[Archived] Kevin Davies - The Second Coming...?

[J*B]

Right, weve got 21M in the last week, I would be very suprised if we spend 10M of that.

If we get Davies it will be for no less than 5M, Bolton dont need to sell him and know we've just got the RSC money.

I was hoping for a better option than Davies, theres going to be alot of dissapointed fans. RSC out Davies in? That is silly!

Just wonder IF Bolton say "No" who will we then turn our attentions to? Bent, Janko,Zigic??????

A little Worried to be honest.

I'd be very suprised if we spent less and slightly annoyed if we didnt spend 15m!

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

But if his presence contributes to McCarthy/the midfield getting an extra 5 goals each, plus him scoring his average, he is contributing more than just his own goals.

[Kelbo]

Now, heres my assesment of the situation, rightly or wrongly, I understand the arguments on both sides, however, almost every side Bent has played for has either been relegated ar close to, even Spuds last year were close until Redknapp went there, I wonder if there is a broader picture here, does he work hard enough off the ball, will he put a shift in, is he a moaner around the place?? we dont know.

In the Red corner we have Davies, no doubt a quality Target man, causes problems for every defence even when he's not scoring, a defensive position can quickly be turned into attack and the Centre backs cant get a clean head on the ball when defending, it drops to the oncoming midfield!! on top of which he puts in a shift and the manager knows both his game and his character, get my jest, but, more importantly, he fits into the system the manager wants to play and there could be good reason for this, we are never going to compete football wise through midfield with the top four or five clubs, their quality in those areas are far greater than ours, we simply havent got the money to compete there, so we have to have a plan where we can balance that and then, even more importantly, its the managers call, his choice of player, his choice of system, he stands and falls by results.

I believe in good passing football, I would love to see a Ronaldo or the like tearing people apart, a Shearer or Rooney etc down the middle, with Zidane and the likes in midfield, it wont happen folks, those type of players are beyond our station.

We can, by investring in youth try to find and develop these players, maybe the lad Hoilet and the other boy out on loan could turn out to be real finds, if they are then thats a start but for now we have to go with the money we have, cut out cloth accordingly and dont make the mistake of the Newcastles and Leeds of this world

[Guest benmaxwell]

But if his presence contributes to McCarthy/the midfield getting an extra 5 goals each, plus him scoring his average, he is contributing more than just his own goals.

Our midfield isn't exactly swarming with goalscorers now is it?

I find it very hard to see McCarthy and Davies in the same squad.

[Exiled_Rover]

where has that figure come from?

Bought him for £7.5m the first time round, looking to buy him for £5m this time.

[tcj_jones]

Of course if the signing is made and it "buys" us a few places it'll be money worth spending

I don't agree with this rationale. Football is a money-making business and Rovers are only losing money. We cannot be satisfied with just making back some of the money with a few league places (and with Kevin Davies, we'd have to hope that his signing alone would take us four or five places up), we have to look at the bigger picture. We need players that can perform and get us those league places but who can then be sold on. Even if we only get a percentage of our original outlay, it's better than nothing.

If we signed Davies for a couple of million and then spent big on a quality midfielder, I'd be happy. Robbie Savage was an example of when it sometimes pays to bring in a player with no re-sale value , but he cost half of what is being touted for Davies and was a year younger at the time. Look how his career nose-dived after two seasons playing for us.

[Eddie]

My problem with Davies has absolutely nothing to do with how he did the first time round. It has to do with his age, the price and the player that he is today and likely to be over the next two seasons.

[nicko]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

[Tom]

I think people forgwt how many problems Davies causes us everytime we ply against him, my only issue like Eddie is the age thing. people are going a bit OTT with this one, I'm sure on Saturday night Benmaxwell said it was his last post on the subject, since then you've hardly stopped moaning about it.

At least wait and see what happens first.

[Guest benmaxwell]

It's funny, i have just been thinking, i wouldn't be as bothered if we signed Eidur Gudjohnsen who is only 2 years younger then Davies. But then again, i could see us getting a couple of years out of him, and possibly even sell him on regardless of him being in his 30's.

