[Archived] Season Tickets 09/10

[DanLad]

Just out of interest, are they keeping back any seats for putting on sale on match days? or when people say the riverside and blackburn ends are sold, it literally means every seat is taken by a season ticket holder?

It doesn't make commercial sense to hold back any tickets, I think. So presumably they are literally sold out!

[dazmaz]

It doesn't make commercial sense to hold back any tickets, I think. So presumably they are literally sold out!

just rang the TO to see if there is any single seats in the BBe, the lady said it is a complete sell out. she also said and xfers would only happen if someone wants to move into the area where your seat is and you want to move where theirs is

[unsall]

Enough hysteria / email protests / speculation. Here are some facts.

Let's start with two Premier League rules on ticketing (anyone can read them here).

Rovers don't have a problem here, even if we reached the stratospheric number of 25K ST holders, we can still fulfull both of the above rules on matchday sales and away allocation - wouldn't 25K be amazing

Turd Moor holds 22,546. In recent seasons they have made 18% (ie the full cricket field) available to away fans, and have never sold enough season tickets to worry about rules. Of course this season for them - things are different.

Their initial 15,000 season tickets were snapped up in the three stands except the cricket field. Meaning they will be selling 3,420 walk up tickets per game in those three stands - well within the rules.

They have now added 1500 new STs to be sold in the cricket field - also fine. That end holds 4,126 ... so 1500 dingles, added to their minimum requirement to sell 2,255 to away fans, leaves nearly 400 spare seats to keep the two factions apart.

Now to the East Lancs derbies which posters are getting so stressed over - even before anybody knows what will actually happen.

End of facts, now speculation. Here's what I believe will happen.

There will be NO split stands at either game, just like there wasn't at the other 4 games we have enjoyed against Burnley this century. It simply won't happen - look up the thread and read the email Tom Finn has sent to Cletus, and cast your minds back to the level of careful security we were subjected to on the two recent occasions we've had to be bussed in to their place. No way will Lancs Police change any of that.

Their 1500 ST holders will be moved into the 3,240 seats normally available for walk up fans. The cricket field will be away only for the Rovers game.

The Darwen End will be Burnley only, it's then down to BRFC to decide whether to cash in or leave empty - exactly as Tom Finn says in his email to Cletus.

My guess is that the police and the clubs will agree that the last 4 occasions have gone well, all of them with full away stand availability to both sets of fans. So we'll get 4126 and they will get ~6-7000. The max possible given how the grounds are.

Please now stop the moaning and the protesting. Feel free to start it up again in several months time, if any of this post is proved to be wrong.

At last someone with a bit of sense,I cannot believe some of the negative comments re the club after all they have done for us,as above, you cannot compare the two grounds because ours is much bigger,and don't forget those extra 1500 seats at Burnley are costing £359,so which club is looking after the fans better OURS.A lot of fans are parnoid about two fixture,I have even heard people say as long as we beat burnley they are not bothered if we go down ,crazy.I agree with Jan and Tom Finn and think we will get the whole end at their place,they will still have to move at cup games and i think the police will make sure that we get all the end,lets move on and be thankfull at the deal we are getting,just go on other club sites and check the prices of season tickets eg Blackpool £459,if at the end of the day if we had fans mixing and it kicked off,we could end up with serious implications with the premier league,it's not worth it,especially as everything worked out ok the last two fixtures we played each other,leave it to the people who know what they are doing..........

[Fife Rover]

I am confused (again). I got a letter from Rovers this morning confirming that I had got the seat I picked in the JW Upper, but no ticket was enclosed! ???? I have not had a S/T since moving up here in 1979, so I dont know how the system works these days. Can anyone enlighten me as to what is supposed to happen and when? Thanks in anticipation.

[cn174]

I am confused (again). I got a letter from Rovers this morning confirming that I had got the seat I picked in the JW Upper, but no ticket was enclosed! ???? I have not had a S/T since moving up here in 1979, so I dont know how the system works these days. Can anyone enlighten me as to what is supposed to happen and when? Thanks in anticipation.

