[Archived] Blackburn Rovers Transfer Topic

[Hi Mack]

Can't really see Owen Coyle asking about Luca Toni, can you?

He might have asked what odds Luca Toni was to score against Scotland once?

[LeChuck]

Can't really see Owen Coyle asking about Luca Toni, can you?

I'm sure one of the clues was that he needs a bit of work as well, which I took to be more of an up-and-coming type rather than someone coming toward the end of his career. Very much doubt it will be Toni either way.

[BRFC1995]

Is a penalty not a goal then? I didn't realise that.

McCarthy scores goals.

Roberts in the same amount of games will score less goals than Benni.

Hense Benni McCarthy has a Champions League winners medal in his house and Jason Roberts has a Championship runners up medal.

not if you put roberts on pens, or pedersen..........actually pedersen would look a decent player at the end of a season if he had 5 or 6 extra goals from pens to his name, and when they are removed from mccarthy the realisation dawns that from open play he offers nothing with his "magnificent finishing" weighing in with a princly 9 goals in 2 seasons from open play. there are some daft managers around and i'd be made up if someone bought benni ahead of roberts at least roberts defends from the front and does'nt sulk.

[ROVERS]

http://www.fansfc.com/story/12239.html

somone please stop Big Sam in the reported interest. Do not know how true this report is, however having and one of them would already be bad, not to mentioned having both! Adding on to the misery, 7.5 mil for both of them is madness!

Smith and Nolan............. NO

[BuckyRover]

Absolute rubbish.

There is no way we would give Newcastle a 1million profit on Nolan after they have been relegated. They have to take a hit.

[67splitscreen]

Worth a cheeky bid???

Gelson Fernandez

[Earlydoors]

Still sorting out managers - ........Maybe Preston too shortly

Wot's that Nicko? Alan Irvine to Newcastle ?

[Fylde Coast Fan]

Anything reported in:

FansFC

Teamtalk

Goal.com

Daily Star

Daily Express

Without a secondary source they've totally lifted it from, should be considered "utter balls" until confirmed by a reputable reporter or a statement from the club itself. Saves a lot of time.

[bats]

Anything reported in:

FansFC

Teamtalk

Goal.com

Daily Star

Daily Express

Without a secondary source they've totally lifted it from, should be considered "utter balls" until confirmed by a reputable reporter or a statement from the club itself. Saves a lot of time.

Don't forget tribal football!!

[patrickvalery]

not if you put roberts on pens, or pedersen..........actually pedersen would look a decent player at the end of a season if he had 5 or 6 extra goals from pens to his name, and when they are removed from mccarthy the realisation dawns that from open play he offers nothing with his "magnificent finishing" weighing in with a princly 9 goals in 2 seasons from open play. there are some daft managers around and i'd be made up if someone bought benni ahead of roberts at least roberts defends from the front and does'nt sulk.

Totally agree. Best post i've seen in a while. Someone else posted stats of McCarthy and Roberts over a set period a few pages back. On Benni's stats they included games, goals and assists. On Roberts it was only games and goals. I meant to comment on it then but for one reason and another i didn't get round to it. But the comparison was ridiculous. Robert' game is about more than goals. His sheer presence creates openings for others. Don't get me wrong, i'm not his biggest fan. But when i hear people talking about McCarthy's natural ability it makes me laugh. He is lazy and has a belief in his own ability far over and above that which is accurate. Roberts is a grafter and gives his all for the cause. He may never be a superstar but he is honest and hardworking. I'd have got rid of McCarthy a long time ago. I don't know the stats, but i reckon even Dickov had a better return than 9 goals from open play in 2 seasons.

[thenodrog]

I don't know the stats, but i reckon even Dickov had a better return than 9 goals from open play in 2 seasons.

Shefki Kuqi got 7 in one season didn't he? Hows that for a comparison that BM might like to consider.

[JAL]

The news is there's no news...some odd moves being set up around the place but nothing falling into place yet.

Still sorting out managers - Celtic, West Brom [probably], Swansea, Watford. Maybe Preston too shortly. And, of course, Newcastle.

No surprise it's still quiet on the player front.

Govou to Wolves.

[Guest benmaxwell]

http://www.fansfc.com/story/12239.html

5 words: Written by a Newcastle supporter...

