[Archived] Kevin Davies - The Second Coming...?

[T4E]

Um, probably that Davies is probably the best player with his head up front in the premier league bar none. Roberts cannot head a ball.

Very different sorts of player - Roberts is more about pace and getting behind the defence. Davies plays the ball on, with his head, for others. The advantage I supose is taht DAvis can probably keep going into his mid thirties because he needs very little pace. Next season might be the last Roberts can feasibly perform in.

I was basing the question on Sam's usage of Roberts last season. As far as I remember whenever he was fit Sam would pick Roberts to play up front, with his back to goal, holding the ball up, pulling the defence all over the place and bringing others in to play. Much like he'll presumably want Davies to play.

Your point about heading is a good one, Davies is far better. But then Roberts is much much faster. I'm not sure we'd need both.

[den]

Sure Den, but we have so many areas of our squad that need attention that I think we can only spend 4-6 million on a player if he has a genuine chance of being our best player for a couple seaons. We still need three strikers, a right back, two central midfielders and possibly a wide player and we are then going to spend a big chunk of our budget on a player who will at best score 12/13 goals? Are you really telling me that Davies and McCarthy or Davies and Roberts looks all that much better than Roberts and McCarthy? Not to me it doesn't.

You didn't take in what I'm trying to say Eddie.

You can't tell Sam who to sign. If Davies [or any other player he brought in was to lose the club money on the individual deal] was part of a squad that showed a big improvement on last season's debacle, then there can be no arguments - can there!

[joey_big_nose]

Roberts and Benni work well together for just that reason and at least Roberts provides some pace. We would need a totally new midfield to play with Davies.

I don't want Davies, but I don't understand that comment. Why would we need anything different? It would be:

----------------Davies

-Pedersen----------------Diouf

--------Warnock----Dunn

----------------Grella

--Givet---Nelsen--Samba---Emerton

---------------Robinson

Why would that work less well than they way it was setup at Bolton?

[Guest benmaxwell]

More like:

Sam, to JW - John, I want to sign Kevin Davies for £5m.

JW - but he'll cost too much money Sam, we'll get no return and it will heavily eat into your transfer budget.

Sam - John, I know that but he's vital to what I'm trying to do here. The squad I want to put together will take us back into the top half of the league.

JW - But where will the funding come from to replace him in 2 years time when he retires?

Sam - Erm......?

JW - Also, a player of his reputation at the club isn't going to put bums on seat is it?

Sam - But......?

JW - Also, his goalscoring ratio isn't that brilliant when you consider him to the likes of a 20 goal a season striker like Cruz or Benni...

Sam - Erm.....

JW - He's not going to score 2.2 goals a game is he?

Sam - True...

JW - So have you got any more realistic transfer targets to replace Roque..?

Sam - Yeah i got a call from Michael Owen last night...

JW - {{door closes as he leaves Sam behind in the office}}...

[den]

More like:

Sam, to JW - John, I want to sign Kevin Davies for £5m.

JW - but he'll cost too much money Sam, we'll get no return and it will heavily eat into your transfer budget.

Sam - John, I know that but he's vital to what I'm trying to do here. The squad I want to put together will take us back into the top half of the league.

JW - But where will the funding come from to replace him in 2 years time when he retires?

Sam - Erm......from the higher league placing?

All clubs lose money on some transfers you know!

[tony gale's mic]

I have been fully behind Sam but I am dead, dead against this. 5 million isn't just bordering on the ridiculous, it's utterly insane. This is very worrying.

[den]

I have been fully behind Sam but I am dead, dead against this. 5 million isn't just bordering on the ridiculous, it's utterly insane. This is very worrying.

Let's remember the figure of £5m is plucked from nowhere.

[waggy]

just change our name to blackburn wanderers

[Guest benmaxwell]

All clubs lose money on some transfers you know!

Erm... Roque Santa Cruz Profit £14.5 million.

Bentley Profit £8 million?

[gumboots]

Do you really think a squad containing Davies, McCarthy, possibly di Santo as a large part of its attacking options looks likely to get us above 10th place? With Dunn, Reid, Grella, Pedersen, Diouf, rothen and andrews as its midfield (meaning effectively from the last 4 or those as the others won't be fit) unless there are some freebies coming in? I find it hard to picture myself. Not saying it won't, just that I personally can't see it.

[Boz]

Not wishing to come to Nicko's defence, he is more than capable to do this for himself, but on the point of re-sale values it is not the full tale. Yes it is important, but only forms part of the overall package, that includes the transfer cost, wages, bonuses/agent fees, and finally any eventual estimated transfer income.

