[Archived] Blackburn Rovers Transfer Topic

[gumboots]

Nice judge a young lad on sub appearences alone.....

Lot of people seem to be suggesting he's good enough based on sub appearances so why is it not fair to say he might not be based on the same appearances?

[Guest benmaxwell]

He has made sub appearances for Chelsea as well, so you have seen him play in those games.

He has made 8 sub appearences, in which he has pretty much changed nothing. Compared to Sturridge who has changed games when he has come on.

In my opinion, from the games that i have seen, Miroslav Stoch has looked far more promising then Di Santo. He can play on the wing with pace and a vicious cross/shot. But that's just my opinion.

Last season: Benni, Roberts, Samba (Cant really count RSC as he was always injured, and Derbs was out on loan)

Next Season: Benni, Roberts, Di Santo, Samba & 1 other (Possibly someone like Crouch)

Roque played 27 games, either starting or coming on as a sub and scored 6 goals. Wouldn't call that 'always injured'. Derbs was 'our' player, if we had known about Roberts and Cruz's injury problems, he wouldn't have gone out on loan.

So the real argument is:

Now: Roque Santa Cruz, Benni, Roberts, Derbyshire

Possible: Benni, Roberts, Di Santo + Mystery striker.

To me, that is lesser then what we have now unless the mystery striker is quality. I also very much doubt it would be Crouch. Hopefully somebody like Janko...

Nice judge a young lad on sub appearences alone.....

Well that's all we can judge him on... Reserve games are not Premier League quality, and neither is Audax games in the past.

He isn't coming up against the Evra's, Carragher's and Kolo Touré's of the Premier League playing for the reserves.

I reserve my right to be hesitant about this signing.

[Eddie]

Not to nit-pick, but hate when people say "the Evra's". Is there more than one?

You're also slight off on your adding up, our strike force would be:

Benni, Roberts, Di Santo, mystery striker y and replacement for roque.

[Guest benmaxwell]

Not to nit-pick, but hate when people say "the Evra's". Is there more than one?

You're also slight off on your adding up, our strike force would be:

Benni, Roberts, Di Santo, mystery striker y and replacement for roque.

When you say the Mr X's of the World, it means players of his position and style...

As for the list of players, i was only going off what Hughesy said. I don't shadow post Nicko. So sometimes don't know what his latest updates have been.

What did he say? Were getting 2 strikers to replace Derbs or something?

[Hughesy]

I was comparing what Sam had, to what he should have next season. RSC was pretty much unavailable once the transfer window shut (suprise, suprise) and Matty wasnt here!

Roque Scored 4 league goals, and made 2 assists, despite starting 17 games - thats all that matters. The rest of the time he spent either being injured or telling everyone how he wanted out. The season before he got 19 in 36 starts.

Last season his heart was no longer in it.

Derbs played in 17 games and scored 2 league goals with 0 assists (except for the one when he gave City the ball). He wants 1st team football and isnt good enough to command it.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

When you say the Mr X's of the World, it means players of his position and style...

As for the list of players, i was only going off what Hughesy said. I don't shadow post Nicko. So sometimes don't know what his latest updates have been.

What did he say? Were getting 2 strikers to replace Derbs or something?

He's said that repeatedly recently, and several members, myself included, have been reiterating it to you every time you post "OMG WERE GUNNA LOSE SANTA ND GET 2 INFERIOR PLAYERS BFS OUT BFS OUT".

One final time.

Derbs out, 2 strikers in.

Santa out, another in.

[Eddie]

When you say the Mr X's of the World, it means players of his position and style...

As for the list of players, i was only going off what Hughesy said. I don't shadow post Nicko. So sometimes don't know what his latest updates have been.

What did he say? Were getting 2 strikers to replace Derbs or something?

He's said that he has been told that Derbyshire cannot go until two strikers have been brought in.

Difference between "shadowing" Nicko and reading the board...

[Ewood and I Would]

Where?

Where does that say we are contractually obliged to play for us??? Why do people always twist it!?

I think it says, he has enough talent and therefore will play. Fook me he is a complete different level to Jason Roberts & Derbs - So if Roque goes, that puts him as 2nd choice striker, maybe 3rd if another comes in.

