[Archived] Season Tickets 09/10

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Safety has to be the most important aspect here.

If that be the case then why does it appear Burnley football club and the Police are prepared to take the risk of having both sets of fans in a near condemned stand at Turf Morgue that was NOT designed for segregation?

Just who the hell is kidding who here?

I really do hope we get the full cricket field stand in the end but you would have thought Burnley would have made clear to prospective season ticket holder in there that they would be relocated for that one game.

A bit more clarity from BOTH sides would not go a miss here.

[Ritchie]

If that be the case then why does it appear Burnley football club and the Police are prepared to take the risk of having both sets of fans in a near condemned stand at Turf Morgue that was NOT designed for segregation?

Just who the hell is kidding who here?

I really do hope we get the full cricket field stand in the end but you would have thought Burnley would have made clear to prospective season ticket holder in there that they would be relocated for that one game.

A bit more clarity from BOTH sides would not go a miss here.

Maybe one for the Fans Forum?

Is it a case of double standards from the police?

[Paul Mellelieu]

Could we move the Burnley stuff to another thread.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

This is what we are trying to establish here Richie.

Tom Finn appears to believe we will be given the whole stand IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY...most of us are unsure?

[Ritchie]

I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Like I've said, the decision has been made for the Ewood fixture, so we have to live with it.

[cletus]

QUOTE (stuwilky @ Jul 4 2009, 16:28 )

You mean one stand with one concourse and no big steel doors separating the sides - or a top tier....

Meh... the decision has been made, so there's no use bleating over it.

QUOTE (ABBEY @ Jul 4 2009, 16:29 )

not to mention one set of toilets.

If you produce as much crap in real life as you do on here, that may be a problem...

That`s the spirit Ritchie! If somebody makes a decision you disagree with......shrug your shoulders & take it. Put your hands over your ears & shout "La la la la!" until it goes away.

The only way we can possibly get anything done about this 'situation' is to vent our feelings & let the club know how WE (the paying public) feel.

[cletus]

Indeed, but in reality only part of the decision has been made. And as this match is incredibly important the club really need to try and get it right. As do Lancashire Police.

Fan input it part of that, misinterpreting the concerns raised in this thread, as some have, to be about the Season Ticket package is a bit of a red herring - but it seems the natural place to discuss the excluded fixture.

I suspect the club have made an "easy" decision based on initial discussions with the police - rather than exploring all the combinations as they should have done (especially given that we dont know what the arrangements are for the Cricket Field at the Dingle Dome. Can anyone imagine Burnley v Stoke in a make shift segregated area?

Should Burnley receive more than about 5000 tickets then serious questions need to be asked as to why - especially if we only receive circa 2500.

Surely it is right to raise those concerns now?

My thoughts exactly stuwilky

Fan input.....the club seem to have already made their minds up without taking Rovers fans into consideration. Instead of approaching the 'situation' with a "how can we get as many of our fans to see this game?", it looks like they`ve taken the 'easy' decision of giving the dingles the whole end because it`s the easiest thing to do.

The Darwen End is designed to hold two sets of fans....they`ve done it tons of times. It holds around 8000 seats & can easily have 3000 of each sets of fans in it with a netted off no-mans-land in the middle & at the front.

Some people on here seem to be running scared, thinking every dingle is a complete nutter. That`s rubbish!.

Rovers & the police could 'insist' any dingle who applies for a ticket for the game at Ewood gets vigorously vetted by Bumley FC & the police. They could offer tickets to long-time club members only. It`s not a hard thing to do. It just needs a little bit of alternative thinking & imagination.

That`s why these questions need to be asked.

[sambo]

Fair comments.

I think Burnley v Man United will be an early indication if segregation can be maintained safely...

Indeed... if segregation isn't an option... then sell as many tickets as possible at £35. Common business sense - sensible, not horrendous.

Still, don't like money going before the fans. Especially for such a big game. And for one game, unlikely to make a huge difference. Burnley haven't gone down the money route.

[philipl]

Nobody has remotely put up a convincing argument to counter what Tris wrote.

