[Archived] Season Tickets 09/10

[Hughesy]

Yes is can be split - but can those 2 sets of fans be safely seperated??

[mark1875]

Yes is can be split - but can those 2 sets of fans be safely seperated??

apparantley they can!! just as it seems they will be at turf moor

[Tris]

Enough hysteria / email protests / speculation. Here are some facts.

Let's start with two Premier League rules on ticketing (anyone can read them here).

J4.9 - clubs must promote the availability of match tickets by reserving a reasonable proportion (at least 5%) of them for sale to non season ticket holders.

J7.1 - each home club shall make available to its visiting club 3,000 tickets, or if ground capacity is less than 30,000, 10% of it's ground capacity.{=3000 at Ewood, 2254 at Turd}

Rovers don't have a problem here, even if we reached the stratospheric number of 25K ST holders, we can still fulfull both of the above rules on matchday sales and away allocation - wouldn't 25K be amazing

Turd Moor holds 22,546. In recent seasons they have made 18% (ie the full cricket field) available to away fans, and have never sold enough season tickets to worry about rules. Of course this season for them - things are different.

Their initial 15,000 season tickets were snapped up in the three stands except the cricket field. Meaning they will be selling 3,420 walk up tickets per game in those three stands - well within the rules.

They have now added 1500 new STs to be sold in the cricket field - also fine. That end holds 4,126 ... so 1500 dingles, added to their minimum requirement to sell 2,255 to away fans, leaves nearly 400 spare seats to keep the two factions apart.

Now to the East Lancs derbies which posters are getting so stressed over - even before anybody knows what will actually happen.

End of facts, now speculation. Here's what I believe will happen.

There will be NO split stands at either game, just like there wasn't at the other 4 games we have enjoyed against Burnley this century. It simply won't happen - look up the thread and read the email Tom Finn has sent to Cletus, and cast your minds back to the level of careful security we were subjected to on the two recent occasions we've had to be bussed in to their place. No way will Lancs Police change any of that.

Their 1500 ST holders will be moved into the 3,240 seats normally available for walk up fans. The cricket field will be away only for the Rovers game.

The Darwen End will be Burnley only, it's then down to BRFC to decide whether to cash in or leave empty - exactly as Tom Finn says in his email to Cletus.

My guess is that the police and the clubs will agree that the last 4 occasions have gone well, all of them with full away stand availability to both sets of fans. So we'll get 4126 and they will get ~6-7000. The max possible given how the grounds are.

Please now stop the moaning and the protesting. Feel free to start it up again in several months time, if any of this post is proved to be wrong.

[stuwilky]

Tris,

Leave that one with you for the next fans forum....

[Tris]

Tris,

Leave that one with you for the next fans forum....

The derby fixtures were already discussed at the last FF, it was hinted on that occasion that the police would not allow a mix of fans in either away stand. I'm not sure if that was in the minutes, but Cletus has now published an email from BRFC which seems to reinforce it -

the two Clubs and the Police will work together to ensure that the match is trouble free. It will be unrealistic in this scenario for us to be mixing home and away fans in the Darwen End

we would anticipate allocation of the whole of the Cricket Field Stand for the use of our fans as has occurred at previous games at Turf Moor

All of which fits in with the application of the PL rules, as I've outlined above.

It will certainly be on the FF agenda again ... and the club will certainly be aware of the strength of feeling - not least through reading this thread (and emails from Cletus).

None of that will change the basics or the police view - Darwen End for them, cricket field for us.

My only aim in taking the time to put all the facts on this thread, is to stop the hysteria and negative publicity which is building up around the issue.

Rovers don't deserve it - the most amazingly priced ST deals we've ever seen are being buried under misinformation (ie groundless crap) about ticketing policy for the derby games - which isn't even finalised.

This being the major window on the internet for fans of BRFC, a more accurate picture needed to be painted.

Don't forget - if Burnley hadn't been promoted, there would still have been 4 games not included in the #150 DE deal. It remains the best deal in the 92 league clubs, no question - so don't let the complications of a local rivalry dilute that fact.

[philipl]

Tris, thanks for that.

I completely agree that some posters have totally misunderstood what is going on.

The issue is not the segregation inside the Darwen End but the alternating doors arrangement outside and single point of access to the Darwen End because of the river. Segregation outside would be an absolute nightmare if both sets of fans get into the Darwen End.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Enough hysteria / email protests / speculation. Here are some facts.

Let's start with two Premier League rules on ticketing (anyone can read them here).

Rovers don't have a problem here, even if we reached the stratospheric number of 25K ST holders, we can still fulfull both of the above rules on matchday sales and away allocation - wouldn't 25K be amazing

Turd Moor holds 22,546. In recent seasons they have made 18% (ie the full cricket field) available to away fans, and have never sold enough season tickets to worry about rules. Of course this season for them - things are different.

