[Archived] How Many Mosques In Blackburn?

[neekoy]

Just out of interest, as someone who was raised a catholic, could you explain the relationship? I'm not a practicing catholic but struggling to see how the two are comparable.

They are both taught as Dogma by drawing apon assumptions or interpretations of scripture and made into literal truth. So they are common themes as they are both completely made up and have absolutely no basis for scriptual enforcement by either religion.

[adopted scouser]

Disgusting, poor buggers. Jews are as bad.

[thenodrog]

The fact that the debates across Europe place more importance over banning the burkha than banning this cruelty and barbarism is very skewed. There is simply no good reason, no science and no logic whatsoever to allow hallal and kosher slaughter in this country in this day and age and I defy any of our members, muslim or otherwise to put forward a convincing and valid argument.

[BuckyRover]

There is a muslim girl at my work. She takes part in all the work activities, laughs at my crass jokes and she wears a headscarf.

She is not forced into doing this, she seems perfectly happy in herself.

Do you think it's appropriate to ban her choice of clothes to protect her? Do you think Britain would be a better place to live if the police were to decide what we were to wear?

The KKK is a silly example really, a KKK costume is designed to incite hatred, a headscarf is not (see above example). Although you might want to forward your example to the Daily Mail, they would love it.

[thenodrog]

There is a muslim girl at my work. She takes part in all the work activities, laughs at my crass jokes and she wears a headscarf.

She is not forced into doing this, she seems perfectly happy in herself.

Do you think it's appropriate to ban her choice of clothes to protect her? Do you think Britain would be a better place to live if the police were to decide what we were to wear?

I don't believe anybody has ever objected to a Hilda Ogden type scarf Bucky.

[BuckyRover]

So there would be a chart showing appropriate and inappropriate dress?

Who would devise this chart?

I don't like burka's and I don't like it when people wear them, but it's none of my business. There are plenty of Muslim women who say they choose to wear them, until that changes they are free to wear what they like.

[DP]

Disgusting, poor buggers. Jews are as bad.

I don't quite get this. Surely halal/kosher meat with all the strict requirements means a more expensive process? Isn't this uneconomic?

I won't condemn halal food mind. When it comes to killing and eating animals where do you draw the line, honestly? Unless we all raise our own chickens and pigs in our lush acre wide gardens Hugh Fernley posh bloke style, we don't really give a sh*t do we?

Howard Stern: "I love animals as much as the next man, but I'd eat a Panda sandwich if I was hungry!"

[thenodrog]

I won't condemn halal food mind. When it comes to killing and eating animals where do you draw the line, honestly?

Need a clue DP? Right here we go..... Hallal slaughter, kosher slaughter, humane slaughter. Where do you think?

[DP]

Need a clue DP? Right here we go..... Hallal slaughter, kosher slaughter, humane slaughter. Where do you think?

Surely humane slaughter is an oxymoron.....

and what about the conditions they live in before the slaughter? Nice are they?

[thenodrog]

and what about the conditions they live in before the slaughter? Nice are they?

Nice? What a strange question. What are you alluding to DP?

Anyway click around here if you really want to know more.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/welfare/onfarm/index.htm

Section 12 screws it all up.

[BuckyRover]

Exactly. We kill chickens in a humane way, it's just a shame that they live their lives in cages in terrible conditions.

We aren't exactly bastions of animal rights

[thenodrog]

Exactly. We kill chickens in a humane way, it's just a shame that they live their lives in cages in terrible conditions.

We aren't exactly bastions of animal rights

Not exactly.

1. Chickens destined for the food chain never see a cage.

2. Battery cages for laying hens are to be banned across Europe in 2012. Thats why you will see large free range units being erected across the country .... and also why you will see much more vermin control in the future e.g foxes, rats, magpies, grey squirrels will be targetted for control. In fact a return to the pre battery cage days before the late 60's.

Bucky if I provide a link but you can't be bothered reading it and want to end up looking stupid then go ahead. Your brand of smarmy sarcasm regarding food production in this country is leftovers from the last generation, and is a result of poor welfare regulations back then and a population with full stomachs whose biggest health issue is obesity.