He will play, because he has the ability and talent to play - not because Roman says 'HE MUST' play.

See the Mister X thread, to be fair I did quote what nicko said in my post but here it is again.

Rovers have had to agree with Chelsea that di Santo WILL play. There is no point in him going somewhere and warming a bench.

...nicko could you clear up what is meant exactly by us agreeing that the lad WILL play. Is it a certain amount of games/minutes a season? What are the repercussions of not fulfiling it?

[Guest benmaxwell]

He's said that he has been told that Derbyshire cannot go until two strikers have been brought in.

Difference between "shadowing" Nicko and reading the board...

Cheers. Didn't read that part.

Did he give any indication of the quality of Mr Y?

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Quick question for everyone, who would we rather have? Peter Crouch or Marc Janko?

[Hughesy]

And read what I said - it means that we have aknowledged he will get a fair chance at Rovers due to his ability - It doesnt say Franco has to play 100% of games when fit!!!

[Ewood and I Would]

And read what I said - it means that we have aknowledged he will get a fair chance at Rovers due to his ability - It doesnt say Franco has to play 100% of games when fit!!!

OK don't want to brawl over this and I'm sure nicko will clear it up at some point but I really don't know how you can read it that way.

"Rovers have had to agree with Chelsea that di Santo WILL play"

Unless it's a very bad choice of words (and even then you have the word "will" capitalised as well), that only reads one way. That there is some kind of agreement that he will play and there's nothing in there to suggest it's because he's good enough.

If it was as you were suggestiong it would say something like: -

"Rovers have told Chelsea that there's a good chance he will play." or "Chelsea think he will play at Rovers".....

Also, I never said 100% of games, just that he had to play a certain amount. But anyway let's say it's 10 games and we get the last 6 games of the season and we still have 6 games left to start him in, then it would be 100% for the remainder of the season.

[den]

OK don't want to brawl over this and I'm sure nicko will clear it up at some point but I really don't know how you can read it that way.

"Rovers have had to agree with Chelsea that di Santo WILL play"

Unless it's a very bad choice of words (and even then you have the word "will" capitalised as well), that only reads one way. That there is some kind of agreement that he will play and there's nothing in there to suggest it's because he's good enough.

If it was as you were suggestiong it would say something like: -

"Rovers have told Chelsea that there's a good chance he will play." or "Chelsea think he will play at Rovers".....

Also, I never said 100% of games, just that he had to play a certain amount. But anyway let's say it's 10 games and we get the last 6 games of the season and we still have 6 games left to start him in, then it would be 100% for the remainder of the season.

Use your noggin. There's not a player, at any club in the world, who is guaranteed a starting place. Piggin' obvious that if he's not up to it he wont play.

[Rover95]

Surely there is no way anyone would agree to play him every week just because another club says so. Surely, its about the fact that he will be more likely to get in our starting line up due to the fact he is better than the options we have.

A bit like when Bentley came to us from Arsenal - he came to get prem experience as he couldn't get into their side at that time.

Perhaps it's best not take what the papers say too literally...

[modes98]

Quick question for everyone, who would we rather have? Peter Crouch or Marc Janko?

Depends on a variety of factors. Mainly price.

Crouch has a proven record at both international and PL level.

Janko has an amazing record in a sub quality league and international experience.

If they are both valued at the same price then Crouch is the better deal. If there's a £3m or £4m difference then the cheaper one is the better option.

[LeChuck]

I'd take Janko as he looks far more dangerous on the ground than Crouch. Also he's two and a half years younger which is quite important for the amount of money they would cost. I think Janko would be cheaper anyway - certainly wages wise and probably in transfer fee too.

I really like what I've seen from Janko, he's definitely my first choice should Roque go. Look at the quality of players around him in the Golden Shoe award this year. It's all well and good saying it was a weaker league, but why aren't other players from poorer leagues up there as too if it's that easy?

[67splitscreen]

Another option maybe to Janko and Crouch, looks a similar type of player and even taller at 6' 71/2" from the same league as Janko, so we may have seen him play, would be Stefan Maierhofer at Rapid Wien. 18 in 20 lsat season and 21 in 42 for Bayern Reserves in 05/06.

