[Archived] Kevin Davies - The Second Coming...?

[PAFELL]

So your answer is to occupy a place in a team with someone who plays lots of games, and doesn't score that many, as apposed to someone who scores in their sleep?

DARREN BENT!!!!

Darren Bent is a good player, but Rovers could not afford him or his wage bill. The premier league is a business and Rovers have to do what they can to survive in it - they would be finished if relegated in my opinion. At this moment in time all Rovers can do is do whatever they can to stay in the prem, until such a time arrives when the powers that be stop these top 4 clubs taking on these hugh debts in order to cheat their way to the top. Reality is very hard to face sometime and only the club know what preasure is on them to reduce the wage and debt bill. The faster those bills are reduced the faster rovers as a club can make a profit that is their own. It sucks, I agree, but as much as we all want rovers to be winning games, trophies etc - the very exsistance of the club must come first. Without the financial reality facing Rovers I would also agree with many on here to get a younger player who has sale value - but that is not the current reality.

It is ironic that some on here have mentioned Eduir Gudjohnsen would be a good player for rovers - yet there is only a 2 year age diffence in the two players. Though Davies's work rate is vastly better than Gudjohnsen - who incidently has been made available by his current club.

Davies scores and also sets up other people to score. He is a pest in and around the box and would compliment the other players in the team. I think - not saying yourself - some people forget that any manager has to consider if a player will fit into the team he already has - with the players Rovers have now then Davies would.

How many people on here were upset that Tugay played his last game for Rovers last season - many would have given him another year at least - but how old was he? At least Davies looks after himself a lot better than Tugay does. Ok Tugay's ability was vastly superior to Davies without a doubt.

What is very unfair is if the banks are putting preasure on the club to pay the debts, small compared to other clubs, and are not doing the same to the top 4 - who' s debts are far far worse than Rovers. It is ironic that the top 4 clubs are only successful because they were allowed to accumilate so much debt in the first place. Take that away and they would struggle like rovers do now.

[RibbleValleyRover]

If Darren Bent is so good why do Spurs want rid of him?

Big fee, big wages, probably signing for Sunderland.

Move on.

Spurs are a joke of a club, how many players career's have they ruined? Like Newcastle its a graveyard club... If Bent leaves Spurs and gets a chance to play week in week out i can see him scoring a decent amount of goals next season.

On Davies we will have to agree to disagree Nicko, i think he would be an awful signing and not worth the amount of money we are talking about. Allardyce signed donkeys at Newcastle so i don't think his judgement on players is as good as people think.

[tcj_jones]

I first saw him in an Argentinian under-20 game and he looked the dog's. Followed his progress after that and wasn't shocked that Chelsea took a chance. You may recall he was linked to Rovers at the same time - but that one didn't work out.

Then I caught him in a reserve game last season and thought he had a real chance.

Burnley asked for him on loan and were told he wasn't be ing allowed out. But now they think he needs to get games at the best possible level.

For my pains I see a lot of ressie games involving the big clubs and he is easily the best compared to anything at Man U, Liverpool or Everton. Man City have Sturridge at a similar age and standard. But Di Santo could be more of a threat than him, although I am a Sturridge fan too.

Fair enough. He sounds a good player. Providing we get him, I look forward to seeing how he turns out.

Out of interest, again, how do you rate Macheda? Is he worth all the hyper? Do you think Di Santo is the better of the two?

[EwoodGlory]

I first saw him in an Argentinian under-20 game and he looked the dog's. Followed his progress after that and wasn't shocked that Chelsea took a chance. You may recall he was linked to Rovers at the same time - but that one didn't work out.

I was trying to find that article where he was linked with 12 Premier League clubs at the same time, must be a record. Can't find it online anywhere.

[gumboots]

How many people on here were upset that Tugay played his last game for Rovers last season - many would have given him another year at least - but how old was he? At least Davies looks after himself a lot better than Tugay does. Ok Tugay's ability was vastly superior to Davies without a doubt.

I was upset to see Tugay play his last game but only because it's always upsetting to see a good player go. I was not upset that we didn't give him a new contract because i didn't want to see a sudden decline in his performances, and was glad he was going when he could still contribute.

[nicko]

Out of interest, again, how do you rate Macheda? Is he worth all the hyper? Do you think Di Santo is the better of the two?