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Totally agree. Best post i've seen in a while. Someone else posted stats of McCarthy and Roberts over a set period a few pages back. On Benni's stats they included games, goals and assists. On Roberts it was only games and goals. I meant to comment on it then but for one reason and another i didn't get round to it. But the comparison was ridiculous. Robert' game is about more than goals. His sheer presence creates openings for others. Don't get me wrong, i'm not his biggest fan. But when i hear people talking about McCarthy's natural ability it makes me laugh. He is lazy and has a belief in his own ability far over and above that which is accurate. Roberts is a grafter and gives his all for the cause. He may never be a superstar but he is honest and hardworking. I'd have got rid of McCarthy a long time ago. I don't know the stats, but i reckon even Dickov had a better return than 9 goals from open play in 2 seasons.

You would have got 'rid of McCarthy a long time ago' ?? that discredits everything else you say. 'Lazy'? change the record, he's finished top scorer at the club twice in three years, i dont care if he's lazy as he does the business. If i had the choice between a hard working striker who fails to score regularly (Dickov/Roberts) or a 'lazy' striker who can hit 20+ in a league season, i would take the latter every single time.

I dont think Roberts is up to much, yes he's big and creates openings but thats not enough without the goals. Who would you rather have in a one on one situation eh? Roberts is very very usefull to have but he is a very poor finisher. There were at least 3 games last season when he had a 1 v 1 opportunity to win the match and failed to score. If he could finish, as everyone in the media has said for the past 3/4 years, he would be an exceptional player. But, he cant and he never will. If Roberts left it would be a shame but nothing more.

[patrickvalery]

striker who can hit 20+ in a league season,

And this discredits everything you say good sir.

This was exactly my point. He hasn't hit these heights in the last two seasons. 9 goals from open play proves this. I'm not sure what your point is? I stated i'm not Roberts' biggest fan. But i prefer watching him give 100% every week over Benni poncing about under the pretence of being a world class striker. The man lost his desire to wear the shirt the minute Chelsea came calling. He can't even keep himself fit.

Roberts will never be anything more than a mid table premier league striker. I admit that. But Benni could have been and passed up the oppotunity. A club like ours can do without ego's like that. If he was all that, he would be long gone. The fact is he is a egoistical turd who we'd not want to sign if he played for anyone else. He makes lame excuses not to play for his country for god sake. But you know what? If he did produce the 20+ goals a season which you speak of, then i am shallow enough to forgive everything else. I openly admit that. However he hasn't for too long now.

I guess what it somes down to is, i'd rather see Roberts try but fail than benni not try and still fail.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want a side full of commitment and no ability. Of sourse not. But i'm tired of seeing our 'best players' such as Benni just looking like they're turning up for their weekly pay check. Its a sad reflection of todays football i guess. Maybe i expect too much to find talent and commitment shown by the likes of Tugay, Friedel, Jansen, Shearer, Hendry etc...

[Tom 1]

Villa won't buy Santa Cruz I doubt, as for twice the player Carew is when fully fit, well I think a (for once) completely fit John Carew has shown that's definitely not the case, Santa Cruz has had one good year at Blackburn, was nothing special at his previous club before Blackburn and has a bad attitude to boot. Keep him lads.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

And this discredits everything you say good sir.

This was exactly my point. He hasn't hit these heights in the last two seasons. 9 goals from open play proves this. I'm not sure what your point is? I stated i'm not Roberts' biggest fan. But i prefer watching him give 100% every week over Benni poncing about under the pretence of being a world class striker. The man lost his desire to wear the shirt the minute Chelsea came calling. He can't even keep himself fit.

Roberts will never be anything more than a mid table premier league striker. I admit that. But Benni could have been and passed up the oppotunity. A club like ours can do without ego's like that. If he was all that, he would be long gone. The fact is he is a egoistical turd who we'd not want to sign if he played for anyone else. He makes lame excuses not to play for his country for god sake. But you know what? If he did produce the 20+ goals a season which you speak of, then i am shallow enough to forgive everything else. I openly admit that. However he hasn't for too long now.

I guess what it somes down to is, i'd rather see Roberts try but fail than benni not try and still fail.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want a side full of commitment and no ability. Of sourse not. But i'm tired of seeing our 'best players' such as Benni just looking like they're turning up for their weekly pay check. Its a sad reflection of todays football i guess. Maybe i expect too much to find talent and commitment shown by the likes of Tugay, Friedel, Jansen, Shearer, Hendry etc...

My point is that Benni is a better player than Roberts and for you to say that you'd want rid of Benni just because of his ego and laziness despite the fact that he scores far more frequently and has hit 20 goals in a premier league season (yes he's only done it once, but thats one more then Jason will ever get), is quite a shallow reason. Roberts fits into a poor premier league side, hard working but lacking in quality. Benni has that quality. He's no world beater, and i agree that on occasions his ego has got the better of him, but thats not enough to sell him as he is a level above Roberts.

