[Archived] David Hoilett

[tony gale's mic]

I've never understood the theory behind people saying hoillett is "special" has he ever won us a game single handedly, not that u can recall, the lad is a good player but he isn't "special"

He's still only young. He's only going to get better and better, even this season he's shown a bit more consistency than last season. His raw talent is scary, it's just sometimes his decision making etc leaves a bit to be desired. But that will improve.

He isn't worth £15 million yet TBH, but he will be. Still if thats what takes for him to get signed then its still a no brainer, like someone said Ashley Young went for £18 million so we'd only lose out on a few million in transfer fees.

[Amo]

He isn't worth £15 million yet TBH, but he will be. Still if thats what takes for him to get signed then its still a no brainer, like someone said Ashley Young went for £18 million so we'd only lose out on a few million in transfer fees.

If he keeps us up this season, that'll cover the £3m and then some.

[tony gale's mic]

He practically kept us up last season.

[eire3382]

He practically kept us up last season.

He contrubuted but to be fair JJones, Noz, P Jones and Samba played as big a part in us staying up.

[adsfortheblues]

He practically kept us up last season.

We didn't hardly score any goals second half of last season therefore hoillett wouldn't have contributed much assists and only scored 2 so bang goes that suggestion. Defence kept us up there's no doubt about that.

[Paul]

All those having a go at Junior...Would you sign a new deal at rovers right now if your were him? I bloody wouldn't!

Exactly. His contract is up soon and he can walk away without a problem. Add to this he'll be able to demand a signing on fee which will set him up for life. it's a serious failing on the managements part.

I wouldn't sign for Rovers right now. Have none of you wondered why all we can pick up is second-rate players?

[Amo]

Exactly. His contract is up soon and he can walk away without a problem. Add to this he'll be able to demand a signing on fee which will set him up for life. it's a serious failing on the managements part.

What has he got to lose by signing a new deal? It's not going to tie him to the club, that's for sure. Football contracts are for protecting the investment and nothing more. If he continues to improve, it won't be long before a club triggers his clause and he's off. In the meantime, he's only losing out on more money.

I wouldn't sign for Rovers right now. Have none of you wondered why all we can pick up is second-rate players?

Richard Dann?

[True Blue & White]

Richard Dann?

Is he Scott's brother?

[Amo]

Is he Scott's brother?

Wish I had an Abbey excuse for that one.

[True Blue & White]

Wish I had an Abbey excuse for that one.

Ha ha, but back on point Dann isn't a great example of us attracting top talent as I don't reckon he'd have come at the start of the window when he thought he was going to be touted around the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool.

It's only when it came to the end of the window and a 'stay in Championship with Brum or join Rovers and at least be in the EPL' type decision that he came to us (and even then it took 3 days for him to actually sign in which I think he was hoping a bigger team would come in).

If you watch his interview on Rovers Player he practically admits this.

[Amo]

That doesn't support any claim that Dann is a mediocre player. He came here highly-rated, with the potential of forging one of the best defensive partnerships outside the Top Four.

Also, when was the last time we did attract "top talent"? I'm curious to know. We stopped competing for top players a long time ago. Our modus operandi has been one of finding raw talent, ageing stars or players out of favour. We haven't been in the position to go out and buy quality players at the top of their game.

[Paul]

What has he got to lose by signing a new deal? It's not going to tie him to the club, that's for sure. Football contracts are for protecting the investment and nothing more. If he continues to improve, it won't be long before a club triggers his clause and he's off. In the meantime, he's only losing out on more money.

He has potentially millions to lose by signing a new deal. lets take a hypothetical scenario. United want to buy Hoilett and are prepared to bid the £15m clause he is prepared to sign for. If he doesn't sign he becomes free agent and can ask for a signing on fee from United. The player accepts a £10m signing on fee, United save £5m on the deal and Hoilett gets the wages he may have been offered at Rovers.

If he signs the £15m clause with Rovers he gets several £000000 in salary for as long as he is with us but is in a weak position to negotiate a signing on fee with the buying club..

Personally I wouldn't sign the contract. Rovers have screwed up and we may well pay the price. I just finished discussing this with a United fan and his jaw literally dropped when I told him Hoilett is four months to end of contract. Venky's and Rovers have got this very badly wrong.

As for Dann? We'll see...............

[brian_gallagher85]

Am I on my own here or are there others who have seen through all this ###### about this lad being a world class talent?

His refusal to do any defensive work is driving me crazy this season coupled with what I witnessed from him on Saturday, the goal aside, I really couldn't give a crap if he signs or not. The amount of times he got into the final third only to turn and pass it backwards because he was too afraid to take a man on was criminal. His control when he does get into the box was also woeful. He was about 6 foot from the ball the whole time.

He's a good player but he's no where near the Jones level or even Bentleys level when he left.

[MarkBRFC]

Am I on my own here or are there others who have seen through all this ###### about this lad being a world class talent?

His refusal to do any defensive work is driving me crazy this season coupled with what I witnessed from him on Saturday, the goal aside, I really couldn't give a crap if he signs or not. The amount of times he got into the final third only to turn and pass it backwards because he was too afraid to take a man on was criminal. His control when he does get into the box was also woeful. He was about 6 foot from the ball the whole time.

He's a good player but he's no where near the Jones level or even Bentleys level when he left.

I see what your saying, but for me he isnt a right winger, he is completely wasted there.

He needs to be in the free role off the main forward.

[Veevs]

Am I on my own here or are there others who have seen through all this ###### about this lad being a world class talent?

