything significant for him anyway. (He's 29 this year.)

It's my opinion, take it or leave it, but I believe he's been in a comfort zone for far too long. On his day he can be brilliant, but sadly those days are few and far between. I'd like him to do well, because obviously when he does well, so do Rovers.

If only we could "fix him up", a 10,000 mile service and replacing his seals would do wonders.

[super_arran]

What impression has his previous performances given you that we would get a substantial amount for him? He is not good enough for our team, and like you agreed with me, he would not be in our squad if we had a better replacement. We need to strengthen our squad and by replacing Morten, with an adequate replacement, we will be. Keeping him just means more heartless performances and a huge amount lost on wages.

There is no cheap adequate replacements tho, that's the thing. We need to sell in order to buy, not just let people go for nothing.

Do you honestly think if we drop Pedersen off the wage bill, it will make a massive difference in the grand scheme of things?

We'd still have to buy a new player and pay HIS wages.

Response to your first question. If we rate him enough to offer him a new contract then someone will rate him enough to buy. He is a proven Premier league player.

Look at McCarthy; someone bought that lazy sh#t. and to a lesser extent, Derbyshire.

Also Fulham offered £4m or something for Andrews.... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Blue n White Rover]

There is no cheap adequate replacements tho, that's the thing. We need to sell in order to buy, not just let people go for nothing.

Do you honestly think if we drop Pedersen off the wage bill, it will make a massive difference in the grand scheme of things?

We'd still have to buy a new player and pay HIS wages.

We reportedly have some money to spend this summer. Instead of wasting that money on 2 strikers, why not go out and buy yourself a left-sided midfielder? You still haven't explained to me what Morten has done in the past 2 seasons to merit a new contract? The fact that there might not be a cheap alternative isn't good enough.

Like I said, Rovers think that by getting Morten to sign a new contract is the cheaper option. However, as a fan, and having seen Morten play week in week out, he simply is not good enough for our team. We want to see an improvement each year, and sadly, keeping Morten does not improve us as a team.

He's anonymous in too many games and is a liability more often than not. Time to get rid.

[super_arran]

Instead of wasting that money on 2 strikers, why not go out and buy yourself a left-sided midfielder? Because we need a goal scorer. Plus we have Jason Roberts who couldn't hit the side of a bus with a hand full of peas.

haven't explained to me what Morten has done in the past 2 seasons to merit a new contract? The fact that there might not be a cheap alternative isn't good enough. I'm afraid it has to be. oh he's topped the assists table for a quite a few years too. plus that it would cost more to get rid now than for him to sign a new contract.

Rovers think that by getting Morten to sign a new contract is the cheaper option. However, as a fan, and having seen Morten play week in week out, he simply is not good enough for our team. I'm pretty sure the club watch him week in week out too and it appears they disagree with you and think he is good enough for the team, hense being in it.

see an improvement each year, and sadly, keeping Morten does not improve us as a team. I agree, we as fans do want to see and improvment. But we do have Holiet, Jones, Olsson, N'Zonzi coming through and they will only get better. Patience is a virtue.

[DP]

I would hardly call him a liability. Disappointing at times (often disappointing) but that's because we all know what he can do. I'm with JAL on this one (don't say that too often!), we need to keep him for his fitness, experience, and the fact that the type of player he is he will just cost too much to replace.

Whether he actually wants to stay though is a totally different matter.

[Amo]

I would hardly call him a liability. Disappointing at times (often disappointing) but that's because we all know what he can do. I'm with JAL on this one (don't say that too often!), we need to keep him for his fitness, experience, and the fact that the type of player he is he will just cost too much to replace.

Says who?

It's already been made patently clear how many bargain signings we've made over the years. It's no fluke, just shrewd scouting and good management. That's the type of signing we should be emulating, not keeping players like Pedersen in luxury for his average outings. Move him on for someone younger or someone with a point to prove. It's what we do.

[Blue n White Rover]

Instead of wasting that money on 2 strikers, why not go out and buy yourself a left-sided midfielder? Because we need a goal scorer. Plus we have Jason Roberts who couldn't hit the side of a bus with a hand full of peas.

haven't explained to me what Morten has done in the past 2 seasons to merit a new contract? The fact that there might not be a cheap alternative isn't good enough. I'm afraid it has to be. oh he's topped the assists table for a quite a few years too. plus that it would cost more to get rid now than for him to sign a new contract.

