[Archived] Kevin Davies - The Second Coming...?

[67splitscreen]

Nicko said MR X was irrespective of the RSC situation and MR Y would be in before Matty was allowed to leave.

So thats that side of things cleared up if Davies is MR Y and does join.

So now that RSC has gone too, Nicko does this mean there is still another striker to come in.

This is all getting a little confusing.

[den]

'Depends on the price' is pretty vague.

i think Nicko's estimate of £5 million plus is an accurate figure.

I think people can forget getting him for say £2.5 million or less it aint going to happen.

You have no idea how much he would cost RVR. The poll is what it is, - no use trying to change votes in favour of him at the right price, into "no" votes.

I do expect that the vote will change though.

[Paulo]

Im all in favour of getting Kevin Davies in. Bolton aren't a bad side, if you take Kevin Davies out, it will cripple them slightly. The Premier League is a food chain, and if we can snap up our rivals best players it benefits us all round. Yes he was woeful first time round, but that shouldn't even be taken into consideration, he's a complete different player to back then.

£5 million sounds alot for us, and for his age, but i'd much rather pay that and get in a player like Davies who is built for the job we are gonna be doing, then spend more then 5million on some joker like Janko who could be an absolute flop.

As long as Davies & Roberts dont play same ime, i'd be happy to sign him.

[den]

However, if you gave suggestions about the right price then you'd get a better picture of how much people thought it might be so if people thought that say under 2 was ok, but then 3-5 was excessive they would put their votes in a specific band. A lot of people are saying yes at the right price who have the idea he'll come cheaply. He won't. It may not be Mr Nixon's figure of 5 million, but you can bet it will be close to that and I bet not many think that's the right price. Obviously since you are presumably a right price or a yes voter yourself you see it differently from those who think no. And just for the record, I voted no but only because I have a very strong feeling that the if the price is right opens the door to any kind of interpretation anyone reading this board to judge fans' opinions (as we are sometimes told they do) wants to put on it. and although if he were cheaper than chips as they are quite expensive nowadays I might think it was a good idea, I don't want anyone assuming they can take my acquiescence in his purchase "at the right price " by their valuation for granted. It won't make any difference what we want anyway, I know but I couldn't in all conscience really say yes or have my vote interpreted as a yes as you did.

Putting a figure on how much he would cost would make the poll totally invalid, because there would be absolutely no evidence to back it up. At the moment there are plenty of fans who would have him at the right price - I suspect that comes as a shock to some people.

As for the bit in bold, you shouldn't make any assumptions as to how I voted. I'm just trying to point out that sometimes we think we are speaking for the majority, when in fact we're not.

[andyman]

i dont post alot on here but can i just want to say that what nicko says about this deal being maybe more sensible than bringing someone unproven, hes looking at it from a jounalist's point of view. As fans we dont want davies because of what he cost us last time around, the fact he helped us get relegated, the fact that he contributed absolutely nothing whatsoever. We should be looking to bring in a seasoned goalscorer not another player that could maybe at a stretch bag 10 goals a season or we are in the same boat as we were last season, not having a player that can get into double figures or in benny's case just about manage it. We have a battering ram who can do as good a job at davies in the respect in roberts, what we need is somone who can get behind the last man and nip in to score 15 goals a season or more. I fear with these types of signings allardyce is making its going to be another long struggle at the wrong end of the table.

[OJRovers]

nicko you seem to be very much behind Rovers spending £5m plus on him

Can you give us an example of where a premier league club has spent £5m on a non-prolific 32 year old striker and actually got value for money from the deal??

[den]

nicko you seem to be very much behind Rovers spending £5m plus on him

Can you give us an example of where a premier league club has spent £5m on a non-prolific 32 year old striker and actually got value for money from the deal??

Andy Cole to Rovers? Young age of 31 I know, but cost much more than £5m. Kept us up.

[nicko]

Fraizer Campbell? Would cost the same as you quoted for Davies and has shown immense potential?

How many Premier League games did he start for Tottenham last season?

[malk]

Andy Cole to Rovers? Young age of 31 I know, but cost much more than £5m. Kept us up.

And in some ways won us that Cup final. Still, £8m wasn't the best deal on reflection and since Allardyce has shown he can get 1.4 ppg with the current team I don't think keeping us up should be the main priority... not that I think signing Davies is per se a bad idea.

I sincerely doubt it'll be for five million either way. If he makes it know one way or another that he wants the move the price could be brought down... lots of variables here at the moment.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

How many Premier League games did he start for Tottenham last season?

Davies had no competition at Bolton Nicko, unless you count that stump they got on loan in January. Spurs had enough central strikers for two teams. No disgrace in being behind some of those in the pecking order.

[nicko]

nicko you seem to be very much behind Rovers spending £5m plus on him

Can you give us an example of where a premier league club has spent £5m on a non-prolific 32 year old striker and actually got value for money from the deal??

I have to point out again - it's not my idea.

However I think it is a good one at this point in time and with what is available...something I have been trying to prove over the past two days.

Yes, it's too much in the cold light of day. But you have also been paid far too much for Roque.

Sometimes things just happen and you just do them and don't over-analyse.

I can't think of anyone better and I have to say the price does not bother me.

Finally, I have to say it will probably cost more than £5 million...but that depends on whether you are willing to use guerilla warfare tactics or not.

[T4E]

How many Premier League games did he start for Tottenham last season?

More than Franco Di Santo started for Chelsea.

[nicko]

Davies had no competition at Bolton Nicko, unless you count that stump they got on loan in January. Spurs had enough central strikers for two teams. No disgrace in being behind some of those in the pecking order.