His refusal to do any defensive work is driving me crazy this season coupled with what I witnessed from him on Saturday, the goal aside, I really couldn't give a crap if he signs or not. The amount of times he got into the final third only to turn and pass it backwards because he was too afraid to take a man on was criminal. His control when he does get into the box was also woeful. He was about 6 foot from the ball the whole time.

He's a good player but he's no where near the Jones level or even Bentleys level when he left.

I don't think the lad sees your perspective... he is top draw when it comes to his chance but he really has slacked off in all other areas of his game, I believe he is playing for the contract or move, those 5mins per game where he destroys the opposition.

He is pretty much the only player Kean has ever critised and to me that says allot when the Kean backs his teams wonderful (but unlucky) performances after any poor game.

The likes of PJ and Bents provide an interesting comparison but they did not need to play for a move.. Bents alwways worked hard and PJ is a true talent who I still believe will be remembered along the lines of Bobby Moore and company.

To me he does not want to be at Rovers anymore which is sad especially given his best mates at the club are the likes of Olsson, but frankly I do not blame him but more the regime in place (Kean is not a manager he could not be hard if he tried but that kind of debate is for elsewhere).

[brian_gallagher85]

I see what your saying, but for me he isnt a right winger, he is completely wasted there.

He needs to be in the free role off the main forward.

I also think he shouldn't be deployed on the right either but I also think Formica offers a lot more in the hole than Hoillet.

With regards to playing for a move, I don't see many teams wanting him right now.

[47er]

I also think he shouldn't be deployed on the right either but I also think Formica offers a lot more in the hole than Hoillet.

With regards to playing for a move, I don't see many teams wanting him right now.

I think you'll find them queueing at the gates to sign him tbh!

[beerwins]

I also think he shouldn't be deployed on the right either but I also think Formica offers a lot more in the hole than Hoillet.

With regards to playing for a move, I don't see many teams wanting him right now.

Formica has had one good game, he played very well against Everton but Hoilett has had many good games, Formica has missed what I would call 3 very easy chances to score goals, Hoilett makes his own chances and finishes them and its so refreshing to see a Rovers player run at the defender causing them to twist and turn and panic.

I do think Formica has talent but it's not in the same bracket as Hoilett, he is a very confident player on the ball and will hold the ball up to bring others into play, as for the defensive side to his game well lets get a manager that cares about that side of the game and see how he handles him and then maybe we can criticise then.

They really are'nt the same kind of player to be honest, Formica has a greater range of passing to his game but Hoilett is more of an attacking threat the way to utilise both of their qualities would be to play 4.4.2 with Hoillet playing off J Robs shoulder and Formica in the middle of midfield with an monster of a defensive midfielder alongside him, as we dont posess one of them we have to play 5 in midfield which leaves Hoillett out wide, he is a much better wide player than Formica would ever be because he has pace and skill and the ability to cut inside when Formica plays out wide it reminds me of another Pederson who has qualities but not those of a winger.

All said and done Kean cant get the bugger to sign a contract so it really does'nt matter as he will be gone in the summer anyway, I wonder if we had a more established manager would he have signed already?

[joey_big_nose]

Am I on my own here or are there others who have seen through all this ###### about this lad being a world class talent?

His refusal to do any defensive work is driving me crazy this season coupled with what I witnessed from him on Saturday, the goal aside, I really couldn't give a crap if he signs or not. The amount of times he got into the final third only to turn and pass it backwards because he was too afraid to take a man on was criminal. His control when he does get into the box was also woeful. He was about 6 foot from the ball the whole time.

He's a good player but he's no where near the Jones level or even Bentleys level when he left.

You're crazy - the guy has been terrible defensively this season (he was actually quite good last season - probably getting a bit big for his boots...) but he is outstanding going forward. As others have said he needs to go into the free role - offers so much more than Formica. Still haven't seen a full back who has been able to live with him.

Kean has made a rod for his own back by having too many players who are most effective in the same position, hence why Hoilett is being forced wide.

[Blueandwhitemike]

He's a game changer, can make something out of nothing, in the premier league he is essential to our team and I think we should build the team around him having a free role. I think we still have a chance of getting him to sign, but it has to be soon.

[Pinch]

I think you'll find them queueing at the gates to sign him tbh!

I agree, but I don't think it will be the "elite" clubs coming in for him... Like Hendry mentioned, and as was rumoured in the summer, it will the likes of Newcastle, Stoke, Sunderland etc. That sort of a move is frustrating as hell to most Rovers supporters b/c you'd want to believe that wouldn't warrant a step forward, but aside from Venky's big claims, we show no more ambition than most bottom-half clubs in the prem.

[Majiball]

Well he's in the top 5 creators so far:

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His release clause can increase based on performances from the 15M he's after. However since we have super agents working for us I assume they've tried that one, so you can't help but get the feeling he's only here till Jan.

[imy9]

The statistic that caught my eye was that only Stoke completed fewer passes than us in the pl this season...so much for pretty passing football.

[AllRoverAsia]

The statistic that caught my eye was that only Stoke completed fewer passes than us in the pl this season...so much for pretty passing football.

They may be pretty passes but we're seemingly not capable of stringing many together at any given time. So much for buying supposed 'quality' on the cheap.

[Andy]

The statistic that caught my eye was that only Stoke completed fewer passes than us in the pl this season...so much for pretty passing football.

I've been saying this throughout Kean's tenure here - the football is horrible and certainly not 'attractive, attacking football'.

Sam was criticised by a genuine minority for playing the same stuff, but with the added bonus of actually winning games.