[Archived] Morten Gamst Pedersen

[MarkBRFC71]

Tell MGP to jog on. Sign George Boyd from Peterboro - £1.5m. Pay him £15k a week. Watch a player who wants to play, not just show up and pocket the money. Oh, and keep the change. That's what I'd do anyway .... 

[Hughesy]

Your contribution to this message board is very good, but why do you feel the need to regularly disrespect other people's comments with the use of patronising emoticons (or whatever they are called).

Just an observation.

was simply to signify that I think its crazy to weaken your squad when other areas are need improvement more urgently.

As for MGP - Iv decided - I dont give two hoots either way now ......I can see both arguements (keep & not weaken/ let go/ use his wages/ give olsson the chance) - so I suppose its about his desire to do well for us, the lack of signing a new contract may tell its own tale?!

[Pedderz0912]

Never ever injured, never gets sent off, far them that say hes lazy get a grip even hughesy was saying he was the fittest in squad and covers more grass than any1 and Sam said exactly the same.

Most assists and highest scoring midfeilder

Cant beleive how fans have turned against him - I think he may have been our best midfielder this season (After Nzonzi) and countin dunn as a 2nd striker .... Been better than diouf on the whole, deffo better than emerton, better value of money than reid and grella and deffo better than andrews - Lets get realistic n hope he signs

He would be in my starting 11 anyway and if he does go who can we get for the same money - £30k a week say and thats not taking into account transfer fee - hull wanted 7m for hunt FFS.

Gotta say I like ledley alot but would keep Gamst at all costs

[Amo]

I get the point. RSC was never lacking in quality, just fitness so its not even close to being the same, you might want to consider that not only did he cost 2.5m plus signing fee plus serious wages, thats not a bargain to rovers.

£2.5m+ for a striker who scored 20+ goals in his first season and made a substantial profit when we sold him. That's not considered a bargain? Errwhat?

Don't forget our status as a club is lower than when we signed both Gamst and RSC, back then we were challenging for europe and the such, we're not even close to that now, things have changed.

Take a raincheck. We were fighting relegation when we signed Pedersen, and we finished 10th the season before we signed Santa Cruz.

Also don't forget the board wants 5 million of the wage budget as I assume that hasn't changed since the Warnock fee covered this years over spend, so replacing as fewer first teamers as possible is key. Bargains are great when they come in with no expectations IE Samba, Nelsen, N'zonzi but if you truly think you can just drop them in the deep end of the pool and hope they swim then well, I have no more to say. All those players have come in as back-up with no pressure, this scenario is not the same as they will have to be in the first 11, otherwise one of our current squadies will have to take the role on, dropping our midfield quality further.

This is a whole lot of conjecture and supposition.

You think its a lazy option, no its the best option and thankfully it would seem the club see it that way as well. Even a Bosman of good quality is going to want serious wages + signing fee, which we can't and don't pay.

That just tells me it's the cheap option, not the best one.

[unluckymorton]

Tell MGP to jog on. Sign George Boyd from Peterboro - £1.5m. Pay him £15k a week. Watch a player who wants to play, not just show up and pocket the money. Oh, and keep the change. That's what I'd do anyway .... 

Then we'd have Keith No2?

[Majiball]

With Dunn staying and mostly only being fit to play 50% of the season we must get someone in who can play in his role when he's not fit. If he's injured plus the other positions this is how it looks:

-----------------Robinson---------------------

Salgado------Samba------Givet-------New Player

Diouf--------N'zonzi----New Player------Olsson

-----------------New Player-------------------

-----------------New Player-------------------

Thats almost a whole new spine of a team and we've go to go to Netto to get it as well, maybe one or two EBay bargains as well. We're going to finsih in or around 10th place so why the hell do we need wholesale changes??? Imagine if they all need 6 months like Kalinic did, we won't push on at all next year.

I'd far rather we re-signed him got in the two-three players we really do need (when Dunns out we have to change how we play) and got the money we need to off the wage bill, so that saved money can be put into a bigger transfer fund next season. Because if we don't start to have the ability to sign players for decent fees soon, eventually we'll get our Primark signings wrong and it will fall apart at the seams just like there clothes do.

I jus don't see how on earth we can uncover 4, yes 4 bargain signings that can perform in the premiership and push us up the league next season. In fact I doubt even the A team could do that job.

[Majiball]

£2.5m+ for a striker who scored 20+ goals in his first season and made a substantial profit when we sold him. That's not considered a bargain? Errwhat?