Your season ticket will come in early August. No need to start panicking just yet!

[Fife Rover]

Your season ticket will come in early August. No need to start panicking just yet!

Thankyou Clare....I can sleep easy tonight now.

[blue phil]

Tris, thanks for that.

I completely agree that some posters have totally misunderstood what is going on.

The issue is not the segregation inside the Darwen End but the alternating doors arrangement outside and single point of access to the Darwen End because of the river. Segregation outside would be an absolute nightmare if both sets of fans get into the Darwen End.

This could be easily solved by ensuring the away fans are inside the ground a half hour or an hour before the kick off and kept there for a similar period of time afterwards . It's not rocket science - in fact it's very simple .

And can I emphasise , as others have done , that this is NOT a criticism of the Rovers season ticketing policy . It's an entirely different matter . (Take note , Tris !!)

The main problem I see - in fact the only major problem that a so-called professional police force might encounter - is the situation at Turf Moor which is a much older ground with the Cricket Stand less open to being segregated . But that's their problem not ours ; why should that mean we have to cater for their deficiencies ?

[ABBEY]

Correct me if im wrong but the cricket stand has only 1 set of turnstyles?

[stuwilky]

Correct me if im wrong but the cricket stand has only 1 set of turnstyles?

They do at present, but are apparently doing some work to t'other side.

[Tris]

This could be easily solved by ensuring the away fans are inside the ground a half hour or an hour before the kick off and kept there for a similar period of time afterwards . It's not rocket science - in fact it's very simple .

So what happens when half of them choose to ignore the instruction and then hundreds of Burnley fans are looking to jump the Rovers fans trying to access the Darwen End?

In fact - how on earth do you "ensure" that any of them are rounded up and in the ground by the stated time? Or that Rovers fans are going to stand quietly in a line somewhere until precisely 30 mins before kick off when it's meant to be their turn to access the turnstiles?

Recipe for carnage. You've not really thought it through have you? When plod turns away all the Burnley latecomers they will go and trash the locality. There'd be no windows left on Bolton Road. Crazy idea.

[AggyBlue]

Recipe for carnage.

Stop pissing your pants.

Good job you weren't around in the 70's.

[Ritchie]

The simple fact is that there will be 7000 passionate Clarets in the Darwen End because it the safest option. Celtic supporters have an entire stand to themselves everytime they visit Ibrox. Why? Because it's the safest option. Safety has to be the most important aspect here.

As for Facebook protests, bloody hell fire.

[blue phil]

Well Tris , I'll try and pretend I'm a top copper (by banging my head against a brick wall for a while ....) and come up with a suitable solution .

Ah yes , I think I have it already .

Firstly , you make it conditional for the 4,000 Dingles to be specially bussed from the Turf to Ewood an hour before the game ; with a police escort all the way . And after the game you reverse the process . Nobody who doesn't come off the bus gets into the ground .

Now I'm presuming that even the most retarded of Dingles will actually want to see the game - therefore they'll comply .

I'll even go as far to suggest that this would be more compliant with saftey concerns than the alternative of having 7000 dingles do the same ; the fewer the numbers the easier for the police to control .

Secondly you warn Rovers fans that will be arrested if they are floating around the Darwen End before the Dingles are safely in their pen . No Rovers fan needs to in the ground an hour before kick off .

Like I said before , it's all very simple if organised correctly . For some reason , Tris , you're looking for problems that needn't exist in your desire to support everything the club pronounces on .

[ABBEY]

The simple fact is that there will be 7000 passionate Clarets in the Darwen End because it the safest option. Celtic supporters have an entire stand to themselves everytime they visit Ibrox. Why? Because it's the safest option. Safety has to be the most important aspect here.

As for Facebook protests, bloody hell fire.

this argument falls down as soon as you look at the idea of a split cricket end.

[Ritchie]

Segregation will be much easier to attain at Turf Moor due to the make-up of the Cricket Field stand. Not so at Ewood Park.

Get over it.

[Tris]

Like I said before , it's all very simple if organised correctly .

