[Archived] Morten Gamst Pedersen

[unluckymorton]

If we hadn't over-budgeted in the past surely we wouldn't be in debt?

Doubt the rumours are true but if they are then 50k a week is criminal. We surely cannot say that it is impossible to find a run-of-the-mill Premier League player for less. If he's on something like 25k it's much more understandable.

I'm not sure if Joe Ledley was ever a consideration but if he cost £2m in a tribunal and got paid 25-30k a week we'd be no worse off with a younger, talented player with potential re-sale value. It would also be consistent with Sam's strategy for building a younger squad who could make us money down the line. Pedersen's days of commanding a reasonable fee are over.

Clearly, Sam has decided that it is in our best interest to keep Pedersen so he has to be backed. His judgment has been pretty good so far. It's surprising to me but he has to be backed. Very interesting to see how much it has divided opinion though.

I'd say a majority of the clubs debt is due to unforeseen circumstances... The sacking of Ince and his backroom staff for one. We have also halved our income from gate receipts and that money has to be recouped somewhere to pay the bills.

[den]

Plus, it really isn't so difficult to see why Sam wanted him re-signed. Irrespective of his abilities - and he will find himself out of the team at times - , Sam's views are that this squad of players could have done much better if we'd have had a goalscorer in the side. Hence he's putting all his funds in that direction. That's what he wanted to do last season, but didn't have the cash.

Same squad + goalscorer/s = progress.

[waggy]

as someone else mentioned, had you bothered going to the matches you may have noticed that we finished in 10th this season. anybody would accept that again next season.

we finished 10th in the pub to,but the bickering will go on about his style of football till he goes.

[gumboots]

I'd say a majority of the clubs debt is due to unforeseen circumstances... The sacking of Ince and his backroom staff for one. We have also halved our income from gate receipts and that money has to be recouped somewhere to pay the bills.

Most clubs like most people run at a level of debt. Whilst that debt is manageable it's not a problem, provided you keep an eye on it and allow for unforeseen expenses that could push you over the level of manageability. Even sacking Ince and bringing in allardyce doesn't seem to have done that. We'd like to be in less debt as would all clubs and individuals but as longa s you are working towards that there's not really a problem

[CrazyIvan]

we finished 10th in the pub to,but the bickering will go on about his style of football till he goes.

Mostly, it appears, from you...

[braddock]

we finished 10th in the pub to,but the bickering will go on about his style of football till he goes.

maybe so, but don't make idiotic statements you can't back up without having to backtrack and change your original point.

next seasons football will be ###### at times, and i'm gutted it will be. thought i'd seen the end of the long throw but pedo has signed.

at the end of the day though we are a club punching above our weight and until we find investment we have to stay in this division by almost any means, other than screwing ourselves over financially. this is for the good of the club for the short term future. it won't be around forever. true fans support through thick and thin though. people are entitled to their grievances and to air their opinions, it's just yours rarely make sense.

[MarkBRFC71]

Plus, it really isn't so difficult to see why Sam wanted him re-signed. Irrespective of his abilities - and he will find himself out of the team at times - , Sam's views are that this squad of players could have done much better if we'd have had a goalscorer in the side. Hence he's putting all his funds in that direction. That's what he wanted to do last season, but didn't have the cash.

Same squad + goalscorer/s = progress.

But we hardly created multiple chances per game for our current strikers, and those who can score from 1 or 2 a game have names like Rooney, Drogba, Torres and Villa and cost £25m upwards.

Our focus should be on (1) finding a creative midfield player, and (2) if necessary, changing the formation to get the best from the players, particularly the strikers, that we currently have.

[LeChuck]

I've become a bit addicted to these Guardian Chalkboard things.

If you look at Pedersen's stats when he's played in central midfield, he always seems one of our busiest players. What is surprising is the amount of tackles and interceptions he does. I think you have to take in to account that his passing stats are going to be warped by the amount of set pieces he takes though.

I can understand why Sam wanted to keep him, looking at those. If he's going to be used in central midfield then I'm happy enough for him to be here, it's when he plays out wide that he's pretty useless.

[47er]

we finished 10th in the pub to,but the bickering will go on about his style of football till he goes.