Sam, if you are going to go for one of your ex older players. Please make a approach for Eidur Gudjohnsen.

Now that would get us all excited!

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

It's funny, i have just been thinking, i wouldn't be as bothered if we signed Eidur Gudjohnsen who is only 2 years younger then Davies. But then again, i could see us getting a couple of years out of him, and possibly even sell him on regardless of him being in his 30's.

Sam, if you are going to go for one of your ex older players. Please make a approach for Eidur Gudjohnsen.

Now that would get us all excited!

It would also require us to smash our wage budget, and he wouldn't come here.

So stick to the real world, Sam.

[Kelbo]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

Simple, you just wont get one, not a chance!!

And £35k per week would save at least £1,000,000 per annum on Roques wages!!

[mode_m]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

I see exactly what you are saying, I have not made any comment on Davies price but at the same time in the past two years I have been completely in the dark as to how much players actually cost. Quite frankly I am shocked that he would be worth £5 the same way I am shocked that Roque is 'worth' £18. We somehow purchased Bellamy for £4.5 a few years back on some bargain, perhaps there is a chance of pulling another rabbit out of a hat?

[Guest benmaxwell]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

Easy... Benni McCarthy... We already have a proven striker.

Now's the time to get a slightly less proven younger striker to learn his game alongside Benni...

[DeadlyDirk]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

Add the 5m to wages and we could get Owen for 2 years, perhaps the same amount of time that Davies has left at this level.

Would Owen suit the style of football BFS obviously want's to play? Probably not. I guess you have to think of Davies as the best of a bad bunch, good proven players are hard to find and very expensive, were taking a gamble on Di Santo if the deal comes off, we can't afford to take a gamble on another young unproven player. We already have Benni who is inconsistent.

I want to see an exciting top name striker come in but they cost 18m even if they have only had one good season and have a poor injury record, plus we need to spend our money on other areas of the squad not just strikers. The supply since we lost Bentley has been more of a problem this year rather than what's on the end of it.

All in all I'm not excited about Davies, if it happens it happens, he owes us for last time and if he is prepared to come back then I'm sure he'll have a good go at doing it otherwise why would he bother. If he doesn't want to come back then it's a non issue to begin with.

I feel it's going to come down to price, as much as BFS wants him I can't see JW being prepared to pay silly money, and BFS neither probably as he knows he needs to strengthen other areas. Bolton are going to want 5m plus, he's not worth it generally but he is to Bolton, he's their captain, arguably best player and with anything less than 5m they couldn't possibly replace him (Hence why were after him and not Mr Mystery Man).

So the deal probably won't happen due to figures plus even if Davies doesn't hate us I don't see him being desperate to come back, we can't offer him anymore than Bolton really unless he has a problem with Megson that we don't know about or something.

[T4E]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

So we've just got £20m in total for Derbs and Roque, and recouped somewhere around £80k on wages, right? Di Santo will come in on what kind of wage? Would be amazed if its more than £15k.

With these figures in mind, why are we limited to spending only £5m and £35k in wages on our new main striker? I would have thought we could afford somewhere around £7m-£8m, with somewhere around £50k in wages and still be healthily in profit.

So proven in the Premier League, available at those around or less than those figures? Tuncay?

[LeChuck]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

Why does our new striker have to fit all that criteria? I'd quite happily take someone who has proven themselves abroad - Benni and Roque didn't work out too badly, did they? Why suddenly the need to go for a Premier League player regardless of the impact to our long term finances?

Players from the Premier League are notoriously overpriced, I think we'd be far better off spending our money abroad. If Kevin Davies is the best signing we can make for £5 million then we may as well just give up now.

[BlueWhiteDynamite]

Why do people keep saying robbie savage had no resale value. we sold him for 1.5mil (ok not as much as we purchased him for)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...bie-Savage.html

However this is different. Theres enough money to sign quality (if they come) and as a team will have recieved more than 35 mill in 2 years on transfers.

Unless KD is 1mill then im a no (But why would bolton sell and if they did i would be interested in who they brought in to replace him)

Also the anger towards him from the blackburn end is almost on a Dwight Yorke level. Why would he want to come anyway?