The Rovers have done an absolutely brilliant job with season tickets for this new season. On the back of that therte has been an over-reaction based ignoring the fact that Ewood is 50% bigger than t'Turd. It looks likely Rovers will get the entire Cricket Field stand which is proportionately the same relative to the overall ground size as the Darwen End is at Ewood. The Cricket Field season ticket holders will get shifted just like our Darwen End holders will be if I read Tris correctly.

Let's be honest, it is debatable whether we could sell 23,000 home tickets even for the visit of the dingles based on most attendances seen at Ewood last season.

[stuwilky]

It looks likely Rovers will get the entire Cricket Field stand which is proportionately the same relative to the overall ground size as the Darwen End is at Ewood. The Cricket Field season ticket holders will get shifted just like our Darwen End holders will be if I read Tris correctly.

The key issue philip is where you have put "likely" I would put "possible"

It is only one theory put forward by a member of this messageboard - Tom Finn's comments on the matter are somewhat vague.

Proportional size is also a misnomer - do United give a crap about that when they give everyone else 2900?

[Ritchie]

That`s the spirit Ritchie! If somebody makes a decision you disagree with......shrug your shoulders & take it. Put your hands over your ears & shout "La la la la!" until it goes away.

The only way we can possibly get anything done about this 'situation' is to vent our feelings & let the club know how WE (the paying public) feel.

Let me know how the Facebook campaign goes on, cletus.

Still, don't like money going before the fans. Especially for such a big game. And for one game, unlikely to make a huge difference. Burnley haven't gone down the money route.

Welcome to football in 2009.

To be fair to Williams, he's shafting the Burnley fans if anything. Darwen Enders can buy a cheaper ticket elsewhere.

[Ben-2000]

The key issue philip is where you have put "likely" I would put "possible"

It is only one theory put forward by a member of this messageboard - Tom Finn's comments on the matter are somewhat vague.

Proportional size is also a misnomer - do United give a crap about that when they give everyone else 2900?

Exactly, he's presuming that we will get the whole end on the basis of the last game at t'Turd when they didn't have home fans in the Cricket Field Stand. He admitted himself that no discussions have yet took place.

[cletus]

Is there any chance of mods doing a simple poll on the subject? to see what the depth of feeling is amongst messageboard members?

something along the lines of.....

Do you agree with the clubs plans to allocate Bumley the whole Darwen End?

YES........

NO.........

I`M NOT ARSED.......

[1864roverite]

The simple fact is that there will be 7000 passionate Clarets in the Darwen End because it the safest option.

I would have thought it was 7000 morons in the Darwen End for this particular game rather than "passionate" clarrots

[Stuart]

To be fair to Williams, he's shafting the Burnley fans if anything. Darwen Enders can buy a cheaper ticket elsewhere.

Not really. Those Darwen Enders you describe are season ticket holders and as such should qualify for subsidised tickets. Even Burnley have the same principle for treating loyals fans better than hangers-on...

I think you'll find walk-on home tickets will be the same price as away ones - as much as I'd like us to charge Burnley fans disproportionately more for the privelige of gracing Ewood Park.

[American]

Let's be honest, it is debatable whether we could sell 23,000 home tickets even for the visit of the dingles based on most attendances seen at Ewood last season.

With one stand sold out and another on its way to being? Base it on the 3 matches with similar pricing and you'll see we probably can.

Another reason I'm hesitant to get the DE season ticket is that it won't guarantee me tickets to the Burnley match, it will just give me first shot at buying them along with the other DE season ticket holders.

[Ritchie]

Not really. Those Darwen Enders you describe are season ticket holders and as such should qualify for subsidised tickets. Even Burnley have the same principle for treating loyals fans better than hangers-on...

I think you'll find walk-on home tickets will be the same price as away ones - as much as I'd like us to charge Burnley fans disproportionately more for the privelige of gracing Ewood Park.

It's that's true, then I stand corrected.

But Williams has to maximise revenue, even if it means fleecing away supporters as well as Darwen Enders.

[Stuart]

With one stand sold out and another on its way to being? Base it on the 3 matches with similar pricing and you'll see we probably can.

