[Archived] Kevin Davies - The Second Coming...?

[thenodrog]

Gord agree he was paid too much but he didnt even put a shift in for us...hand on heart he is one ex rover who i despice with a vengence.

Two facts Abbs. You didn't want Sam Allardyce at Ewood. You wrote off Davies as a player a decade ago.

yet

It was Allardyce the manager that made Davies (somebody that you saw with talent, no quality, no conviction and no passion) into a top player, known above all for his bravery and effort.

Give credit where credit is due.

[Blue n White Rover]

Two facts Abbs. You didn't want Sam Allardyce at Ewood. You wrote off Davies as a player a decade ago.

yet

It was Allardyce the manager that made Davies (somebody that you saw with talent, no quality, no conviction and no passion) into a top player, known above all for his bravery and effort.

Give credit where credit is due.

Once again Theno showing sense on this board. It's ridiculous what most people are saying about Davies.

Here's a challenge for those that don't want him here. Who else would you have that has a proven goal scoring record in the PL, is a handful for defenders, works hard and is worth around £5million?

I'll be waiting

[super_arran]

Once again Theno showing sense on this board. It's ridiculous what most people are saying about Davies.

Here's a challenge for those that don't want him here. Who else would you have that has a proven goal scoring record in the PL, is a handful for defenders, works hard and is worth around £5million?

I'll be waiting

Luca Toni?

[Blue n White Rover]

Luca Toni?

He has a proven PL goal scoring record does he?

[Amo]

dont give a flying frank , he DOESNT DESERVE to come back.

You don't believe in second chances, Abbey? He was 21 when he came here, and had a lot of expectation on his shoulders. Are you telling me you never made mistakes at that age? Surely it's testament to both his resolve and our manager's shrewdness that Davies was moulded into an effective striker?

For me, the only problem with Davies is the money Sam (purportedly) wants to invest in him. We signed a legend in Tugay for only £1.3m, who was 30 at that time. That's good business. Paying in excess of £5m for someone three years older is barking mad. I can't see this happening, and I'm hoping Sam moves onto more reasonable options.

[RovertheHill]

Seems to me there are 3 camps

over my dead body

good signing even at £5mil

okay but for no more than £x mil

I'm in the 3rd camp with x being 2. Anything more is money we cant afford

[Al]

Please no. Can we have a petition?

I'm beginning to think that Alan Nixon just likes to come on here to wind us up.

Think of the striker that you would least want to pay £5mil for and most Rovers fans would immediately think of Davies.

[Blue n White Rover]

Please no. Can we have a petition?

I'm beginning to think that Alan Nixon just likes to come on here to wind us up.

Think of the striker that you would least want to pay £5mil for and most Rovers fans would immediately think of Davies.

Grabbi

[saxo1man30]

i think sometimes he has a real scoop and other times he`s at a loss with no real info. make of that what you will.

[gumboots]

Seems to me there are 3 camps

over my dead body

good signing even at £5mil

okay but for no more than £x mil

I'm in the 3rd camp with x being 2. Anything more is money we cant afford

Me too. I can't remember much about the time he was here before except that he was ill at the start and went downhill from then on. It's the fact that, if he does come here, it could be a large proportion of what we have to spend on one player that is really winding me up. I can't stand his silly grin and think he's overweight too, but those are not the things that really worry me. For me it would be the cost and the fact that it would appear to signal the end of hopes that we might be able to find a slightly more expansive style of football without going gungho and finding ourselves in the position we were in last year. If he takes a high proportion of the transfer budget, where will we find energy and pace to fill other positions with nil or next to nil to spend.

[Guest benmaxwell]

We were awful that season, went down, new managers, young kid with a massive burden on his shoulders. He has come back bigger and stronger from that

And older! Which is the sole reason we cannot go for him. For as long as we don't have a takeover, a club like ours cannot afford to buy players with no resale value.

End of!

[nicko]

And older! Which is the sole reason we cannot go for him. For as long as we don't have a takeover, a club like ours cannot afford to buy players with no resale value.

End of!

What is this re-sale value nonsense everybody goes on about?

Players prove their worth by what they do on the pitch...where they earn points, improve placings and make money for the club that way.

You put forward Janko and Zigic as players who would be better than Davies. Are either of them going to be worth more in a year or two?

It's not an Economics class, it's football.

You sign the players you want to bring you the best success on the field.

Simple as that.

[roverseas]

Wouldn't go quite that far ben. It's true that resale value should count for a lot but a few million now and then on someone like Ooijer or Davies isn't the end of the world. But Davies will go for more than a few million so he's out of the question and we haven't even bid for him so it's time for people to chill out.