You'll make sure of that.

I've become a bit addicted to these Guardian Chalkboard things.

If you look at Pedersen's stats when he's played in central midfield, he always seems one of our busiest players. What is surprising is the amount of tackles and interceptions he does. I think you have to take in to account that his passing stats are going to be warped by the amount of set pieces he takes though.

I can understand why Sam wanted to keep him, looking at those. If he's going to be used in central midfield then I'm happy enough for him to be here, it's when he plays out wide that he's pretty useless.

Stats can be quite misleading though. Don't they show Andrews to be performing at a high level?

[67splitscreen]

You'll make sure of that.

Stats can be quite misleading though. Don't they show Andrews to be performing at a high level?

Better tell Sam then, perhaps then again he use chalkboard, hence Andrews selection.

[Hughesy]

Its funny how lard@rses rent boys think this is good for the club,next season will be under way ,we will be playing hoof ball and mgp will be anonomous in most games,wasting free kicks,and hitting the first man from corners.it will be a re-run of this season,we might do the double over blackpool and find 3 worse teams in the division than us.SUPER Sam Allardyce is god

Done your run yet MARDARSE?!?!

As for hitting the first man on Corners....even from your bar stool you must have noticed we scored from quit e a few headers off corners?!

He is 25th in all time assists....and he was also our top assister last season too!

[den]

But we hardly created multiple chances per game for our current strikers, and those who can score from 1 or 2 a game have names like Rooney, Drogba, Torres and Villa and cost £25m upwards.

Our focus should be on (1) finding a creative midfield player, and (2) if necessary, changing the formation to get the best from the players, particularly the strikers, that we currently have.

Strikers can't just stand around the 6 yard box waiting for someone to do all their work for them, can they? Jeez, they have to create things themselves as well, - [You know, things like turn on the edge of the area and welly it in, power a header past the keeper from anywhere inside the area, crack one in from 25 yards, or sprint past the defender and slide the ball past the keeper] - and If they can't create their own openings, they aren't up to it.

Glad the manager sees it that way as well.

[MarkBRFC71]

That's what he wanted to do last season, but didn't have the cash.

Errrr, £6m on Kalinic and he didn't have the cash?!

Strikers can't just stand around the 6 yard box waiting for someone to do all their work for them, can they? Jeez, they have to create things themselves as well, - [You know, things like turn on the edge of the area and welly it in, power a header past the keeper from anywhere inside the area, crack one in from 25 yards, or sprint past the defender and slide the ball past the keeper] - and If they can't create their own openings, they aren't up to it.

Glad the manager sees it that way as well.

Again, you've just described Wayne Rooney et al - we simply cannot afford a player to do all that, certainly not a proven Premiership one. Is BFS admitting that signing Niko was a failure given that he cannot perform to his best in the manager's chosen system?

Buy someone to create more and better chances and/or change the system and Niko will come good.

[den]

Again, you've just described Wayne Rooney et al - we simply cannot afford a player to do all that, certainly not a proven Premiership one.

You do realise that you are arguing that we can't afford anyone up front who can create things for themselves?

Every Rovers team I've seen have had strikers who could go past a defender, or welly one in from 25 yards, or power a header past a keeper, even in the third division.

[Amo]

If we haven't been over budgeted, then why is it we are always forced to sell our best players to cover miscellaneous debts, all of our revenue is invested into wages, and only recently were we declared a trading club?

[MarkBRFC71]

You do realise that you are arguing that we can't afford anyone up front who can create things for themselves?

Every Rovers team I've seen have had strikers who could go past a defender, or welly one in from 25 yards, or power a header past a keeper, even in the third division.

You didn't see the, ahem, 'legends' that were Ashley Ward and Nathan Blake then? Lucky you ....

[unluckymorton]

If we haven't been over budgeted, then why is it we are always forced to sell our best players to cover miscellaneous debts, all of our revenue is invested into wages, and only recently were we declared a trading club?

Because we don't have the income from ST's, sponsorship & merchandise that clubs around us have. Money is tight to balance the books.

[braddock]

You do realise that you are arguing that we can't afford anyone up front who can create things for themselves?