Di Santo is older and more developped. He also has a fair amount of first-team football behind him in Chile where the standard is reasonable. I think he is ready to take the step up to being a Premier League starter.

Macheda has a lot of talent but is still learning. It would be too much to ask him to start for anyone in the Premier League next season.

[PAFELL]

So you are telling me, that after all the scouting we have forked out for. Michael Owen and Kevin Davies are the best the PLANET has to offer...

RUBBISH!

Can i also point out.

The Peak of Kevin Davies scoring is 11 goals.

The Peak of Roque's scoring is 21 goals. ONE SEASON ONLY

So we are going to be taking a cut at best of 50% goals per season... If we want to be in the top 10, we need to be getting 20 plus goals from our key striker, not 8-11!!

Lets be honest RSC played one good season - personally I do not believe he is worth £18 million, but I would be happy to take the money for him. I also think that one hard kick on the knee and RSC is finished for most of the season.

Davies cannot be compared to RSC and it is wrong for anybody to even try to do so. But it is about what players are around that can do a job at a price rovers can afford.

What if Sam is planning buying a better midfileder with pace - so is reducing the amount he spends on a striker? We have no idea on what else Sam is planning - I suggest we wait and see.

[gumboots]

Lets be honest RSC played one good season - personally I do not believe he is worth £18 million, but I would be happy to take the money for him. I also think that one hard kick on the knee and RSC is finished for most of the season.

Davies cannot be compared to RSC and it is wrong for anybody to even try to do so. But it is about what players are around that can do a job at a price rovers can afford.

What if Sam is planning buying a better midfileder with pace - so is reducing the amount he spends on a striker? We have no idea on what else Sam is planning - I suggest we wait and see.

From what we have and the estimates of what Davies if he is a target and does come, and Rothen, if he is a target and does come, will take out of our budget, there won't be much left for a better midfielder with pace. We won't spend all the money we make for various reasons which have been explained elsewhere.

[PAFELL]

I was upset to see Tugay play his last game but only because it's always upsetting to see a good player go. I was not upset that we didn't give him a new contract because i didn't want to see a sudden decline in his performances, and was glad he was going when he could still contribute.

Gumboots I agree, I also would not have liked to see Tugay decline in his performances. What I am getting at is the age discussion. I am not saying Davies is a fantastic player - only that he could do a good job for Rovers, evenif it is briefly. He would also be a good encouragement for de santos, especailly work rate.

[Guest benmaxwell]

Bent is more like a 12-a-season man. He would cost around £10 million and is looking for around £75,000-a-week.

Is that value? Not so sure.

He has resale value. That makes him more value for money then Davies...

Bet hey, your right, Bent is crap. That's why Capello valued him higher then Davies?!

Lets be honest RSC played one good season - personally I do not believe he is worth £18 million

Lets be honest. Davies played one good season where he scored 11 goals. he has never done that before and it is highly unlikely he will do that again. Personally, i don't think he's worth more then £2.5 million considering his age.

As for Roque, he is not worth £18 million pounds, and neither is Bent worth £7 million (which is what Spurs will accept), but the fact is we are receiving top dollar for Roque, and so we should replace him with a top dollar CF. Davies it is not!

[tcj_jones]

It is important to remember, however, that by his last season at Rovers, Tugay's performances had already declined significantly. Not that he was a bad player last year, just not as good as he had been in previous seasons.

[ABBEY]

It is important to remember, however, that by his last season at Rovers, Tugay's performances had already declined significantly. Not that he was a bad player last year, just not as good as he had been in previous seasons.

BASED ON?

[braddock]

BASED ON?

logic

[tcj_jones]

He has resale value. That makes him more value for money then Davies...

Bet hey, your right, Bent is crap. That's why Capello valued him higher then Davies?!

While Bent does have a re-sale value, he just isn't a viable option for Rovers. His wage demands would be double our highest earner and the transfer fee would be a considerable risk.

I do like him a lot as a player though and a proven goal scorer who is also great in the air is exactly what we need. He's just too expensive though.

[PAFELL]

From what we have and the estimates of what Davies if he is a target and does come, and Rothen, if he is a target and does come, will take out of our budget, there won't be much left for a better midfielder with pace. We won't spend all the money we make for various reasons which have been explained elsewhere.

Again I suggest that the players targeted and the price are still only speculation. But with the players Rovers have already released, sold, planning to sell plus fee for RSC has already reduced the deficit in the budget.

