[Archived] Kevin Davies - The Second Coming...?

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Nicko's getting angry!

Lets blow them both off and sign Heskey!

And I naively thought calling the thread the 'second coming' had a messianic context...

[tcj_jones]

Is Crouch really on £75k a week? OK, I guess that's out of the question then.

[nicko]

Is Crouch really on £75k a week? OK, I guess that's out of the question then.

Correct...we are running out of options here already.

Time for some perspective.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Correct...we are running out of options here already.

Time for some perspective.

Kevin Doyle.

[Mozzer]

i trust the manager whoever we sign..if he thinks it will improve us-then i have no reason to question him..hes done a brilliant so far..

the only thing im weary about is the price for kevin davies-5million for a 32yr old-but saying that-its not like he is coming to a new country or something-he has premierleague experience and we would know what we would be getting from him...

nicko is there any other transfer news...ie reports linking keith andrews away??..

[tcj_jones]

Doyle is a poor example. He's only had one good season in the Premier League and looks set to leave for £6.5m. That is mad price for a player of his calibre.

Nicko: while Premier League experience is great to have in a new signing, is it essential?

[malk]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

I'm one of the ok at the right price people but I don't think your question is entirely legitimate. Proven at Premiership level doesn't really mean a great deal as changing clubs and system combined with ageing means he could still flop here, or get injured or whatever. At his age a season ending injury robs us of, say, a third of his effective remaining career plus recovery may well be longer.

I'm not obsessed with youth or pace like some but it's not an outrageous suggestion that five million pounds is a lot to play for a thirty one year old system player with historically limited goal scoring ability. Maybe we've been spoiled recently by bagging McCarthy and Santa Cruz for bargain fees, and to some extent Bellamy too.

On a three year deal he will cost the club ten and a half million pounds, on a four year it goes over twelve million. That's all kinds of money for our business model. In fact, I hate to see us spend that kind of money on virtually anyone. The odds of being a success are so small and seemingly unrelated to transfer fee that you might as well go for the cheaper options. Of all clubs we have shown that a successful team can be built this way. As way of a quick list Friedel, Robinson, Samba, Nelsen, Warnock, Emerton, Bentley, Tugay, Bellamy, Santa Cruz, McCarthy... all came for decently small fees and have formed the backbone of our side. Someone tell me why we should risk any more than we spent on these players? In fact, when was the last time an expensive transfer came off for us?

Not that I have a problem with Bolton asking for a large price, transfer fees reflect length of contract more than anything else and they'd have an expensive risk to take in replacing him.

[RovertheHill]

Correct...we are running out of options here already.

Time for some perspective.

good luck with that.

The main thing about this is the fee. Surely we could get it lower than £2 or £3 mil?

[islander200]

Easy... Benni McCarthy... We already have a proven striker.

Now's the time to get a slightly less proven younger striker to learn his game alongside Benni...

How many games does benni start these day's on his day a fine striker but he is too inconsistent.

[LeChuck]

While we are on that subject where is a £5 million 'proven' striker in Europe right now?

Luca Toni?

I can't name one right now, but then I wouldn't have picked McCarthy or Roque either. I'm sure if I sat down and went through a lot of websites on foreign football I could pick some out, but I'm not sure it would prove much anyway.

Just as an aside...I always thought Mr Y was another being looked at before City even came in for Roque? Or have I got that wrong? Sam finished up with Davies wide of Anelka, could he be looking at something similar here? i.e. could Davies in fact be to support a quality front man?

[Presty On Tour]

Doyle is young and has proved himself in the Premiership and for Ireland.

At 6.5m he has a release clause and I guess wages wouldn't be in the highest bracket.

I'd take him over Pie Boy every time.

[nicko]

Kevin Doyle.

Is that the same Kevin Doyle who couldn't get a regular game for Reading in the Championship at the end of last season and barely got a kick against the Coylistas?

£6.5 million release clause is more than £5 million in my book...and about £4.5 million too much.

[Eddie]

Correct...we are running out of options here already.

Time for some perspective.

My perspective is that we are a premiership club and have a decent bit of money to spend, most than more clubs in the world.

[tcj_jones]

Surely not worth £6.5m though, Presty?

[Mozzer]

im still a fan of kevin kurayni ....i think he could do a good job for us..

i trust the manager with whoever he signs....

[nicko]

Nicko: while Premier League experience is great to have in a new signing, is it essential?

No, it's not esssential, but it helps.

The reason Premier League-proven strikers are expensive is because they slot in straight away.

It's a very small field.

And, as I said earlier, where are the strikers in Europe in the price and wage range? Your scouts worked over-time last season and could not find one...it's just how it is.

My perspective is that we are a premiership club and have a decent bit of money to spend, most than more clubs in the world.

I'm still waiting for you to name someone better at the price and the wages...and I respect your knowledge of the game in Europe, so you are proving my point here.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Is that the same Kevin Doyle who couldn't get a regular game for Reading in the Championship at the end of last season and barely got a kick against the Coylistas?

£6.5 million release clause is more than £5 million in my book...and about £4.5 million too much.

It's the player who scored 18 goals last season. Pretty sure he was injured early on against Bumley? He scored 13 goals in his first season in the Premier League, he's only 25, he'd probably welcome a move and is better than Davies with his head.

[tcj_jones]

Last season we had Roque, Benni, Roberts and Derbs already at the club. We didn't need another striker. Now we have sold two and got big money for them. It's a totally different situation now.

I have no idea where the strikers are, but I'd like to think that in the entire world, there has to be a good striker available within our price range.

[gumboots]

No, it's not esssential, but it helps.

The reason Premier League-proven strikers are expensive is because they slot in straight away.

It's a very small field.

And, as I said earlier, where are the strikers in Europe in the price and wage range? Your scouts worked over-time last season and could not find one...it's just how it is.

I'm still waiting for you to name someone better at the price and the wages...and I respect your knowledge of the game in Europe, so you are proving my point here.

If you'd read any of my earlier debates with Eddie you'd know he doesn't name names.

[mode_m]

Scott McDonald from Celtic? 40+ goals in 60 games. Not proven in the premiership but I am sure he would fit in fine....25 years old.

Probably looking at somewhere between 8 to 10 mil? Use Emerton to convince him to come over (I think McDonald is Australian anyway).

[nicko]

Scott McDonald from Celtic? 40+ goals in 60 games. Not proven in the premiership but I am sure he would fit in fine....25 years old.

Probably looking at somewhere between 8 to 10 mil? Use Emerton to convince him to come over (I think McDonald is Australian anyway).

I can't see the SPL as a good guide regretably...and he is not the most athletic or agile.

[Al]

OK.

Where is the striker costing £5 million who has proved himself at Premier League level and would come on £35,000-a-week wages...and have a re-sale value?

You have until August 31 to come up with the answer.

Not a fair question. What we should be looking for is a younger striker maybe for a bit more than £5mil. and who can push us up maybe 4 places.

Davies is not the only deal in town and there must be others we can get who will have either a resale value or a longer career. Take off the blinkers and look behond Bolton.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Thank fook for that!!!

[Presty On Tour]

Surely not worth £6.5m though, Presty?

If the choice was between Davies for 5m or Doyle for 6.5m? Doyle every time.

Personally though I wouldn't buy either but I'm not the manager. We have the money in the bank and how we invest it will be essential to the future of Blackburn Rovers FC.

I can't see it being wasted on the pie boy, I think we should bide our time, take a look around and strengthen the team in all areas.

[Tom]

How good is Frazier Campbell? Didn't have much impact at Spurs but looked good in the championship, same goes for Ismael Miller i think given chance he could do a job.