[Archived] Kevin Davies - The Second Coming...?

[Guest benmaxwell]

I'd rather have someone unproven than someone who is only going to be good for a season, two if we're very lucky and with no resale value.

Agree completely.

Their are plenty of highly promising young players out there who have already scored in the Premier League, we could probably get 2 high quality young players for the eventual amount for Davies that Nicko is hinting at.

[Stonesrick]

'Glandular Fever'?!?

He had a glandular problem, one that made him a big fat lazy chozzer.

He may have been as you describe in the past but have you seen the way he clatters defenders on a regular basis. Opposition hate playing against him and I for one want us to get back to being a team who have 11 players on the park who don't give the opposition a moments rest.

Whatever positives we enthuse about Roque's qualities and being a big strong lad, he didn't always put himself about as much as I would have liked to have seen him do.

Oh... and he doesn't get injured too often either.

[Kelbo]

I would rather be looking for players of this calibre Gladkyy or seleznov both big and strong and could adapt very well.

Yes there untried but im only a average joe not a scout or a manager, if we have to buy proven and tried players why the hell do teams employ scouts? so they can tell us who's good when we already know.

I am sorry to repeat myself hear, many managers and scouts know of good players, their brief is to look and see how they would fit into a system and style of play the manager wants, that is the main problem and like it or not, Kevin Davies does, end of story!!

The board have to back Sam here, he did his bit last year and we normally back our manager, even more so after recovering almost £21,000,000 with two sales!!

[mohelger]

BY THE WAY...STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA...IT AIN'T EASY.

How about Djibril Cisse? Proven, maybe not as consistent in the PL as Davies, but at a much better age (28) - and (I would think) with things to prove.

For £ 5 million I would prefer him before Davies, but don't know if Marseille would do business at that figure...

[daren]

Agree completely.

Their are plenty of highly promising young players out there who have already scored in the Premier League, we could probably get 2 high quality young players for the eventual amount for Davies that Nicko is hinting at.

not to be confrontational, but in this nicko seems to be right. Who? I honestly am having trouble naming the people you refer to.

[nicko]

How about Djibril Cisse? Proven, maybe not as consistent in the PL as Davies, but at a much better age (28) - and (I would think) with things to prove.

For £ 5 million I would prefer him before Davies, but don't know if Marseille would do business at that figure...

Cisse is still valued at £7 million by Marseille. He didn't do so well at Sunderland and may have his best years behind him. I always thought he would be better than he has turned out to be...a classic example of falling for an exciting young talent rather than going for the tried and trusted.

It was the same with Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec. Looked the business and never fulfilled it.

The Premier League is a place for preferably hardened pros.

[Kelbo]

Cisse is still valued at £7 million by Marseille. He didn't do so well at Sunderland and may have his best years behind him. I always thought he would be better than he has turned out to be...a classic example of falling for an exciting young talent rather than going for the tried and trusted.

It was the same with Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec. Looked the business and never fulfilled it.

The Premier League is a place for preferably hardened pros.

I really have to agree, there is no argument against, just sometimes you hit lucky, but itsa risky business!!

[daren]

A bit harsh on Sinama-Pongolle, I think. He looked like he had what it took to me, but no one was willing to take the plunge. I feel that it was one of hughe's biggest missed opportunities and we should have gone for it.

[beerwins]

I am sorry to repeat myself hear, many managers and scouts know of good players, their brief is to look and see how they would fit into a system and style of play the manager wants, that is the main problem and like it or not, Kevin Davies does, end of story!!

The board have to back Sam here, he did his bit last year and we normally back our manager, even more so after recovering almost £21,000,000 with two sales!!

Under no circumstances can you say that sam brought about the sale of roque for that amount i think roque only played 1 match under sam, roque was sold from his previous season, and yes i understand kevin davies fits the bill of sams football, i was kinda hoping sam was employing that kind of football to keep us up, now i see that sam wants to sign davies means we will be playing hoofball on a much more regular basis, oh how i long for the start of season to see the beautifull game again

I saw what happened last season even under sam, we were totally berift of a decent midfield and without that well it doesnt matter what striker you sign he wont beat 4 defenders, im sorry if my opinion annoys you but the signing of kevin davies shows a total lack of imagination, he has just had the best season of his career how many more do you think he will have at his age, i wouldnt have him on the wage bill even if it was for free.

[daren]

Totally agree. We're almost forced to play the long ball - because passing it into midfield is a receipe for disaster. We need a central midfield, really, really badly.

[BPF]

ITS A DONE DEAL!

Don't know why Big Sam had to wear a piece of A4 paper though?

[Guest benmaxwell]

not to be confrontational, but in this nicko seems to be right. Who? I honestly am having trouble naming the people you refer to.

Yes their might not be many viable options in the Premier League, that's what scouts are for...

If the scouts have looked allover the world and can't find anyone better then Davies at a better price. We really should be looking at restructuring our scout system this summer.