Well off you pop and get yourself a meeting with plod then - I look forward to seeing Rovers fans in the Darwen end on October 17th.

You'll persuade them to take up your idea no problem, it's so simple. And you articulate it so well.

[ABBEY]

Segregation will be much easier to attain at Turf Moor due to the make-up of the Cricket Field stand. Not so at Ewood Park.

Get over it.

get over what?

the stand at turd currently has 1 way in and one way out and no segregation....whilst the darwen end has umpteen turnstyles ,gates for segregation and a designated "no mans land" which as been used before.

get over it.

[Ritchie]

get over what?

the stand at turd currently has 1 way in and one way out and no segregation....whilst the darwen end has umpteen turnstyles ,gates for segregation and a designated "no mans land" which as been used before.

get over it.

The club has made its decision. It was made in the interests of safety.

Should be a cracking atmosphere as a result.

[stuwilky]

So what happens when half of them choose to ignore the instruction and then hundreds of Burnley fans are looking to jump the Rovers fans trying to access the Darwen End?

Bubble match - Match tickets issued on coach on the way out and coaches drop off directly outside turnstiles with no ability to get anywhere else.

How long were we in the Cricket Field for last time? What about at Feyennoord!!!

Given some sensible preparations it is utterly possible logistically. I suspect it is entirely due to the police though - but your comments on the Cricket Field are interesting - I think Rovers should look at getting assurances on that prior to the ticketing arrangements for the Ewood match being confirmed.

Segregation will be much easier to attain at Turf Moor due to the make-up of the Cricket Field stand. Not so at Ewood Park.

You mean one stand with one concourse and no big steel doors separating the sides - or a top tier....

[ABBEY]

not to mention one set of toilets.

[Ritchie]

You mean one stand with one concourse and no big steel doors separating the sides - or a top tier....

Meh... the decision has been made, so there's no use bleating over it.

not to mention one set of toilets.

If you produce as much crap in real life as you do on here, that may be a problem...

[ABBEY]

Meh... the decision has been made, so there's no use bleating over it.

If you produce as much crap in real life as you do on here, that may be a problem...

i may produce crap but at least i dont smell of it like you dingles.

[stuwilky]

Meh... the decision has been made, so there's no use bleating over it.

Indeed, but in reality only part of the decision has been made. And as this match is incredibly important the club really need to try and get it right. As do Lancashire Police.

Fan input it part of that, misinterpreting the concerns raised in this thread, as some have, to be about the Season Ticket package is a bit of a red herring - but it seems the natural place to discuss the excluded fixture.

I suspect the club have made an "easy" decision based on initial discussions with the police - rather than exploring all the combinations as they should have done (especially given that we dont know what the arrangements are for the Cricket Field at the Dingle Dome. Can anyone imagine Burnley v Stoke in a make shift segregated area?

Should Burnley receive more than about 5000 tickets then serious questions need to be asked as to why - especially if we only receive circa 2500.

Surely it is right to raise those concerns now?

[sambo]

Apparently Tom Finn emailed a fan saying it was purely a financial decision. Which is horrendous!

[Ritchie]

Indeed, but in reality only part of the decision has been made. And as this match is incredibly important the club really need to try and get it right. As do Lancashire Police.

Fan input it part of that, misinterpreting the concerns raised in this thread, as some have, to be about the Season Ticket package is a bit of a red herring - but it seems the natural place to discuss the excluded fixture.

I suspect the club have made an "easy" decision based on initial discussions with the police - rather than exploring all the combinations as they should have done (especially given that we dont know what the arrangements are for the Cricket Field at the Dingle Dome. Can anyone imagine Burnley v Stoke in a make shift segregated area?

Should Burnley receive more than about 5000 tickets then serious questions need to be asked as to why - especially if we only receive circa 2500.

Surely it is right to raise those concerns now?

Fair comments.

I think Burnley v Man United will be an early indication if segregation can be maintained safely...

Apparently Tom Finn emailed a fan saying it was purely a financial decision. Which is horrendous!

Indeed... if segregation isn't an option... then sell as many tickets as possible at £35. Common business sense - sensible, not horrendous.