Rovers think that by getting Morten to sign a new contract is the cheaper option. However, as a fan, and having seen Morten play week in week out, he simply is not good enough for our team. I'm pretty sure the club watch him week in week out too and it appears they disagree with you and think he is good enough for the team, hense being in it.

see an improvement each year, and sadly, keeping Morten does not improve us as a team. I agree, we as fans do want to see and improvment. But we do have Holiet, Jones, Olsson, N'Zonzi coming through and they will only get better. Patience is a virtue.

Hoillet, Jones Olsson and Nzonzi are coming through, but that is completely off the point. We need a replacement for Pedersen. Like I have already mentioned the only reason Morten is played week in week out is because we have no alternative.

Top of the assists charts? I would be disappointed if he wasn't as he takes majority of our set pieces, and we rely heavily upon them. Statistics prove nothing. Watch him for the full 90 minutes and you can clearly see he is not good enough for our team.

[super_arran]

Hoillet, Jones Olsson and Nzonzi are coming through, but that is completely off the point. We need a replacement for Pedersen. Like I have already mentioned the only reason Morten is played week in week out is because we have no alternative.

Top of the assists charts? I would be disappointed if he wasn't as he takes majority of our set pieces, and we rely heavily upon them. Statistics prove nothing. Watch him for the full 90 minutes and you can clearly see he is not good enough for our team.

Christ you're repetative.

Mentioning the youth coming through is relative to your last post. With youth comes development.

Olsson, has he been playing left wing? YES. Has Pedersen's position in the team for quite some time been left wing? YES. So mentioning Olsson is completely on point. Given time I've no doubt Olsson will make that left wing position his. Meaning we have a ready built Pedersen replacement.

Stats prove he's quite good at set pieces, hense getting assists from them.

Please for the love of god don't reply to this.

[Blue n White Rover]

Christ you're repetative.

Olsson, has he been playing left wing? YES. Has Pedersen's position in the team for quite some time been left wing? YES. So mentioning Olsson is completely on point. Given time I've no doubt Olsson will make that left wing position his.

Stats prove he's quite good at set pieces, hense getting assists from them.

Please for the love of god don't reply to this.

I need to be repetitive to get the point across to you!

After 2 seasons of utter garbage from Morten Gamst Pedersen, you still want us to offer him a new contract. Unbelievable.

Anyway...

[broadsword]

But what's the ratio of successful set pieces of his, compared to the total?

Statistics should never be taken in isolation, but rather, they should be evaluated in the context of all available evidence.

[super_arran]

I need to be repetitive to get the point across to you!

After 2 seasons of utter garbage from Morten Gamst Pedersen, you still want us to offer him a new contract. Unbelievable.

Anyway...

you have no point, we have offered him a new contract.

[Blue n White Rover]

you have no point, we have offered him a new contract.

Then maybe I should re-phrase what I said.

After 2 years of utter garbage from MGP, you want him to sign a new contract. Unbelievable.

[BuckyRover]

I don't think he is garbage. He is a good premier league player

[super_arran]

Then maybe I should re-phrase what I said.

After 2 years of utter garbage from MGP, you want him to sign a new contract. Unbelievable.

Yes. For my reasons; look back through the last two pages of this thread. They're quite easy to understand

[dazmaz]

What impression has his previous performances given you that we would get a substantial amount for him? He is not good enough for our team, and like you agreed with me, he would not be in our squad if we had a better replacement. We need to strengthen our squad and by replacing Morten, with an adequate replacement, we will be. Keeping him just means more heartless performances and a huge amount lost on wages.

Wouldn't that be the case for every player in our team. would Robbo play if we had a better keeper? would Givet/N'zonzi/Samba (the list goes on) all be dropped if we had someone better? yes they would they would.

The point is we do not have anyone better, and for the money we get for transfers, we are not going to get anyone better. we need strikers because come the end of the season we will have 2, one cant hit a barn door from 1 inch away and the other is still very young.

I agree midfield needs strengthening but at the moment we simply don't have the cash to do that and we have to plug the lack of depth up front (not to mention buy someone who can put the ball in the net) and until the time comes where we have some money to get someone who is better than MGP then sadly we have to stick with him.