Their initial 15,000 season tickets were snapped up in the three stands except the cricket field. Meaning they will be selling 3,420 walk up tickets per game in those three stands - well within the rules.

They have now added 1500 new STs to be sold in the cricket field - also fine. That end holds 4,126 ... so 1500 dingles, added to their minimum requirement to sell 2,255 to away fans, leaves nearly 400 spare seats to keep the two factions apart.

Now to the East Lancs derbies which posters are getting so stressed over - even before anybody knows what will actually happen.

End of facts, now speculation. Here's what I believe will happen.

There will be NO split stands at either game, just like there wasn't at the other 4 games we have enjoyed against Burnley this century. It simply won't happen - look up the thread and read the email Tom Finn has sent to Cletus, and cast your minds back to the level of careful security we were subjected to on the two recent occasions we've had to be bussed in to their place. No way will Lancs Police change any of that.

Their 1500 ST holders will be moved into the 3,240 seats normally available for walk up fans. The cricket field will be away only for the Rovers game.

The Darwen End will be Burnley only, it's then down to BRFC to decide whether to cash in or leave empty - exactly as Tom Finn says in his email to Cletus.

My guess is that the police and the clubs will agree that the last 4 occasions have gone well, all of them with full away stand availability to both sets of fans. So we'll get 4126 and they will get ~6-7000. The max possible given how the grounds are.

Please now stop the moaning and the protesting. Feel free to start it up again in several months time, if any of this post is proved to be wrong.

Good stuff.

[4ever&ever]

Great post Tris.

To be honest I don't really mind how many they bring, the FA cup game was the best atmosphere I've ever heard at Ewood Park so let them have all the Darwen End and we will just out sing them. I do feel that it would be possible to have both sets of fans in the same stand as the police are well on top of things now adays though.

Some people really over estimate the inbreds tbh.

If anything I honestly can't see them being given a section of the Cricket Field Shack, the concourse is tiny and I'm sure that there is only one turnstile entrance there. However if they were given a section it would be at the longside side of the stand due to the coach barrier outside the stand that is made to separate the fans.

[cletus]

As for Clitus - stop your moaning man.

I`m perfectly entitled to voice my opinion Hughesy.....& it seems many others on this site have similar feelings on the subject.

Being a Rovers fan doesn`t mean you have to 'tow the official line' all the time.

I`m not sure what you do jobwise, but you like to portray the image of being 'in the know' when it comes to things going on at Ewood..... you sort of bask in it.

Me? I prefer to make up my own mind on things & not pretend i have friends in high places

.....& as for the 'Clitus' jibe, you need to grow up a bit mate

Philipl.....The issue is not the segregation inside the Darwen End but the alternating doors arrangement outside and single point of access to the Darwen End because of the river.

You can actually walk all the way around the ground. Last season we gained entry to the Riverside via the turnstiles at the Darwen End of the Riverside.

Tris.....good point well made, but i do think it needs to be brought up at the next fans forum. The club need to feel the depth of feeling on the subject.

[philipl]

I was at the WBA game and tried to walk around the ground from the Memorial Garden at the back at about 1pm and fencing barred my way.

[gumboots]

I was at the WBA game and tried to walk around the ground from the Memorial Garden at the back at about 1pm and fencing barred my way.

That's new. I used to drop my family off at the BBE and then walk round the back to the Darwen end to meet school parties.

[leftfooter]

Common sense from Tris.

I'd like to add that away fans add atmosphere to a footballing occasion, particularly in derby games (I'm talking about real derbies). That's why the atmosphere at Old Trafford when Citeh play there with a tiny percentage of the crowd is almost funereal in comparison with the atmosphere at Parkhead and Ibrox, where proper deference is paid to the tribal nature of the derby encounter, by an equitable admission policy for the respective fixtures.

It's partly for this reason (as well as the relative cr*pness of Ci'eh), that the Manchester derby has fallen in comparative prestige.

I also believe it's right that the Dingle Derby is given proper top four billing. For me it easily outstrips the other three 'big' games whether it's Ci'eh, Liverpoo or Man Yoo. Not all our younger fans are aware of this. Why should the glory hunters of the big clubs be given a full away quota when our most bitter local rivals aren't? I hope after 17th October, the likes of Vinjay (no disrespect to him, but he has the highest profile on this issue) will be thoroughly disabused of this 'main rival' fallacy.