Its only a bargain now after we have sold him for 18 million at the time it was our main signing and he took the vaste majority of our budget, at that moment in time he was a great gamble. If you can garuntee this magical new player you want will do exactly the same, then great I'm on board, but you can't can you.

the RSC summer we signed three players RSC, Gunnar Neilsen and Rigters so yes he must have been one hell of a bargain since we signed such great players to play with him. He cost the whole of our budget, in who's world is that a bargain, at that moment in time.

Take a raincheck. We were fighting relegation when we signed Pedersen, and we finished 10th the season before we signed Santa Cruz.

A couple of years prior we won the league cup, we'd been playing in the UEFA in 02-03 as well. Also we were able to spend money something that we can no longer do. Back then 8 million got us andy cole, now 6 million gets niko kalinic, I know who'd I'd rather have.

Did we not get into the intertoto that year and played in europe????? IE finishing 10th with Benni's 18 goals, also consider the quality we had at that time in our first team, its not there any more.

We're nowhere near what we where back then.

This is a whole lot of conjecture and supposition.

I'd hoped you might say something along those lines. Conjecture and supposition is exactly what your whole arguement is based on, we may find a bargain, he may want to come here, he may make the grade, he may be better than what we have. Its all maybes, but hey lets just do it anyway because we can definitly afford to gamble like that can't we?????

That just tells me it's the cheap option, not the best one.

Its the reality of the situation, we have no money, we are a cheap club. We cannot afford to sign 4 first teamers despite what you want. As always we'll be lucky to have 5-10 million this year and thanks to the G14 and City that buys a packet of peanuts these days.

5 goals & 7 assists, regardless of who takes set-pieces is good going for any premiership player. If we want to improve on that we'll need 10 million or so to buy him, which we don't have.

[Montfort]

5 goals & 7 assists, regardless of who takes set-pieces is good going for any premiership player.

I agree. Who is this chap? We should sign him immediately if he is available

[Majiball]

I agree. Who is this chap? We should sign him immediately if he is available

Glad some see sense.

All those saying Olsson can replace him, should check out that they've been playing in the same team in different roles so Olsson will not replace him, now he's in central midfield.

When you have no money to spend you don't want to add to the number of new players you need especially not after finishing as high as up we look like doing. We need stability on the pitch and off it some don't understand this at all.

At the end of the day "expert" opinion backs me up, otherwise he wouldn't have a new deal on the table.

[gumboots]

Glad some see sense.

All those saying Olsson can replace him, should check out that they've been playing in the same team in different roles so Olsson will not replace him, now he's in central midfield.

When you have no money to spend you don't want to add to the number of new players you need especially not after finishing as high as up we look like doing. We need stability on the pitch and off it some don't understand this at all.

At the end of the day "expert" opinion backs me up, otherwise he wouldn't have a new deal on the table.

I'm with you all the way on this. If we had money then no, I probably wouldn't want to see Pedersen re-sign unless we were also getting new players in to compete with him for whatever spot he plays in. However, we haven't and I can't see better coming in without money, or more capable of getting straight into our first team without big money and big wages. I'm not a 100% Pedersen fan but I have to keep asking who else for less? It's not lazy - it's realistic. For those wanting Reid back, maybe he's impressed at WBA because that is now his level. It's still a long way from playing against Premiership opposition week in, week out and one of West Brom's chief problems in the past few seasons has been that they do not have enough Premier league quality players at any time to stay in the league. Reid is another who is good at that level but unless he really is past his fitness nightmares will struggle

[Majiball]

I'm with you all the way on this. If we had money then no, I probably wouldn't want to see Pedersen re-sign unless we were also getting new players in to compete with him for whatever spot he plays in. However, we haven't and I can't see better coming in without money, or more capable of getting straight into our first team without big money and big wages. I'm not a 100% Pedersen fan but I have to keep asking who else for less? It's not lazy - it's realistic. For those wanting Reid back, maybe he's impressed at WBA because that is now his level. It's still a long way from playing against Premiership opposition week in, week out and one of West Brom's chief problems in the past few seasons has been that they do not have enough Premier league quality players at any time to stay in the league. Reid is another who is good at that level but unless he really is past his fitness nightmares will struggle

Exactly.

If people on here had their way we'd be looking for a whole new team this summer.

[unluckymorton]

Exactly.

If people on here had their way we'd be looking for a whole new team this summer.

And getting relegated as a result.

[Pedderz0912]

Any news on the contract front? I really need to know if Lee was right what he told me the other day - I personally hope he signs and gets settled and gets some old form back

In agood team he will score a few ;-) have faith.