[RoyRover]

Yes. For my reasons; look back through the last two pages of this thread. They're quite easy to understand

I've been following the discussion that you and bnwr have been having. Your argument is easy to understand - you want Pedersen to sign a new contract because we don't have the money to sign anyone else and we can possibly sell him for a fee in the future. I'm with bnwr on this one. Pedersen has been nothing short of awful for the past three seasons. He offers us absolutely nothing and is a passenger in our team. If he continues playing the way he has been, then there will be few people willing to buy him, leaving us with a player that no one wants, that isn't doing a thing for us and is earning a fortune for it. He's been riding the gravy train for too long and should be let go. That's just my opinion.

[Blue n White Rover]

Wouldn't that be the case for every player in our team. would Robbo play if we had a better keeper? would Givet/N'zonzi/Samba (the list goes on) all be dropped if we had someone better? yes they would they would.

Robbo has competition, he performs well on most occasions. Same with Givet, Nzonzi, Samba and as you say the list goes on. The difference between them players and Morten is quite easy to be honest. They usually perform every game and would be hard to replace looking at our budget. You will find it hard to find players like Samba and Givet on the budget we run, however, Pedersen has very little impact on our team. To replace the players mentioned above would cost us a lot of money, to replace Pedersen would not break the bank.

[roversmad95]

You will find it hard to find players like Samba and Givet on the budget we run,

is that not a stupid quote... we got those players on the budget we run samba cost us 400,000 amd givet was 3.5 million...

[Majiball]

But what's the ratio of successful set pieces of his, compared to the total?

Statistics should never be taken in isolation, but rather, they should be evaluated in the context of all available evidence.

OK Ped's takes them, but the manager decides what he's meant to do. You can't blame Gamst for the set-pieces we go through he's not the manager. Gamst I'm sure will be told in the main to hit Samba, we've all discussed what we think of our repetitive, predictable set-piece's.

[bellamy11]

You can't blame Gamst for the set-pieces we go through he's not the manager.

The manager is telling him to hit the first man from corners?

[S15]

Get Guti in and let MGP go and I swear half of these lot wont even notice.

[Kelbo]

The manager is telling him to hit the first man from corners?

Then blame the coaching staff, could it be coincidence that in the 70s Burnley had a production line of great crossers of a football, Dave Thomas, Ralph Coates, Willie Morgan, Leighton James, Trevor Meredith, Trevor Steven!!

There will be other instances I know, but if worked on correctly and practised in training, this should really improve that part of a players game!!

One thing however, the constant changing of the kind of ball used is not helping nowadays!

[den]

Then blame the coaching staff, could it be coincidence that in the 70s Burnley had a production line of great crossers of a football, Dave Thomas, Ralph Coates, Willie Morgan, Leighton James, Trevor Meredith, Trevor Steven!!

There will be other instances I know, but if worked on correctly and practised in training, this should really improve that part of a players game!!

Naturally gifted players Kelbo, that's what those players were. They could all cross a ball from early days, it wasn't coached into them at all.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Then blame the coaching staff, could it be coincidence that in the 70s Burnley had a production line of great crossers of a football, Dave Thomas, Ralph Coates, Willie Morgan, Leighton James, Trevor Meredith, Trevor Steven!!

There will be other instances I know, but if worked on correctly and practised in training, this should really improve that part of a players game!!

One thing however, the constant changing of the kind of ball used is not helping nowadays!

John Connelly and Gordon Harris could put in a good cross as well. It was a different era then, me and my mates played "wallie" and "centring and heading" under the street lights all winter. I didn't like heading so I did the centring, Either foot either wing it didn't matter. When I was older 16,17 I could take corners with either foot. You don't see many pro's do that today.

[Majiball]

The manager is telling him to hit the first man from corners?

The point I was trying to make was based on the success rate of set-pieces taken by Ped's, given that in the main (99% of the time) We try and hit Samba and this will be under instruction by Sam and the Coaching staff (they devise all the set-pieces). Samba gets double marked these days and he's very unlikely to win the ball, so part of the blame is not just at ped's feet for his inconsistent dead ball. Corners on their own is fine, but set-pieces covers everything.

The way some people talk on here you'd think that if you just gave a kid with potential a ball and let him play he'd magically become a great player. Coaches are the key, they set the practices and scenarios that allow them to develop in a structured and planned environment, all the talent in the world will go to waste if this doesn't happen. Burnley must have been doing something to help players develop good crossing, because to get so many coming through one after another does not imply chance.

Ince was a poor coach, so why didn't we still do well, given that coaching quality and type doesn't apparently matter? The players were still all naturally gifted and yet performed poorly both collectively and individually.