[Archived] Kevin Davies - The Second Coming...?

[beerwins]

It would take too long to troll back through the pages to see fans reactions to when we linked with roque.

To be fair his goalscoring record wasnt great, total injury worry, no prem experiece at all, how did that one work out ? We all know how well he did and how much we sold him for. If we had been linked with kevin davies at the same time who would have wanted him instead of roque?

My point is is that if you look at every player under the rules of proven prem player , good scoring record, works hard for team your probably going to come up with a list of prem strikers and davies at the bottom. Im no scout or manager or even pretend to scour through the leagues looking for good young strikers but im not paid to do that, im paid to install central heating systems the best the can get within their budget, not dodgey old boilers for top dollar.

If we cant find better than davies then im afraid the scouts need to learn a new trade and sam needs to open his mind a touch.

[gumboots]

It would take too long to troll back through the pages to see fans reactions to when we linked with roque.

To be fair his goalscoring record wasnt great, total injury worry, no prem experiece at all, how did that one work out ? We all know how well he did and how much we sold him for. If we had been linked with kevin davies at the same time who would have wanted him instead of roque?

My point is is that if you look at every player under the rules of proven prem player , good scoring record, works hard for team your probably going to come up with a list of prem strikers and davies at the bottom. Im no scout or manager or even pretend to scour through the leagues looking for good young strikers but im not paid to do that, im paid to install central heating systems the best the can get within their budget, not dodgey old boilers for top dollar.

If we cant find better than davies then im afraid the scouts need to learn a new trade and sam needs to open his mind a touch.

Well I'd rather have taken RSC any day. I've never wanted Davies, not when he first came and not this time around. I accept that in the absence of any real desire to have anyone else we'll probably end up with him, but I don't have to pretend to like it

[Al]

What a player is worth in three years is total and utter nonsense.

If you had any young player you could not say what he would be worth in three years time because there would be his personal contract to consider.

It is a totally irrelevant question.

No it isn't. Please answer the question. You are harder work to pin down than a politician.

[Seggie]

Cant see this anywhere but seeming that Pogrebnyak keeps coming up I'll ask the question. As Zenit play outside the EU zone wont any club wanting to sign him once his contract is up have to pay Zenit some compensation anyway? (or am I playing too much fm again here)

Also with Davies Im in two minds, I think he has a lot to offer as a target man still although I dont agree with the asking price I DO see Nicko's point about his resell value being unimportant as potentially we can make money through League positions etc. Many Rovers fans feel he let us down bad last time, although he was a lot younger and everyone expected him to recreate that goal he scored for Southampton against Everton in the FA Cup. Football is a weird game sometimes it can either happen for you or it won't, unfortunatly it didn't happen at Rovers 10 years ago for him.

[daren]

In this I agree with nicko.

Buying younger players gives you the *potential* of a resale at the end of the day. Right now it's more important that we don't get relegated. Sure, there's 13 million or so to spend, but out of that we have to get at a minimum two strikers and at least one midfielder. Ideally, one of the strikers is experienced, and then the other can be something of a gamble (something I'd like to see, actually, and not a loaner).

There's no guarantees. If we're relegated, players are worth less because we have to sell. If they get injured, they're worth less. If they flop, they're worth less. It's a gamble. And right now Sam clearly doesn't feel like gambling.

On the other hand, I would be disappointed, to say the least, if we end up having to pay 5m+ for Davies.

[LeChuck]

Right now it's more important that we don't get relegated.

If that's all we're aiming to do then we'll go down regardless.

[Presty On Tour]

If we waste all our money on Davies we will get relegated. Happened before and will happen again!

Maybe slightly extreme but I just don't like the bloke and really hope we don't sign him!

[nicko]

No it isn't. Please answer the question. You are harder work to pin down than a politician.

A player's value in three years is totally irrelevant. Bellamy, Roque and Bentley were all sold WITHIN three years...so where does that leave your thought process?

What are the values in 2012 of this lot? Robinson, Samba, Nelsen, Warnock, Pedersen, McCarthy and Roberts? This is the core of your team.

Not ONE of them will have a value in 2012 because [a] they will be too old or they will have already gone.

The 'three-year value' rule is in the Chocolate Teapot catalogue of irrelevancies.

[den]

Hell, 50 pages on a player who we haven't made a bid for. There's more speculation on this topic than there was about the death of Diana.

I don't think I've read one fact yet.

Nicko, you DO know what you're doing, don't you?

[nicko]

Hell, 50 pages on a player who we haven't made a bid for. There's more speculation on this topic than there was about the death of Diana.

I don't think I've read one fact yet.

Nicko, you DO know what you're doing, don't you?

I am playing the part of Henri Paul apparently.

[thenodrog]

I think you are wrong about Eddie's suggestions as they are all fairly well-known French league players. Some of us have seen at least some of them on the French football shows or live in France. South Americans viewed only ever on youtube or bought on FM I agree - no point in listing them as nobody really knows anything about them.

You must be aware that Eddie couldn't spot a footballer if he fell over one...... French or English!

[gumboots]

I am playing the part of Henri Paul apparently.

Difference being - I'm daft enough to read this although I read nothing about Diana! A propos of nothing. Day after she died we had a parisian policeman we'd met one evening on holiday (stress here he was on his hols too - we weren't in trouble) ring us up to apologise that the Parisian police hadn't been able to stop the accident happening!