It seems he lost his way in between those periods, could have been injuries or whatever.

Does anyone know what Bayern sold him for?

Wiki

Edit. listed at 26 in the the list from the above link in LeChuck's post.

Video.

[beerwins]

Isnt the factor in the golden shoe table something to do with the quality of the league? if not for that he would have been top of the list, i noticed a few of the spl boys in there too.

[67splitscreen]

Isnt the factor in the golden shoe table something to do with the quality of the league? if not for that he would have been top of the list, i noticed a few of the spl boys in there too.

If that is the case then they class the dutch league on a par with Austria. Factor 1.5

[G Somerset Rover]

Benni, Roberts, Di Santo, mystery striker y and replacement for roque.

That's why I'm confused as to why we're after a 'mystery y' man if he's not a RSC replacement. Let's say for argument sake that Roque and Derbs leave with Di Santo and Crouch or Janko coming in.

We'd then have to choose from:

Benni, Roberts, Di Santo and Crouch/Janko.

That would be more than enough for a club of our size let alone with another striker (mystery y). Also would any two of those be happy on the bench? (Think of the fuss Benni would kick up if he were 4th choice).

To me, if we are after 'mystery y' whose not a RSC replacement then it's blatantly obvious that Benni or Roberts are packing their bags.

[Tom]

I can't buy into the fact that we have to play him regardless, I'm sure such a contract would border on illegal.

Sam has probably said that in all likliness he will play but thats just an assumption based on his potential talent.

[thenodrog]

I was comparing what Sam had, to what he should have next season. RSC was pretty much unavailable once the transfer window shut (suprise, suprise) and Matty wasnt here!

Roque Scored 4 league goals, and made 2 assists, despite starting 17 games - thats all that matters. The rest of the time he spent either being injured or telling everyone how he wanted out. The season before he got 19 in 36 starts.

Last season his heart was no longer in it.

Time to tailor contracts to performance a bit more. More money if they are doing the business and less if they are out of form / sulking / sick note. I'm sure all these opta / pro zone type statto thingy's would provide realistic assesment.

Difference between "shadowing" Nicko and reading the board...

imo that benmaxwell is making old Fatal look the real deal of footy journo's.

[dirty cons]

I would perfer someone with pace as a replacement for Roque if we sign Di Santo on loan then theirs your target man. We need a striker to play off the big man and play on the shoulders of defenders someone like cisse who apprentley is avalible for 4 million. I would like to see this team start next year.

Robinson

Emerton Samba Givet Warnock©

Diouf Grella New mid Pedersen

Di Santo Cisse.

[Exiled_Rover]

It's a good idea theno, but with the way the power is firmly with the players it's simply never going to happen. Another team would just offer the guy guaranteed money and he'd be off there. They'd have to impliment sweeping changes to football for it to happen - which are needed of course as eventually it's all going to end in tears.

[Guest benmaxwell]

imo that benmaxwell is making old Fatal look the real deal of footy journo's.

Think you will find our job descriptions are totally different.

I don't specialise in specific information about all clubs, i publish and pass on information when i get it.

Comments such as those are totally unfounded. I am only having an opinion as a Rovers fan.

Janko compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf-SARuylpI

Crouch compilation (from a while back but style hasn't changed): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByHt7zgLUvU

[Eddie]

That's why I'm confused as to why we're after a 'mystery y' man if he's not a RSC replacement. Let's say for argument sake that Roque and Derbs leave with Di Santo and Crouch or Janko coming in.

We'd then have to choose from:

Benni, Roberts, Di Santo and Crouch/Janko.

That would be more than enough for a club of our size let alone with another striker (mystery y). Also would any two of those be happy on the bench? (Think of the fuss Benni would kick up if he were 4th choice).

To me, if we are after 'mystery y' whose not a RSC replacement then it's blatantly obvious that Benni or Roberts are packing their bags.

You need 5 strikers, that is just a fact. An injury to one and you'd be down to starters and a sub, that isn't good enough. Throw in the fact that Di Santo wouldn't be able to play in 2 of our 38 games and it would be plain stupid. 5 strikers is what we need and Roberts needs to be the worst of the lot.