Here.... just for your benefit I'll try again... http://www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/welfare/onfarm/index.htm

"From 1 January 2003, no

person shall build or bring into service for the

first time any such cage system for the

keeping of laying hens. From 1 January 2012,

no person shall keep any laying hen in any

such cage system."

[BuckyRover]

So no new facilities have been built. Yet you can still buy eggs from caged hens. Hens which are then slaughtered after existing in a tiny cage, often riddled with illness.

Thank the lord for the EU eh?

Roll on 2012

[thenodrog]

So no new facilities have been built. Yet you can still buy eggs from caged hens. Hens which are then slaughtered after existing in a tiny cage, often riddled with illness.

Roll on 2012

Riddled with illness? wtf are you on about Bucky? Given the rock bottom prices supermarkets pay producers hens riddled with illness will not lay enough eggs to be financially viable. Can you be specific which poultry illness you are referring to? Not only that but most of the 'better' supermarkets carry out their own stringent checks on the standards of production and welfare of the produce they sell. Do you think that the likes of M&S, Sainsbury's and Tesco's just buy their eggs out of the back of a van and stick em staright onto their shelves? I can assure you they don't. btw This is not to protect the public but to protect themselves from a. litigation and more importantly b. Damaging and adverse publicity.

The ignorance of the general public is food production is staggering and imo the product of general apathy and the public's own desire to greedily devour all the coffee time shyte printed in popular womens magazines and red top newspapers. Publications whose reporting standards are based mainly on creating sensational and frequently misleading headlines. You need to subscribe to read the better newspapers Bucky.

Drive around with your eyes wide open locally and you will see significant investment in brand new purpose built free range poultry buldings. Or are you daft enough to think that all battery cages will evaporate into thin air and replaced by specialised units next New Years eve but one? Investment in any business has to be gradual and structured and the poultry industry is no different to any other business.

[adopted scouser]

So no new facilities have been built. Yet you can still buy eggs from caged hens. Hens which are then slaughtered after existing in a tiny cage, often riddled with illness.

Thank the lord for the EU eh?

Roll on 2012

Clucky Rover ?

[BuckyRover]

Riddled with illness? wtf are you on about Bucky? Given the rock bottom prices supermarkets pay producers hens riddled with illness will not lay enough eggs to be financially viable. Can you be specific which poultry illness you are referring to? Not only that but most of the 'better' supermarkets carry out their own stringent checks on the standards of production and welfare of the produce they sell. Do you think that the likes of M&S, Sainsbury's and Tesco's just buy their eggs out of the back of a van and stick em staright onto their shelves? I can assure you they don't. btw This is not to protect the public but to protect themselves from a. litigation and more importantly b. Damaging and adverse publicity.

The ignorance of the general public is food production is staggering and imo the product of general apathy and the public's own desire to greedily devour all the coffee time shyte printed in popular womens magazines and red top newspapers. Publications whose reporting standards are based mainly on creating sensational and frequently misleading headlines. You need to subscribe to read the better newspapers Bucky.

Drive around with your eyes wide open locally and you will see significant investment in brand new purpose built free range poultry buldings. Or are you daft enough to think that all battery cages will evaporate into thin air and replaced by specialised units next New Years eve but one? Investment in any business has to be gradual and structured and the poultry industry is no different to any other business.

So you were pro halal before 2003, but as British agricultural methods have become more humane you now don't like halal? Or has slicing an animals throat always been immoral?

Here's a hypothetical situation, you are lost in the woods and need to hunt food. You kill an animal by slicing it's throat. Are you immoral?

I also seem to remember that you were pro fox hunting (I am not against it). Doesn't that go against your anti halal stance?

I don't think you really have a problem with halal (I bet you eat currry), I think your problem is something else entirely.

CluckyRover

[thenodrog]

So you were pro halal before 2003, but as British agricultural methods have become more humane you now don't like halal? Or has slicing an animals throat always been immoral?

Here's a hypothetical situation, you are lost in the woods and need to hunt food. You kill an animal by slicing it's throat. Are you immoral?