You must be aware that Eddie couldn't spot a footballer if he fell over one...... French or English!

I don't necessarily agree with all of the names he suggested - just pointing out that there is a big difference between some of the suggestions made on here who are names from South American leagues or from computer game databases and the French league players that you can or rather could watch on tv here on a regular basis and in the flesh if your team was at home when you happened to be over there.

[Kelbo]

Two very good young managers who have worked with him both reckon he is worth about £1.25 million.

Sounds about right. Could be a surprise hit.

And he is 30!!!!

[roverseas]

A player's value in three years is totally irrelevant. Bellamy, Roque and Bentley were all sold WITHIN three years...so where does that leave your thought process?

What are the values in 2012 of this lot? Robinson, Samba, Nelsen, Warnock, Pedersen, McCarthy and Roberts? This is the core of your team.

Not ONE of them will have a value in 2012 because [a] they will be too old or they will have already gone.

The 'three-year value' rule is in the Chocolate Teapot catalogue of irrelevancies.

It's not irrelevant. It's a safer bet to sign the proved "alrighties" than the possible "greaties" but I think the best option is the combination of the two. As you see, the core of our squad has tons of experience and as such we can, in my opinion, go for an unknown talent or two - at least giving us the possibility of a healthy profit in a year or two or three.

Also, it's because of the fact that you also pointed out - that our core team has no value in 2012 - that we desperately need to lower the age a bit to make the team a little bit more sustainable long term. Not like Leeds did, but like we did under Hughes. We don't want to realize in the summer of 2012-2013 that we have to replace the entire squad with freebies because our players are close to retiring and we've got no excess money from players being sold.

And I'm not against us signing Davies. I am against us signing Davies for £5m or more though, because I think it's too much money for a 32 yo.

[den]

Just been thinking!

When Eddie and others say we should be signing promising youngsters who will bring a decent sell on value and there must be plenty of these players around, does he mean Like this guy?

Kinda blows the whole discussion apart, doesn't it?

Sorry Eddie!

[nicko]

Here's a thought that has been missed in all of this.

Name ONE young striker Sam Allardyce has ever signed at Bolton, Newcastle or Rovers.

[Presty On Tour]

Ricardo Vaz Te

[gumboots]

Here's a thought that has been missed in all of this.

Name ONE young striker Sam Allardyce has ever signed at Bolton, Newcastle or Rovers.

Perhaps a good reason why he should!

[LeChuck]

Here's a thought that has been missed in all of this.

Name ONE young striker Sam Allardyce has ever signed at Bolton, Newcastle or Rovers.

I was thinking about this and I couldn't think of anyone Allardyce paid money for at Bolton other than Anelka and Diouf. Anelka was 27 and Diouf was a few years younger than that. If Davies was the age of either of those two I'd be happy.

Did Allardyce sign any striker other than Viduka on a free at Newcastle?

You argued against yourself before by bringing up the age of the rest of our squad - it's for that very reason that we need younger players.

[Guest benmaxwell]

Here's a thought that has been missed in all of this.

Name ONE young striker Sam Allardyce has ever signed at Bolton, Newcastle or Rovers.

Obafemi Martins 24-25 when signed for Newcastle...

[promoted2001]

If it was a rumour of a free transfer I wouldn't care too much, maybe he could pay back some of that 7.5m plus James Beattie back in 1998! But £5m - £6m for this?!

1993–1997 Chesterfield 129 (22)

1997–1998 Southampton 25 (9)

1998–1999 Blackburn Rovers 24 (1)

1999–2003 Southampton 82 (10)

2003 → Millwall (loan) 9 (3)

2003– Bolton Wanderers 210 (46)

Thats 479 games and only 91 goals. Seriously?! It's a joke right? £6m? Nahhhh no dice

[nicko]

Obafemi Martins 24-25 when signed for Newcastle...

Good call.

Signed by Glenn Roeder, mind you.

Ricardo Vaz Te

Signed for the academy, what a fine prospect he was...and didn't he do well.

Re-sale value? Two bottles of port and a tin of sardines.

Perhaps a good reason why he should!

It's fairly obvious that he doesn't...because he knows the front line is no place for rookies. Di Santo is being lined up because he has talent, but he will need a senior partner to help him.

[LeChuck]

It's fairly obvious that he doesn't...because he knows the front line is no place for rookies.

That must be why you've been telling is what an awful signing Di Santo is these last few weeks.

Oh that was a sneaky edit!

[nicko]

That must be why you've been telling is what an awful signing Di Santo is these last few weeks.

Oh that was a sneaky edit!

I don't think he would have dreamt of buying Di Santo, Taking him on loan was and is a no-brainer.

[Kelbo]

I wonder if anyone hs thought around this,whatever level of football you are involved with, as a manager, coach or whatever, we always say the same things, take one game at a time, in this instance, one season at a time, you simply cant (unless you are getting inyoung players to develop through the ranks as Arsenal do) look two years ahead, you look at the next season and see where it takes you.

Clubs in European competitions always have first shout at the better players, the players also cost much more and can be expensive both in fees and wages!!

Take next year first, we may be surprised and Kevin Davies could be the Idol of Ewood!!