Out: Reid, Zurab, Brown, Andrews, Emerton, ROberts

In: Matthews, Ledley, Robert Ledownowski and Dindane and MGP to renew

[broadsword]

Gets some old form back?!

Ahahahahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

[gumboots]

And if he does sign then perhaps it's time for some of those who are so anti-Pedersen it's unbelievable to give him a bit of support and actually see if that works rahter than booing him and criticising his every move. Might work wonders. Equally it might not, but you never know.

[bellamy11]

Its only a bargain now after we have sold him for 18 million at the time it was our main signing and he took the vaste majority of our budget, at that moment in time he was a great gamble. If you can garuntee this magical new player you want will do exactly the same, then great I'm on board, but you can't can you.

the RSC summer we signed three players RSC, Gunnar Neilsen and Rigters so yes he must have been one hell of a bargain since we signed such great players to play with him. He cost the whole of our budget, in who's world is that a bargain, at that moment in time.

I somewhat agree with your post but I don't get this point. Bargains aren't dictated by budget, they're dictated by price vs actual/expected value. If I have £5k to buy a new car and manage to negotiate a McLaren F1 for the whole of my budget is that not a bargain? RSC was a gigantic bargain, regardless of whether we had £2.5m to spend or £250m.

[MarkBRFC71]

Never ever injured, never gets sent off, far them that say hes lazy get a grip even hughesy was saying he was the fittest in squad and covers more grass than any1 and Sam said exactly the same.

Most assists and highest scoring midfeilder

Cant beleive how fans have turned against him - I think he may have been our best midfielder this season (After Nzonzi) and countin dunn as a 2nd striker .... Been better than diouf on the whole, deffo better than emerton, better value of money than reid and grella and deffo better than andrews - Lets get realistic n hope he signs

He would be in my starting 11 anyway and if he does go who can we get for the same money - £30k a week say and thats not taking into account transfer fee - hull wanted 7m for hunt FFS.

Gotta say I like ledley alot but would keep Gamst at all costs

Never gets injured or sent off because he never makes a tackle.

I've covered more grass walking through my front garden on the way to Ewood than MGP did against either Man U or Everton and that's just the last two games.

Most assists because he takes all the set pieces - usually atrociously. You'd think that after 5 years of taking corners he would manage to get more than 2 per match past the front post, but no.

Best midfielder - after N'Zonzi, Dunn, Olsson, Grella, Hoilett, and Diouf. Even Andrews at least tries, but is just not good enough.

If Sam's scouting network can uncover players like N'Zonzi, then replacing what little MGP gives with a £30k a week budget should be p*ss easy. Let's start with just keeping Reid, who is twice the player and not a wuss.

And no offence, but I hardly think the fact that you've named yourself after him means you can deliver an unbiased assessment.

I hope he goes, and I'll say thanks for some great goals, particularly against Burnley and Man U. Unfortunately his last 2 seasons he's been as much use as a certain 'chunky' West Ham striker.

I'm pretty sure that those advocating he stays are the ones who for whatever reason, do not attend games and see what little he offers when not in possession.

[Majiball]

I somewhat agree with your post but I don't get this point. Bargains aren't dictated by budget, they're dictated by price vs actual/expected value. If I have £5k to buy a new car and manage to negotiate a McLaren F1 for the whole of my budget is that not a bargain? RSC was a gigantic bargain, regardless of whether we had £2.5m to spend or £250m.

Bayern fans thought they'd finally gotten rid of a dud. Despite his great promise during his time there he'd flattered to deceive and most on here were very skeptical about putting all our eggs in one basket with him. Hughes backroom team take some serious credit for sorting him out as the second they left he went back into the treatment room. I suppose the point I've been trying to make is that it took every penny we had to pay his fee, signing bonus and his wages that year and yet this summer with probably not much more to spend people on here think we can sign 4 RSC's, which is not possible.

RSC could just have likely failed and spent all his time in the treatment room so I guess I should have used the term gamble retrospectively.

On Ped's free kick's isn't our normal plan to hit Samba for the flick on? If so then Gamst won't get any from that, Samba will and how many does he have?

[DeadlyDirk]

On Ped's free kick's isn't our normal plan to hit Samba for the flick on? If so then Gamst won't get any from that, Samba will and how many does he have?

Zero according to the official site.

[Majiball]

I'm surprised at that I would have thought one or two but never zero, and yet we do them all the time.

[yeti-dog]

Never gets injured or sent off because he never makes a tackle.