Nicko does seem to like to cause unrest on here and I don't blame him, some of you dive in headfirst. First he bangs on about this mystery striker who's better than Kuranyi and as such would walk right into our team - then reveal it's Di Santo... a youngster who is yet to score in the prem and would probably be third or fourth choice for us.

Then this Davies situation where he did seem to exaggerate our interest quite a bit. If we were that interested then we would've put in a bid, and we'd never pay in the region of £5m for a 32 yo.

Touch wood.

[nicko]

Nicko does seem to like to cause unrest on here and I don't blame him, some of you dive in headfirst. First he bangs on about this mystery striker who's better than Kuranyi and as such would walk right into our team - then reveal it's Di Santo... a youngster who is yet to score in the prem and would probably be third or fourth choice for us.

Then this Davies situation where he did seem to exaggerate our interest quite a bit. If we were that interested then we would've put in a bid, and we'd never pay in the region of £5m for a 32 yo.

Touch wood.

I should point out that your manager is the one who wants Di Santo - I just do the stories.

In my opinion he is a far better bet for you than Kuranyi or that reliable Zaki joker. In time, I hope that judgement is proved right.

I should also point out that your manager is the one who wants Davies. Got to agree with him on that, although it is obviously a political hot potato.

[LeChuck]

What is this re-sale value nonsense everybody goes on about?

Players prove their worth by what they do on the pitch...where they earn points, improve placings and make money for the club that way.

You put forward Janko and Zigic as players who would be better than Davies. Are either of them going to be worth more in a year or two?

It's not an Economics class, it's football.

You sign the players you want to bring you the best success on the field.

Simple as that.

What nonsense. I've got a page bookmarked at home where Wenger talks about the problems of signing players over 27 - he explicitly talks about resale value. I'll post it here if I remember when I get back. There was also something mentioned the other day in an article about Ferguson unwilling to spend big amounts on players over 28.

For clubs that have sound financial backing then resale value isn't very important, but for us it's absolutely huge. The only way we can generate any kind of meaningful transfer budget is to buy low and sell high.

Obviously it's not as simple as you're making out and the top managers in the league obviously don't think so either.

[modes98]

You put forward Janko and Zigic as players who would be better than Davies. Are either of them going to be worth more in a year or two?

It is more likely that Janko or Zigic would at least hold their value, if not increase. Davies at 32 (almost 33) will only lose money, as a football club I do not think we can afford to do that. We survive on taking players for a small fee and then selling them on for larger, much like Wigan. Davies just isn't economical and football has become about that now. There are very few clubs who just throw money at it.

[joey_big_nose]

What is this re-sale value nonsense everybody goes on about?

Players prove their worth by what they do on the pitch...where they earn points, improve placings and make money for the club that way.

You put forward Janko and Zigic as players who would be better than Davies. Are either of them going to be worth more in a year or two?

It's not an Economics class, it's football.

You sign the players you want to bring you the best success on the field.

Simple as that.

Its clearly a fair point Nicko. The only way we can stay compeitive is to be able to sell players at a profit. We wouldn't have a transfer budget all without that. To write off 5 million is a huge problem.

Economics is a massive part of football. Don't be daft.

[nicko]

What nonsense. I've got a page bookmarked at home where Wenger talks about the problems of signing players over 27 - he explicitly talks about resale value. I'll post it here if I remember when I get back. There was also something mentioned the other day in an article about Ferguson unwilling to spend big amounts on players over 28.

For clubs that have sound financial backing then resale value isn't very important, but for us it's absolutely huge. The only way we can generate any kind of meaningful transfer budget is to buy low and sell high.

Obviously it's not as simple as you're making out and the top managers in the league obviously don't think so either.

What suits Wenger and what suits Fergie has no relevance whatsoever to Blackburn Rovers.

You signed two players in January who were needed for a fight - because that's where you were - and nobody looked at their birth certificates.

Those two players helped save you millions of pounds.

THAT is reality, not some idle twiddling of philosophies.

Where are these bright young players who could walk into the Rovers side right now? Sorry, but I'm not seeing them.

Your scouts have been round the world looking for people and are aware of the reality of the market and what is available.

[gumboots]

What nonsense. I've got a page bookmarked at home where Wenger talks about the problems of signing players over 27 - he explicitly talks about resale value. I'll post it here if I remember when I get back. There was also something mentioned the other day in an article about Ferguson unwilling to spend big amounts on players over 28.

For clubs that have sound financial backing then resale value isn't very important, but for us it's absolutely huge. The only way we can generate any kind of meaningful transfer budget is to buy low and sell high.

Obviously it's not as simple as you're making out and the top managers in the league obviously don't think so either.