Every Rovers team I've seen have had strikers who could go past a defender, or welly one in from 25 yards, or power a header past a keeper, even in the third division.

you do realise that it all depends on how much you can afford in the division you are in? there are plenty of players who can perform the attributes you describe in the third division against poorer defences and poorer goalkeepers who cost say £300,000. you bring them to the prem they wouldn't be able to get a touch of the ball. we are in the premiership. a player who can do what you describe in the premiership would cost a lot of money. too much money for us. what part of that do you not understand? i can't imagine lee trundle turning john terry and wacking it past cech from 25 yards unless he got a large amount of luck.

also, every rovers team? i've been able to follow for about 17 years and there have been plenty of times we haven't had one of those players. as mentioned, ward and blake. then when we had dickov pretty much on his own (who i really liked but couldn't do what you described).

[Blueheart]

well that sets Pedersen up for a rest for awhile !

Knowing that he has got another 4 year contract under his belt will allow him to take it easier...just wait and see ...

[92er]

If we haven't been over budgeted, then why is it we are always forced to sell our best players to cover miscellaneous debts, all of our revenue is invested into wages, and only recently were we declared a trading club?

Under MH we sold Kuqi and Jeffers and as a result made a profit and we also sold Bellamy because of the clause in his contract.

We have now returned to being a trading club so we don't have to sell players.

[rovers_rob]

well that sets Pedersen up for a rest for awhile !

Knowing that he has got another 4 year contract under his belt will allow him to take it easier...just wait and see ...

I disagree, he won't be distracted by his contract situation now it has been sorted and he will be able to concentrate on his game more.

He is a decent hard working premier league player and I'm glad he has signed a new deal. I admit he can be frustrating at times, but that can be said for a lot of our players and I think he will be a key player for us next season in his new central role.

[braddock]

I disagree, he won't be distracted by his contract situation now it has been sorted and he will be able to concentrate on his game more.

like he has been doing the previous two and a half years? he seems to have played better whilst he's been distracted if anything.

[den]

you do realise that it all depends on how much you can afford in the division you are in? there are plenty of players who can perform the attributes you describe in the third division against poorer defences and poorer goalkeepers who cost say £300,000. you bring them to the prem they wouldn't be able to get a touch of the ball. we are in the premiership. a player who can do what you describe in the premiership would cost a lot of money. too much money for us. what part of that do you not understand? i can't imagine lee trundle turning john terry and wacking it past cech from 25 yards unless he got a large amount of luck.

also, every rovers team? i've been able to follow for about 17 years and there have been plenty of times we haven't had one of those players. as mentioned, ward and blake. then when we had dickov pretty much on his own (who i really liked but couldn't do what you described).

OK Braddock, you keep believing, along with others, that we can only afford strikers who can do nothing for themselves. In the past three seasons alone we have had Benni, RSC, Bellamy. It's a ridiculous stance and isn't worth pursuing, so I wont.

[braddock]

OK Braddock, you keep believing, along with others, that we can only afford strikers who can do nothing for themselves. In the past three seasons alone we have had Benni, RSC, Bellamy. It's a ridiculous stance and isn't worth pursuing, so I wont.

and you have to understand that the only time we can sign these players is if they hit a blip in their careers or are blighted by injury, dragging their price well down and becoming a risk for us to sign. fortunately those transfers paid off for us. we can't keep signing players of that calibre every time as they don't come around very often given the others competing with us. believing that we can is simply naive, something i wouldn't have expected from a man who remembers the third division.

[jodrell]

we finished 10th in the pub to,but the bickering will go on about his style of football till he goes.

We/the club team finished 10th in the premier league, plus a semi final.But the bickering will go on about his style of football.

We /you and your mates may have finished 10 pints in the pub.But the bickering will go on about his style of football till he goes.

We know your feelings on Sam. If we had (as you seem to have wanted) kept HRH I**E on board we would have most certainly gone down. How many clubs came in for him? As far as I know one his previous club. How did he go on there in the first (old third) division? He couldn’t hack it blamed it on every one but himself nothing new there, finished 12th points wise closer to relegation than play offs. By the way the club must be doing something right, if you are getting a season ticket next season?