I've covered more grass walking through my front garden on the way to Ewood than MGP did against either Man U or Everton and that's just the last two games.

Most assists because he takes all the set pieces - usually atrociously. You'd think that after 5 years of taking corners he would manage to get more than 2 per match past the front post, but no.

Best midfielder - after N'Zonzi, Dunn, Olsson, Grella, Hoilett, and Diouf. Even Andrews at least tries, but is just not good enough.

If Sam's scouting network can uncover players like N'Zonzi, then replacing what little MGP gives with a £30k a week budget should be p*ss easy. Let's start with just keeping Reid, who is twice the player and not a wuss.

And no offence, but I hardly think the fact that you've named yourself after him means you can deliver an unbiased assessment.

I hope he goes, and I'll say thanks for some great goals, particularly against Burnley and Man U. Unfortunately his last 2 seasons he's been as much use as a certain 'chunky' West Ham striker.

I'm pretty sure that those advocating he stays are the ones who for whatever reason, do not attend games and see what little he offers when not in possession.

Can't let you get away with some of what you said above I'm afraid.

Grella better?...who knows never plays and anyhow plays a much different role.

Dunn better ..possibly but again injured more often than not.Also,possibly on the wane I'd say.

Hoilett...maybe in a couple of years.At present not a chance.

Diouf..don't see it myself.

Reid..twice the player..ridiculous statement.Found his level in the championship as someone else noted previously.

Three out of the five above are crocks,one is no better than Pedersen and the other is possibly one for the future although I've been pretty underwhelmed by what I've seen of him so far this season.We're skint we can't afford to carry three guys who barely manage 38 games a season between them ffs!

[Tom]

Never gets injured or sent off because he never makes a tackle.

I've covered more grass walking through my front garden on the way to Ewood than MGP did against either Man U or Everton and that's just the last two games.

Most assists because he takes all the set pieces - usually atrociously. You'd think that after 5 years of taking corners he would manage to get more than 2 per match past the front post, but no.

Best midfielder - after N'Zonzi, Dunn, Olsson, Grella, Hoilett, and Diouf. Even Andrews at least tries, but is just not good enough.

If Sam's scouting network can uncover players like N'Zonzi, then replacing what little MGP gives with a £30k a week budget should be p*ss easy. Let's start with just keeping Reid, who is twice the player and not a wuss.

And no offence, but I hardly think the fact that you've named yourself after him means you can deliver an unbiased assessment.

I hope he goes, and I'll say thanks for some great goals, particularly against Burnley and Man U. Unfortunately his last 2 seasons he's been as much use as a certain 'chunky' West Ham striker.

I'm pretty sure that those advocating he stays are the ones who for whatever reason, do not attend games and see what little he offers when not in possession.

Wrong again chap I'm a season ticket holder and so are some of the others who can see that he offers us enough to warrant a place in our squad.

I can't understand the criticism of his workrate he's up and down all game and often helps out the fullback.

All the best to him if he decides to move on though I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to play on front of our fans who jump on his every mistake yet let dunn get away with jogging around without much purpose a lot of the time

[Majiball]

All the best to him if he decides to move on though I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to play on front of our fans who jump on his every mistake yet let dunn get away with jogging around without much purpose a lot of the time

He's been poor recently at times anonymous, getting someone in to push him is a must this summer.

[Amo]

At the end of the day "expert" opinion backs me up, otherwise he wouldn't have a new deal on the table.

"Expert" opinion also thinks Keith Andrews is a Premier League midfielder. What say you to that?

Pedersen is no longer a threat on the wing, and after a handful of bright spots in centre-midfield he soon returned to his mediocre displays. I'm no scout. I don't know who we can sign. But I'm fully confident we can improve on Pedersen, who's contributing the bare minimum. Ask yourselves why nobody's snapped him up yet - Because he's a very average player. His set-pieces are poor but so frequent he eventually hits the target. And his long throw is harmless. He doesn't even have goals to his game anymore.

[John]

MGP frustrates the hell out of me with some of his play sometimes.

However our current midfield is so low on quality - plus in Grella, Dunn and Reid (who surely will leave), we have 3 players who in their Rovers career simply cannot stay fit for a decent amount of time.

Therefore, the fact MGP can stay relatively fit is a massive plus, as it is for Andrews in a way. Sad state of affairs but that is the way it is for us.

Also Sam obviously feels losing him provides more problems, compared with keeping him and attempting to get him back playing consistently well.

We would be lost without his long throws too