Seriously. Think about it. £5m-£7m center forward, with the ability to pass well and hold up the ball. Their is nobody better then Davies?! I don't believe it!

[beerwins]

Yes their might not be many viable options in the Premier League, that's what scouts are for...

If the scouts have looked allover the world and can't find anyone better then Davies at a better price. We really should be looking at restructuring our scout system this summer.

Seriously. Think about it. £5m-£7m center forward, with the ability to pass well and hold up the ball. Their is nobody better then Davies?! I don't believe it!

Agreed 100% , the whole world of football and the only striker we can find is a washed up old has been with 1 good season under his belt in his whole career from 30 miles up the road gimme a break.

[Eddie]

Just to pose this one to you Nicko.

Explain why we should be so excited about a prospect coming from Chelsea (who we are expecting to start) and then have to fall back on a 32 year old as the "tried and tested" is the way to go? The fee for Di Santo was how much? 5 or 6 million? In other words a guy who many consider a top prospect was sold for the same amount, or possibly even less than, what Davies is being talked about at. It makes no sense.

[Tom]

I'd like us to look at Martins but it may be a total non starter

[Guest benmaxwell]

£6 million for Davies according to teamtalk. If Sam does this, and John Williams doesn't stop it both JW and Sam are going to loose my backing: http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...5396545,00.html

[Parsonblue]

Seriously. Think about it. £5m-£7m center forward, with the ability to pass well and hold up the ball. Their is nobody better then Davies?! I don't believe it!

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what fans believe or not. The manager is paid to produce a team that will get results. If he fails he usually gets the sack. At the end of the day it's the manager who puts his job on the line when he brings new players to a club. I can fully understand why Sam would want to have a target man who he feels confident about. The manager needs to be able to bring in players who he feels are best suited to the style of play that he wants to adopt. He and his scouting team may well have looked at a number of targets but feel that they are not suited to the job that Sam requires to be done. Ultimately, the club have to trust the manager's judgement - that is why they pay him a huge sum of money to get these decisions right. If he gets too many of the wrong then he will usually pay for those mistakes with his job.

I also agree with nicko that resale value is not all that important in our present situation. The important thing is to safeguard Premiership status and then try to finish in midtable for the League position money. If a player like Davies could help the club finish in a decent position then it would provide extra cash through the League placing money and the resale value becomes less of an issue.

[Al]

Ok, name one.

It's not my job to scout the world. We pay people to do that. Davies is dead money which we cannot afford.

[Eddie]

If I didn't care about the team then I would agree with you; however, I care and care a great deal so I choose to look at what the manager is doing and look for him to get the best out of his resources. I don't think Davies is the best possible use of our money.

[Al]

Correct...but the people who have done so dilligently have not come up with anyone.

Is the point getting through, ever-so-slowly, that Davies is a very good idea.

No way, not a chance.

[nicko]

Just to pose this one to you Nicko.

Explain why we should be so excited about a prospect coming from Chelsea (who we are expecting to start) and then have to fall back on a 32 year old as the "tried and tested" is the way to go? The fee for Di Santo was how much? 5 or 6 million? In other words a guy who many consider a top prospect was sold for the same amount, or possibly even less than, what Davies is being talked about at. It makes no sense.

Di Santo is a total value-for-money good idea. There is no risk. You only have to pay a wage - and he is a really good player.

At the time you set this up it looked as though Roque might be hanging around like a bad smell until the end of the window. Good thinking to tee this up.

It is STILL being planned because he is such a no-brainer.

[Mozzer]

how much of the money from santa cruz and derbyshire will sam allardyce have to spend??

[Eddie]

My point wasn't that the Di Santo loan was a bad idea, more that if a player like that could be bought for that sort of fee than those saying that we can't get anything good for Davies need to reevaluate the situation.

[Al]

Yes, but you are not paying £6 million for Di Santo. He is value-for-money and available to you.

I will have a tenner with you that Di Santo scores more goals in the Premier League than Campbell next season...

By the way, Campbell started ONE game in the Premier last season.

Yes and he'll score more than Davies too.

[nicko]

how much of the money from santa cruz and derbyshire will sam allardyce have to spend??

I think there is probably about £12 million 'clear' on Roque and £2.5 million or so on Derbyshire.

As several players have already left the wage bill - including Roque ad his king-size cheque - there is no real reason why the full amount cannot be re-invested...the payroll cuts have effectively been made.

I would expect deals - including fees and wages - of around £12-15 million to be spent.

No reason why not - and from what I hear the chairman is quite bullish about 'making a splash.'

Yes and he'll score more than Davies too.

In the Championship?

If I didn't care about the team then I would agree with you; however, I care and care a great deal so I choose to look at what the manager is doing and look for him to get the best out of his resources. I don't think Davies is the best possible use of our money.

Please give me ONE name who ticks as many boxes.

I have wracked my brains and there is no-one about that springs to mind.

It's a serious question.

But save the answer for tomorrow.