Or at least, if there is no resale value, you make sure you don't pay very much in the first place i. e. you don't spend 5 million on getting a couple of years out of a player. 1 million per year should be the max and who seriously thinks davies would be still playing in 5 years time? I know Tugay was but he's one of the exceptions. Most don't.

[Kelbo]

Wouldn't go quite that far ben. It's true that resale value should count for a lot but a few million now and then on someone like Ooijer or Davies isn't the end of the world. But Davies will go for more than a few million so he's out of the question and we haven't even bid for him so it's time for people to chill out.

Nicko does seem to like to cause unrest on here and I don't blame him, some of you dive in headfirst. First he bangs on about this mystery striker who's better than Kuranyi and as such would walk right into our team - then reveal it's Di Santo... a youngster who is yet to score in the prem and would probably be third or fourth choice for us.

Then this Davies situation where he did seem to exaggerate our interest quite a bit. If we were that interested then we would've put in a bid, and we'd never pay in the region of £5m for a 32 yo.

Touch wood.

I think you are mistaken, the Davies deal was only on if Roque was sold, Sam aint back from his Jollies yet so wait and see!

Transfer fees have become seriously inflated recently and whilst I agree it sounds steep, what do we actually get for our money nowadays, for example, we buy Janko for say £8,000,000 and he flops, we lose probably half of that, so our losses are £4,000,000 if we got Davies say for £4,000,000 and he's a success we keep him for 3 years and if he is a success, which I honestly think he would be deployed in the right way, we stand to make around £3,000,000 per season even if we only move four places up the league table!! Its a fine line and too close to call, Janko.Zidic etc are untried at prem level

its a tough league, look at Jo, Deco, Elano, Morientes etc, top players who have failed, even Forlan!!

[LeChuck]

What is this re-sale value nonsense everybody goes on about?

...

It's not an Economics class, it's football.

I found the quote via Google. Here's this resale nonsense from one of the greatest managers around:

"I find Barry a good player. The problems with players who are 27, 28 is that you pay big money but you get nothing back, no resale."

As JBN said, economics is a huge part of football, especially for a club trying to compete against teams with a much larger budget.

[Amo]

What suits Wenger and what suits Fergie has no relevance whatsoever to Blackburn Rovers.

You signed two players in January who were needed for a fight - because that's where you were - and nobody looked at their birth certificates.

Diouf, 28 - Cost approx £2m.

Givet, 27 - Cost zippo for last season.

Hardly comparative to wasting £5m+ for someone five years older than them, is it?

[nicko]

OK, let's take two recent exaples of how Kevin Davies pays his way.

The season before last his contributions kept the club in the Premier League. Anyone who saw his performances knows that. Worth? - millions.

Take away Davies's 11 goals last season and Bolton would have been very close to the bottom three. Worth? - millions.

It's not about re-sale, it's about getting the best available team on the pitch.

[roverseas]

I should point out that your manager is the one who wants Di Santo - I just do the stories.

In my opinion he is a far better bet for you than Kuranyi or that reliable Zaki joker. In time, I hope that judgement is proved right.

I should also point out that your manager is the one who wants Davies. Got to agree with him on that, although it is obviously a political hot potato.

Oh I do believe you on these parts but surely you can't deny that you built up Mister X way too much? Anyway, it's off topic and I'm just laughing at the whole thing so never mind.

I wouldn't mind Davies either. But we were never going to bid £5m for him and that bit caused some serious unrest as you've seen. Our manager can want thousands of players but all the terms of the transfer has to be right. There is no way that the terms for this transfer can ever be right. Bolton want to keep him, don't have to sell, and we won't shell out so much of our precious money on a 32 yo. John Williams AND Big Sam are smarter than that.

[nicko]

Diouf, 28 - Cost approx £2m.

Givet, 27 - Cost zippo for last season.

Hardly comparative to wasting £5m+ for someone five years older than them, is it?

Diouf cost a wee bit more than that. Would you get your money back? No. But who cares frankly.

Givet is setting you back between £3 and 4 million. Would you get your money back? No. But who cares again.

If you can get Davies for £5 million he could be worth £2 million a season in place money to you...

That is the equation you have to look at, not re-sale.

Your players would have very little re-sale if they got relegated, by the way.

Oh I do believe you on these parts but surely you can't deny that you built up Mister X way too much? Anyway, it's off topic and I'm just laughing at the whole thing so never mind.

I answered questions on him as fairly as I could without giving too many details away at a sensitive time.

In my view he is one of the best captures anyone will make in the Premier League this summer - in your bracket.

Kuranyi is burned-out and gone, you never know if Zaki is even in the right country...this kid is on the way up and has huge potential.