I also seem to remember that you were pro fox hunting (I am not against it). Doesn't that go against your anti halal stance?

I don't think you really have a problem with halal (I bet you eat currry), I think your problem is something else entirely.

CluckyRover

Your ignorance of the subject is shining out like a beacon. First things first though, I repeat "Can you be specific which poultry illness you are referring to?"

[BuckyRover]

Brittle bones, kidney and liver diseases, loss of feathers etc.

To clarify, I am talking about the above illnesses affecting caged hens in the UK in 2010.

In the EU as a whole, currently 80% of all eggs that are produced are from battery hens.

I have also learnt that as recently as June a battery cow factory has been proposed in the Uk, which is aiming to house 8000 cows in a single facility.

I bet all the cows will love it in that factory. It will be like a big holiday for them.

Thou without sin.....

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[thenodrog]

Brittle bones, kidney and liver diseases, loss of feathers etc.

To clarify, I am talking about the above illnesses affecting caged hens in the UK in 2010.

In the EU as a whole, currently 80% of all eggs that are produced are from battery hens.

I have also learnt that as recently as June a battery cow factory has been proposed in the Uk, which is aiming to house 8000 cows in a single facility.

I bet all the cows will love it in that factory. It will be like a big holiday for them.

Thou without sin.....

.

1. Brittle bones? Easily avoided with extra calcium. CaCo3 One of the cheapest raw materials around.

2. Liver and kidney probs are normally a sign of aflatoxin intoxication and as the RM's of poultry feeds are tested stringently for aflatoxins cases nowadays must be as rare as hens teeth.

3. Loss of feathers? Poultry periodically enter the moult. It's a natural occurrence.

Nocton Dairies, Lincolnshire? A proposed 8000 cow milking unit. The blueprint for this impending development is at Withgill Farm near Bashall Eaves where a 2000 cow herd has been producing milk there for almost a decade. The farm accepts many visitors. I have been more than once to this farm and I can honestly say that I have not encountered many cleaner, well fed and contented herds than those cows.

btw ... "Thou without sin....." The correct quotation is 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

Word of advice.... Shut up Bucky before you make a bigger tawt of yourself than you already have.

[colin]

So, have we decided how many mosques there are in Blackburn?

The chickens & cows stuff has wandered wondefully.......

[BuckyRover]

1. Brittle bones? Easily avoided with extra calcium. CaCo3 One of the cheapest raw materials around.

2. Liver and kidney probs are normally a sign of aflatoxin intoxication and as the RM's of poultry feeds are tested stringently for aflatoxins cases nowadays must be as rare as hens teeth.

3. Loss of feathers? Poultry periodically enter the moult. It's a natural occurrence.

Nocton Dairies, Lincolnshire? A proposed 8000 cow milking unit. The blueprint for this impending development is at Withgill Farm near Bashall Eaves where a 2000 cow herd has been producing milk there for almost a decade. The farm accepts many visitors. I have been more than once to this farm and I can honestly say that I have not encountered many cleaner, well fed and contented herds than those cows.

btw ... "Thou without sin....." The correct quotation is 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.

Word of advice.... Shut up Bucky before you make a bigger tawt of yourself than you already have.

Oh?

Have you won the argument?

Britain kind to animals, Islam bad. I'll keep it in mind.

Enjoy your battery eggs, while they last.

[bazza]

So, have we decided how many mosques there are in Blackburn?

The chickens & cows stuff has wandered wondefully.......

4000? Oh,no! That's holes. Sorry.

BTW is a chicken crossing the road poultry in motion?

[dave birch]

4000? Oh,no! That's holes. Sorry.

BTW is a chicken crossing the road poultry in motion?

No, Bazza, it's the ultimate fowl

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Significantly less "traffic" on this thread recently. Coincidenty enough a "certain somebody" seems to be having a hiatus from the board.

Not that I'm complaining.

[rebelmswar]

Significantly less "traffic" on this thread recently. Coincidenty enough a "certain somebody" seems to be having a hiatus from the board.

Not that I'm complaining.

That can be rectified if you say his name three times whilst standing in front of a mirror in any dole office bathroom.