[Hughesy]

My point is that Benni is a better player than Roberts. Benni has that quality. He's no world beater, and i agree that on occasions his ego has got the better of him, but thats not enough to sell him as he is a level above Roberts.

+1 to that!

[neekoy]

This was exactly my point. He hasn't hit these heights in the last two seasons.

My point is that Benni is a better player than Roberts and for you to say that you'd want rid of Benni just because of his ego and laziness despite the fact that he scores far more frequently and has hit 20 goals in a premier league season (yes he's only done it once, but thats one more then Jason will ever get), is quite a shallow reason.

We may also want to point out that no striker hit 20 goals in the Premier League this year, too score the amount he did was a good effort considering our midfield options

[Iceman]

Ill say it again, give Benni proper service from midfield and he will score the goals from open play again. He aint a Bellamy that has pace, but he knows where the back of the net is. Irrespective of penalties, he is a striker much like Van Nistelrooy who will roam up front and wait for the chance to pounce. We could have had the the best of strikers at the club, with our current midfield they would have struggled to score. Its funny, when Benni scores from a penalty people go crazy on here with excitement. Why? Because its a goal. Yet now people criticise him for not scoring enough from open play. He might have scored 9 goals in 2 seasons from open play, but how many goals has he scored for the club in total compared to the likes of Dickov and Kuqi?

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Ill say it again, give Benni proper service from midfield and he will score the goals from open play again. He aint a Bellamy that has pace, but he knows where the back of the net is. Irrespective of penalties, he is a striker much like Van Nistelrooy who will roam up front and wait for the chance to pounce. We could have had the the best of strikers at the club, with our current midfield they would have struggled to score. Its funny, when Benni scores from a penalty people go crazy on here with excitement. Why? Because its a goal. Yet now people criticise him for not scoring enough from open play. He might have scored 9 goals in 2 seasons from open play, but how many goals has he scored for the club in total compared to the likes of Dickov and Kuqi?

Iceman,

What you've got to remember is that to many people in East Lancashire like seeing hard work. They don't like seeing fancy flicks and standing around, they prefer watching players running around like headless chickens.

It is all very good having the ability to create chances for yourself but you have got to have the ability to score them once you've created them.

To those people saying take the pens out of Benni's stats you only get 9 goals in two seasons, may I suggest you look at Jason's premiership record. In the seasons he has played in it I seem to remember having read that he has never scored more than 8 goals in the premiership in a season.

[Iceman]

It really is a stupid argument to be honest. Benni is creative and can score goals, Roberts is strong, works hard but doesnt score that much. We have been lucky this season with all those Roberts misses. Yes he scored the winner at Fulham, and a goal against Man City, but those easy one on one chances could have cost us big time. Love or hate him, Benni is by far a better striker than Roberts and that is based on goals scored in his career thus far. We can easily replace Roberts, but how often with our limited funds can we replace a player like Benni, who can still score goals for us. I wonder how many people will complain if he scores 20 goals in the new season, 15 from the penalty spot and 5 from open play. For those who dont know, a penalty if scored is considered a goal. A goal scored using your left ear, is considered a goal. My point is, if the guy wants to stand up front, and our midfield can provide service to him to score then what is the problem? Football today is now about a striker tracking back to defend. In years gone by, the midfield were the ones to move up in attack, and track back to defend thats their role. If Benni tracks back to defend, there is no way based on our current midfield that we will be able to find anybody in a goal scoring position, if our strikers are constantly asked to play as defenders for the sake of making people happy. We are too obsessed at the likes of Rooney tracking back to help out in defence. Strikers are meant to be up top, not running around in midfield or defence to help out because the defenders and midfielders are not capable of doing their job properly.

[tcj_jones]

Unfortunately, Roberts is possibly the worst finisher I have ever seen wearing a Rovers shirt. I'd have more faith in Robinson scoring the kinda one on ones he misses! Unfortunately, the same goes for penalties!

Benni is a class above, but I do agree on the penalties issue - the number of goals he scores in a season looks deceptively good when you factor in penalties. In recent seasons he hasn't performed neaarly well enough and a big reason for that is his lack of fitness and poor attitude.

[Eddie]

I don't really understand the criticism of Benni here. Sure, the number of goals he has scored this season isn't very impressive, but he was our top goalscorer. If people are so keen on selling him purely because of the number of goals he has scored then surely they are also advocating selling Roberts and Santa Cruz? I can't remember Benni missing many chances this season, he never does. If we create chances then he takes them, it is as simple as that. Our team just wasn't good enough to consistently create two or three chances a game and that wasn't because our strikers weren't good enough. Without a decent midfield our strikers will struggle.

[Iceman]

My point exactly Eddie.