I think Campbell is a bit of a lightweight. He is quite sharp and will score goals, probably at Championship level.

There is no way he is worth £6 million, even with half of it up front and the rest in installments.

[Guest benmaxwell]

Finally, I have to say it will probably cost more than £5 million...but that depends on whether you are willing to use guerilla warfare tactics or not.

If John Williams gives that the thumbs up, my respect for him goes right out the window.

We are now talking more then we paid for Benni, Roque and Craig (Bellamy) each.

Anyone who thinks that's okay, fan, boss or chairman is bonkers!

[nicko]

More than Franco Di Santo started for Chelsea.

Yes, but you are not paying £6 million for Di Santo. He is value-for-money and available to you.

I will have a tenner with you that Di Santo scores more goals in the Premier League than Campbell next season...

By the way, Campbell started ONE game in the Premier last season.

[EwoodGlory]

He is a completly different player to what we signed last time you know.

Bolton fans seem to think that loosing Davies would finish them off next season, most of them say he is there best player.

Again, not my first choice, but it would hardly be a bad signing, plus it would leave some money for a quality central midfielder.

[T4E]

Yes, but you are not paying £6 million for Di Santo. He is value-for-money and available to you.

I will have a tenner with you that Di Santo scores more goals in the Premier League than Campbell next season...

By the way, Campbell started ONE game in the Premier last season.

Genuine question - if we could pay £6m for Di Santo and sign him on a permie, would you advocate it?

[nicko]

Genuine question - if we could pay £6m for Di Santo and sign him on a permie, would you advocate it?

No way, not yet. Plus it's irrelevant as they don't want to sell.

The trouble is if he proves to be a success Chelsea will have him back...but that's the nature of the deal and the beast.

So you will probably win for a season and in all probability lose him in the end.

But everyone is going into it with their eyes wide open.

As we speak he is the most likely striker to pop through the door.

[rovers si]

The figure is down to Bolton and - trust me totally on this - they want much more.

However there are many ways to skin a cat.

See everyone is debating whether £5 Million is too much for Davies, but as you say Nicko, Bolton will want more money. They've always come out with ridiculous figures on their player's heads. I remember once when Allardyce quoted £10 Million for anyone chasing the services of one Michael Ricketts, and more recently wasn't Megson quoted as asking for £15 Million for Gary Cahill?

Bolton regard Davies as their best and most important player, and so I just can't see how we can pull it off for £5 Million, and for a lot of Rovers fans, that's already too much for Davies. There might be a lot of unhappy people on here when we replicate one of our worst signings in recent history and once again pay upwards of £7 Million for Kevin Davies.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I think Campbell is a bit of a lightweight. He is quite sharp and will score goals, probably at Championship level.

There is no way he is worth £6 million, even with half of it up front and the rest in installments.

How would you compare him with Derbyshire ? I'd say Campbell has a bit more pace and a bit more to his all round game. Don't think we should be looking to pay £ 6mill for him though.

[nicko]

How would you compare him with Derbyshire ? I'd say Campbell has a bit more pace and a bit more to his all round game. Don't think we should be looking to pay £ 6mill for him though.

Derbyshire had a bit of 'edge' about him when he first came into the side, sharp around the box and also willing to put his foot in.

Not sure Campbell has the physical side to his game. You need to be a bit tougher to play these days. He would be ok off a big striker, but strikes me as over-valued.

Would rip up the Championship next season, which is probably still his level at the moment.

[gumboots]

Putting a figure on how much he would cost would make the poll totally invalid, because there would be absolutely no evidence to back it up. At the moment there are plenty of fans who would have him at the right price - I suspect that comes as a shock to some people.

As for the bit in bold, you shouldn't make any assumptions as to how I voted. I'm just trying to point out that sometimes we think we are speaking for the majority, when in fact we're not.

Which bit in bold is that? The bit where i suggest that from all your comments you give the impression of not being averse to the idea of Mr Davies joining us? You forgot to highlight it! I don't think I speak for the majority. I don't think I speak for anyone else in fact though it may sometimes come out that way. I speak for myself, and in my opinion at anything over a couple of million he is too much. Even at that price i personally don't want him but as I said what I or you or anyone else other than Allardyce wants is irrelevant, and polls however you read them, make not a ha'porth of difference.

[beerwins]

I would be gutted if we paid any kind of sum for kevin davies, he was pants when we had him and now he is having a good spell we are linked with him again no thanks.

Roques sale for me show that rovers have always made players what they are, duff, bentley, brad even shearer when they move on they lose that top form and never seem to be able to recapture what once was.

Kevin davies never had it or even showed any glimpses of what he had to offer and now he seems to have is place at bolton creating a nuisance of himself popping up with the odd goal and is on good form, if he signed for us and was back to his normal kevin what do we do with an out of form player at that age NOTHING.

What i am pleased to see is how fast the LET rubbishes rumours of future signings, show that sam is working with some members of the press.

[Bobby G]

If we pay anything close to 5 million let alone more than it which is something nicko has hinted towards, Id go mental cause it would be a write off.

Its not like we will be challenging for a CL spot next season to advocate short-term thinking for a season or two. No matter what we do, we will be in the range of 8-12th place approximately unless extensive spending is done, so we might as well sign players that are not only useful for this season but think a bit more long-term at least in terms of selling them for a profit in the future to sustain the current Rovers model.

[nicko]

What i am pleased to see is how fast the LET rubbishes rumours of future signings, show that sam is working with some members of the press.

I would be 100 per cent sure that story didn't come from the manager...