Another reason I'm hesitant to get the DE season ticket is that it won't guarantee me tickets to the Burnley match, it will just give me first shot at buying them along with the other DE season ticket holders.

Right there is an in-sight to what it must be to be a United supporter.

I wish we were popular enough for there to be a scramble for tickets on a regular basis. The Burnley game is probably the nearest we are going to get - although this S/T offer may mean we have 3 or 4 games where that is the case.

It's great that tickets for the "high interest" games are going to be hard to get hold of again. Great psychological boost.

Get yourself a DE S/T American - one day there might be a waiting list! (I can dream...)

But Williams has to maximise revenue, even if it means fleecing away supporters as well as Darwen Enders.

If successful, that's exactly what the season ticket policy this year will do! The downside is that if it isn't we may lose walk on supporters.

Anyway, it's about time away supporters paid 'proper P/L prices' for Ewood games. It's sickening the price we get charged to go away compared to what we traditionally charge.

[philipl]

With one stand sold out and another on its way to being? Base it on the 3 matches with similar pricing and you'll see we probably can.

Another reason I'm hesitant to get the DE season ticket is that it won't guarantee me tickets to the Burnley match, it will just give me first shot at buying them along with the other DE season ticket holders.

Taking Tris' quote of the Premier League rule book:

J4.9 - clubs must promote the availability of match tickets by reserving a reasonable proportion (at least 5%) of them for sale to non season ticket holders.

It would be amazing if Rovers had sufficient demand to be able to sell 28,000 season tickets- all the Blackburn End, all the Riverside, all the Jack Walker and all the Darwen End lower- that would DOUBLE last season's total. Even if the demand were there for 28,000 STs, the club would be forced to hold back 1,400 seats for walk-ons.

It only needs the 28,000-1,400= 25,600 to be 2,900 less ie 22,700 ST ticket sales and EVERY Darwen Ender will be absolutely certain to be able to get a £25 ticket elsewhere in the ground for the dingles clash.

So American, your fear only becomes remotely real if Rovers sell 22,700 or more STs- more than the club has ever sold in its history.

I really don't think you have any reason to be concerned and can buy a Darwen End ST in great confidence that you will see the Burnley game even if it is in the company of 7,000 dingles.

This whole issue is so out of proportion as to be ludicrous.

I really hope I am wrong and the club sell out the Darwen End scheme and the Jack Walker allocation of STs as well, but seriously, is that going to happen???

[stuwilky]

This whole issue is so out of proportion as to be ludicrous.

As ludicrous as giving your biggest local rivals 25% of the capacity of your ground?

No, probably not.

[philipl]

If we get the Cricket Field stand and if Burnley get 7000 in the Darwen End, the proportions of the respective grounds' capacities are roughly the same at 20-22%.

[stuwilky]

If we get the Cricket Field stand and if Burnley get 7000 in the Darwen End, the proportions of the respective grounds' capacities are roughly the same at 20-22%.

I dont disagree, hence my earlier posting that we should not be rushing to confirm those arrangements until we have assurances publicly from Burnley that is the case - as there is currently nothing to suggest that Burnley FC season ticket holders in the cricket field will have to be relocated where the police request it (or in special circumstances). Like we used to do back in the recent past of selling Darren End season tickets.

The Burnley website mentions cup matches only, nothing about league matches.

I do not see that ensuring that is the case to be "ludicrous".

[Ewood Spark]

Any news on how well the Darwen End STs are going? Last time i looked on onerovers, it looked like a few hundred had been sold.

364 according to onerovers.co.uk.

[philipl]

364 according to onerovers.co.uk.

Working on the basis that there are always at least 2,000 STs sold in the last two weeks before the season opener, that number probably needs to get to around 2,000 before the City game goes on sale to prevent City being game number 4.

Remember, City always bring infiltration problems which causes restrictions for walk-ons.

[Stuart]

364 according to onerovers.co.uk.

I'm assuming you've counted the seats. What about the 2 (out of 4) sections 'greyed out'. I assumed half the DE had been sold.

Am I missing something?