If Derbyshire goes for 3.5 million

Zurab for 2milllion

Maybe the above has gone on to Givet.

RSC for £18million as well as the reduction in the wage bill of released players - should leave some over, even if Davies is the player wanted by sam.

[gumboots]

Gumboots I agree, I also would not have liked to see Tugay decline in his performances. What I am getting at is the age discussion. I am not saying Davies is a fantastic player - only that he could do a good job for Rovers, evenif it is briefly. He would also be a good encouragement for de santos, especailly work rate.

I understood what you were saying but what you suggested was that many would happily have given Tugay another year in spite of his age whilst they think Davies is too old. I wouldn't have given tugay another year BECAUSE of his age. He owed us nothing and cost only his wages after the first couple of years, loved the club and fans and was a legend. Davies is loathed by a fair few on here and disliked by the majority and will cost us a lot in fee and wages and won't play effectively imo as long as Tugay did. I think Tugay was a one off, a legend and to some extent a miracle and i don't think we could ever repeat the success we had with that signing. Age is a factor with Davies. We wouldn't get more than 2 years decent service I don't reckon, and to get that I think we'd be lucky.

[Guest benmaxwell]

While Bent does have a re-sale value, he just isn't a viable option for Rovers. His wage demands would be double our highest earner and the transfer fee would be a considerable risk.

I do like him a lot as a player though and a proven goal scorer who is also great in the air is exactly what we need. He's just too expensive though.

Roque is on a similar wage at present, and im sure we could offer him a lower wage if we promised him first team football and bonueses...

[tcj_jones]

BASED ON?

Erm, common sense, watching him play, an understanding of football? I don't think many would disagree that Tugay, in his last season at Rovers, was not the same player he was a few seasons before. I don't think that there is anything unreasonable about what I said - he was 38 years old!

[PAFELL]

He has resale value. That makes him more value for money then Davies...

Bet hey, your right, Bent is crap. That's why Capello valued him higher then Davies?!

Lets be honest. Davies played one good season where he scored 11 goals. he has never done that before and it is highly unlikely he will do that again. Personally, i don't think he's worth more then £2.5 million considering his age.

As for Roque, he is not worth £18 million pounds, and neither is Bent worth £7 million (which is what Spurs will accept), but the fact is we are receiving top dollar for Roque, and so we should replace him with a top dollar CF. Davies it is not!

Where do you get the £7 million for Bent from?

[tcj_jones]

I really don't think that Roque was on close to £75k Ben...

[Kelbo]

Darren Bent will score 15-20 goals a season thats why Nicko, Spurs have Defoe, Keane and that Russian chap, so he never gets a run of games. Sunderland will have a cracker if they sign him

He was there before Keane, Defoe and even Pavolychenko, also had one of the best one touch players in the world playing him in, yep Berbatov, people call him lazy, but what a touch and plays people in on goal, he to me is one of the most gifted players I have seen.

[gumboots]

Erm, common sense, watching him play, an understanding of football? I don't think many would disagree that Tugay, in his last season at Rovers, was not the same player he was a few seasons before. I don't think that there is anything unreasonable about what I said - he was 38 years old!

Hence why i said i didn't want to see a sudden decline. We've witnessed a slight slipping every season for the last 3 or so but nothing major. However, i think it would soon have happened very suddenly and that would have made me sadder than seeing his last game.

[PAFELL]

Hence why i said i didn't want to see a sudden decline. We've witnessed a slight slipping every season for the last 3 or so but nothing major. However, i think it would soon have happened very suddenly and that would have made me sadder than seeing his last game.

He also said it himself that the younger players think faster than he does. Tugay was a legend and there is no debate on that. My thinking at the moments is that Sam know Davies better than any of us on here - I would even wonder if sam is considering putting Davies in midfield!!!! Anyway it is all speculation at the moment.

[Guest benmaxwell]

I really don't think that Roque was on close to £75k Ben...

He's on £55k's to £65k's, which is what we could haggle Bent down to.

I'd rather the club paid Bent 60k's then Davies £35k's...

[b12_simon]

He's on £55k's to £65k's, which is what we could haggle Bent down to.

I'd rather the club paid Bent 60k's then Davies £35k's...

You're forgetting that the club has cutting the wage bill as a priority.