Final point; I was wondering what the 'break-even' number of season tickets sales must be before we manage to surpass last season's income figure? It will be interesting to see if we are considered for extra TV games, given that the TV companies should now see us as a more attractive proposition as the atmosphere should be better. This should raise unanticipated revenue - or is the package global and not subject to a premium on any extra matches broadcast?

I think John William's has gone some way in retrieving some semblance of credibility on this matter after the debacle of the Ince tenure.

[Hughesy]

Enough hysteria / email protests / speculation. Here are some facts.

Here's what I believe will happen.

There will be NO split stands at either game, just like there wasn't at the other 4 games we have enjoyed against Burnley this century. It simply won't happen - look up the thread and read the email Tom Finn has sent to Cletus, and cast your minds back to the level of careful security we were subjected to on the two recent occasions we've had to be bussed in to their place. No way will Lancs Police change any of that.

Their 1500 ST holders will be moved into the 3,240 seats normally available for walk up fans. The cricket field will be away only for the Rovers game.

The Darwen End will be Burnley only, it's then down to BRFC to decide whether to cash in or leave empty - exactly as Tom Finn says in his email to Cletus.

My guess is that the police and the clubs will agree that the last 4 occasions have gone well, all of them with full away stand availability to both sets of fans. So we'll get 4126 and they will get ~6-7000. The max possible given how the grounds are.

Please now stop the moaning and the protesting. Feel free to start it up again in several months time, if any of this post is proved to be wrong.

Rovers don't deserve it - the most amazingly priced ST deals we've ever seen are being buried under misinformation (ie groundless crap) about ticketing policy for the derby games - which isn't even finalised.

2 very good posts and exactly how I see it too. Thanks

[stuwilky]

Interestingly (or rather tediously)

The Season Ticket pack has arrived at Chez stuwilky whilst I was away on holidays.

So I bought a ST and got one - the others in my house who have not purchased still havnt got one.

Any ideas what precisely is going on?

How hard is this?

[cletus]

Received my ST pack through the post this morning.....& very well presented it is too

As i said before, i`ve already gone & bought 2 STs, so i am going to pass the pack onto my mate. He`s mulling over getting one. Hopefully he will take the plunge.

Any news on how well the Darwen End STs are going? Last time i looked on onerovers, it looked like a few hundred had been sold.

[4ever&ever]

Any news on how well the Darwen End STs are going? Last time i looked on onerovers, it looked like a few hundred had been sold.

We've just got 6 today, another one of my mates is getting one soon, they said at the ticket office that sales have picked up over the last few days due to the lack of available seats in the riverside (singles only) and blackburn end (sold out.)

Got a friend at work who is considering getting one for the 1st time, are there any seats in the family stand available still ? I got him into it last year so hoping him and his son will get a ticket. Also trying to get my brother to get one because he is living at home again now and travelling to Uni.

[gumboots]

Waasn't the BBEupper more or less sold out too, barring unrenewed season tickets? Whether there are any available now will depend on how many, like me, waited till the last day or two to renew.

[Ossydave]

Has anyone had any feedback from the TO with regards to a seat transfer?

We put our names down for one to hopefully get a better seat in the B'burn end, wasn't too hopeful mind.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Waasn't the BBEupper more or less sold out too, barring unrenewed season tickets? Whether there are any available now will depend on how many, like me, waited till the last day or two to renew.

Plenty of seats available but more to the outer sections of the BBE upper.....appear to be selling well too.

Jack Walker stand and Dawen End lower is where most availability is.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Plenty of seats available but more to the outer sections of the BBE upper.....appear to be selling well too.

Jack Walker stand and Dawen End lower is where most availability is.

I heard someone say "there's only a few wing tickets left for the shed" yesterday. As they weren't Chelsea fans I presume they meant The Riverside?

[brightonrover]

Went to buy some tat from the club shop this morning and the ticket office seemed pretty busy with steady queues - hopefully a good sign.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Went to buy some tat from the club shop this morning and the ticket office seemed pretty busy with steady queues - hopefully a good sign.

Hello Costanza

[eddiewac]

Just out of interest, are they keeping back any seats for putting on sale on match days? or when people say the riverside and blackburn ends are sold, it literally means every seat is taken by a season ticket holder?

[4ever&ever]

Yeah it was pay day this week for a number of people so we may see a number of season tickets sold over the week.

[dazmaz]

Has anyone had any feedback from the TO with regards to a seat transfer?

We put our names down for one to hopefully get a better seat in the B'burn end, wasn't too hopeful mind.

not heard anything myself yet either, and im guessing anyone who requested on on here hasnt either due to the lack of posts about it, i would think that the BBe is fully sold out (i go on my own) thus no xfers can be done unless someone wants to move to the area you sit. same really seeing as they messed up with my seat and now im stuck in NO1 row 1