In the case in question, we can estimate with a high degree of certainty that there will be £nil resale, say a transfer fee of £5m, plus wages of say £10m for a four year deal, equals £15m for a cost of contract.

Compare this to someone like Darren Bent for example, £18m transfer cost, say wages of £12m over a similar 4 year term, less estimated transfer fee in 3 years £6m, equals £24m for a cost of contract.

In summary, look at the overall total cost.

Oh my lord, I'm defending the possible re-signing of Kevin Davies!!

Hopefully this is all hypothetical, but we either back our manager's judgement or don't, up to now no complaints in the results, but style....?

[tony gale's mic]

Let's remember the figure of £5m is plucked from nowhere.

Ah okay, I've just joined the thread at this stage. £2 million max is all I could take. £3 million or above and you start comparing it very unfavorably with the transfers we've had in recent years that have kept our club competing with the best.

[bubblerrovers]

Who would people rather Owen or Davies??

[Guest benmaxwell]

Who would people rather Owen or Davies??

Neither for good reason.

Unless their has been a massive Striker plague, that is a pointless question?

[brian_gallagher85]

Davies. For the exact same reason that I'd take him over RSC at present, he has played more games than both over the last two seasons.

People may use the same old story of the other two having scored more goals in the past, blah blah and how Davies was bloody awful here last time (not defending that), but football is all about the here and now, just as Leeds Utd!

[tony gale's mic]

Who would people rather Owen or Davies??

Owen. Easily. His wages might be big but he wouldnt command a fee, is younger, still has a decent scoring record and is much more talented, even without the pace.

Wouldnt be keen on either though.

[bubblerrovers]

Neither for good reason.

Unless their has been a massive Striker plague, that is a pointless question?

Not really when you remember we're Blackburn Rovers, Why would big name player want to join rovers? There are plenty of teams in the premiership who have no chance of winning anything who will pay much bigger wages than us. Think we need to be realistic

[Al]

OK, let's take two recent exaples of how Kevin Davies pays his way.

The season before last his contributions kept the club in the Premier League. Anyone who saw his performances knows that. Worth? - millions.

Take away Davies's 11 goals last season and Bolton would have been very close to the bottom three. Worth? - millions.

It's not about re-sale, it's about getting the best available team on the pitch.

11 goals isn't much for a top striker and what your logic does not take into account is that if Davies had not played Bolton would not have played with 10 men. Presumably another striker would have played who would also have scored goals.

He is too old to command a large fee and we get enough trouble from referees without giving them another excuse. Davies is the dirtiest player in the league.

[ABBEY]

Roberts and Benni work well together for just that reason and at least Roberts provides some pace. We would need a totally new midfield to play with Davies.

midfield not required...def boot to lardy boy..plan a b and c.

[Guest benmaxwell]

Not really when you remember we're Blackburn Rovers, Why would big name player want to join rovers? There are plenty of teams in the premiership who have no chance of winning anything who will pay much bigger wages than us. Think we need to be realistic

So you are telling me, that after all the scouting we have forked out for. Michael Owen and Kevin Davies are the best the PLANET has to offer...

RUBBISH!

Can i also point out.

The Peak of Kevin Davies scoring is 11 goals.

The Peak of Roque's scoring is 21 goals.

So we are going to be taking a cut at best of 50% goals per season... If we want to be in the top 10, we need to be getting 20 plus goals from our key striker, not 8-11!!

[ABBEY]

when and a big if ,if owen is fit hes class;to expensive for us unless he wants to restructure his wages i would have thought. I heard/read? that he still averages a goal every two games at toon? not looked up how many hes scored tho im busy lol

So you are telling me, that after all the scouting we have forked out for. Michael Owen and Kevin Davies are the best the PLANET has to offer...

RUBBISH!

Can i also point out.

The Peak of Kevin Davies scoring is 11 goals.

The Peak of Roque's scoring is 21 goals.

So we are going to be taking a cut at best of 50% goals per season... If we want to be in the top 10, we need to be getting 20 plus goals from our key striker, not 8-11!!

whats owens peak?

[nicko]

whats owens peak?

About ten years ago.

[ABBEY]

whens a peak not a peak then nicko ?

[nicko]

whens a peak not a peak then nicko ?

When it's been going downhill for years...the guy is a shadow of what he was.

Old players who just want pay days are no good.

Old players who still want to do the business are.

[Exiled_Rover]

I'd only take Owen if he signed the exact same deal Fowler was on last season.