[nicko]

So we've just got £20m in total for Derbs and Roque, and recouped somewhere around £80k on wages, right? Di Santo will come in on what kind of wage? Would be amazed if its more than £15k.

With these figures in mind, why are we limited to spending only £5m and £35k in wages on our new main striker? I would have thought we could afford somewhere around £7m-£8m, with somewhere around £50k in wages and still be healthily in profit.

So proven in the Premier League, available at those around or less than those figures? Tuncay?

I like Tuncay, but he is not an out-and-out striker...and his wages are closer to £65,000-a-week. Plus Middlesbrough are hard to deal with on prices too.

And there would be NO re-sale value.

It's not an easy game this one, is it?

Why does our new striker have to fit all that criteria? I'd quite happily take someone who has proven themselves abroad - Benni and Roque didn't work out too badly, did they? Why suddenly the need to go for a Premier League player regardless of the impact to our long term finances?

Players from the Premier League are notoriously overpriced, I think we'd be far better off spending our money abroad. If Kevin Davies is the best signing we can make for £5 million then we may as well just give up now.

You could gamble on some of the players you have watched...but the professionals who have watched him for your club have not put them forward as potential signings.

While we are on that subject where is a £5 million 'proven' striker in Europe right now?

[RovertheHill]

Sam, if you are going to go for one of your ex older players. Please make a approach for Eidur Gudjohnsen.

Now that would get us all excited!

speak for yourself. Why would a player who has been there and done it and been happy to sit on the bench at a huge club be happy to come to rovers and what makes you think he'd give a toss about really trying?

[T4E]

Why would there be no resale value? He's 27, has one or two good seasons we'd still get plenty for him.

More to the point is what LeChuck said above. We dont have to sign someone proven in this league. Our most recent two best strikers have both played their first Premier League games in Rovers shirts. It can be done.

I'd be happy enough with Davies, just have issue with the price same as everyone else.

[mode_m]

Out of curiosity, if Rovers were able to secure a decent midfielder who is great a crossing the ball (perhaps Rothen), how much would Peter Crouch cost? He would be better in the air than Davies.

[Guest benmaxwell]

I like Tuncay, but he is not an out-and-out striker...and his wages are closer to £65,000-a-week. Plus Middlesbrough are hard to deal with on prices too.

And Kevin Davies is??

speak for yourself. Why would a player who has been there and done it and been happy to sit on the bench at a huge club be happy to come to rovers and what makes you think he'd give a toss about really trying?

Same could have been said about Andy Cole?

Eidur want's to come back to the Premier League, and who managed him in the Premier League at Bolton before he went to Chelsea?

[tcj_jones]

So we've just got £20m in total for Derbs and Roque, and recouped somewhere around £80k on wages, right? Di Santo will come in on what kind of wage? Would be amazed if its more than £15k.

With these figures in mind, why are we limited to spending only £5m and £35k in wages on our new main striker? I would have thought we could afford somewhere around £7m-£8m, with somewhere around £50k in wages and still be healthily in profit.

So proven in the Premier League, available at those around or less than those figures? Tuncay?

Why does our new striker have to fit all that criteria? I'd quite happily take someone who has proven themselves abroad - Benni and Roque didn't work out too badly, did they? Why suddenly the need to go for a Premier League player regardless of the impact to our long term finances?

Players from the Premier League are notoriously overpriced, I think we'd be far better off spending our money abroad. If Kevin Davies is the best signing we can make for £5 million then we may as well just give up now.

I'd agree with these posts.

And if we were to go for somebody in the Premier League, then I'd like us to extend our resources a bit and go for Crouch. At least with him, while he would be an expensive option, you still get what Davies offers and more, the guarantee of a good few years in him yet and a re-sale value.

[nicko]

Out of curiosity, if Rovers were able to secure a decent midfielder who is great a crossing the ball (perhaps Rothen), how much would Peter Crouch cost? He would be better in the air than Davies.

Crouch is around £12 million-plus and earns £75,000-a-week. He will probably be seen lining up beside Darren Bent at Sunderland next season.