[Archived] How Many Mosques In Blackburn?

[thenodrog]

I note that the godless on here are also those who worship money.

Moral cripples.

Moral cripples? Worship money? I try to pay the way through life for me and mine if thats what you mean. I've not been rogering defenceless orphans, mutilating the sexual organs of infants nor stoning 11 year old girls to death for the crime of being a bad wifes etc. Are you a religious man Jim? Do you approve of the above? Do you condone it even?

Do you believe in a supreme being and a life hereafter? If you do it can only be through being brainwashed at a very early age. It's how all religions are continued. Forget that childhood stuff about God watching you and sending an avenging angel to do unspeakable things if you deviate from his chosen path and try to apply some rational mature thought and simple logic.

[Mattyblue]

Have a bit of respect for other religions. I have friends of all types of religions, but i respect them and their religion. I cannot believe the mods and admin, have allowed this thread to continue. I had a thread up, trying to organise a few shirts for charity, and that was removed. This thread is is a disgrace, and im not happy with it. Im muslim btw, but i feel reading through this, would make me feel less welcome over there. Really really disappointing stuff guys.

The thread is not a disgrace at all.

Blackburn does have massive problems over integration, every point I make is valid and very few are contradicted- see my 'white flight' post.

I have met and talked to many Muslims over the years and on an individual basis, of course they are no different than anyone else, however I disagree with aspects of Islamic culture and how it manifests itself in a place like Blackburn.

Am I a 'racist' or a 'bigot' for raising my concerns? The usual suspects on here would probably say yes, but this is merely a reflex action that springs in to action if someone has the temerity to speak against a minority group.

Blackburn is a town in which two communities live completely paralell lives, in which the white population is reducing year on year, yet it is the elephant in the room when people discuss the town and its social problems.

If I am acting 'disgracefully' by mentioning such things, well so be it.

[neekoy]

I note that the godless on here are also those who worship money.

Moral cripples.

Have you checked the financial statements of the Holy Roman Catholic Church and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints lately Jim?

All that to do "GOD's Work©" I guess...

And for the record, I cherish family and so whatever I need to do to support them, we were lucky enough to evolve consciousness, so we might as well use it.

[thenodrog]

I note that the godless on here are also those who worship money.

Moral cripples.

You have a point. Thanks for reminding me. According to one of my accountants this is one of the fastest growing businesses in Blackburn at the moment. http://www.westernunion.co.uk/WUCOMWEB/staticMid.do?method=load&countryCode=GB&languageCode=en&pagename=HomePage&src=gg_UK_brand_eng

Apparently 'Western Union' is very useful for transferring varying amounts of untraceable cash to people in other countries around the world. I don't really know much about this cos I don't deal in cash and so every penny of my income is legitimate and subject to UK taxation. Oh and I don't have any relatives overseas either.

[dave birch]

You have a point. Thanks for reminding me. According to one of my accountants this is one of the fastest growing businesses in Blackburn at the moment. http://www.westernunion.co.uk/WUCOMWEB/staticMid.do?method=load&countryCode=GB&languageCode=en&pagename=HomePage&src=gg_UK_brand_eng

Apparently 'Western Union' is very useful for transferring varying amounts of untraceable cash to people in other countries around the world. I don't really know much about this cos I don't deal in cash and so every penny of my income is legitimate and subject to UK taxation. Oh and I don't have any relatives overseas either.

Bloody Hell, Theno, I know I seem to be following you at the moment, but you are really a simpleton on financial transactions.

All financial transaction can be followed, from bank to bank (or other financial institution), it's only when it get converted to notes (cash) that it becomes untraceable.

So, if ali in Blackburn transfers 100 pounds via Western Union to his brother in Karachi, then, it's traceable. When his brother gets the cash and hands it to his uncle for a load of opium, the it becomes untraceable.

[neekoy]

Wasn't THENO saying that though Dave? He did say cash in relation to transfer?

I can only assume he wasn't talking about millions of pounds here

[BuckyRover]

I note that the godless on here are also those who worship money.

Moral cripples.

I don't need a God. I am enlightened, master of my own destiny.

Good luck to those that believe otherwise.

[thenodrog]

I note that the godless on here are also those who worship money.

Moral cripples.

Godless? Blair's worth many millions, Brown will hope to follow the same path (he'll fail mind), Labour MP's were scamming the most of any in the parliamentary expenses scandal!

Hardly God fearing any of thet lot are they? As it says in the good book... 'it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven'. St Peter will have a field day when that lot turn up.

You call me a moral cripple Jim, well thats as may be, but I'd rather be that than an intellectual cripple.

[S15]

I don't need a God. I am enlightened, master of my own destiny.

What if you get hit by a bus?

[neekoy]

He didn't have to choose to walk across the street in front of the bus

[thenodrog]

Bloody Hell, Theno, I know I seem to be following you at the moment, but you are really a simpleton on financial transactions.

All financial transaction can be followed, from bank to bank (or other financial institution), it's only when it get converted to notes (cash) that it becomes untraceable.

So, if ali in Blackburn transfers 100 pounds via Western Union to his brother in Karachi, then, it's traceable. When his brother gets the cash and hands it to his uncle for a load of opium, the it becomes untraceable.

1. Dave you are right, I am not the greatest financial genius and I totally accept that, however my main accountant is back from his hols and he will have it that you are even more gormless about financial matters than I am! He does insist that exporting small amounts of cash via the Western Union method do not have to be declared to anyone and are therefore untraceable. Please don't shoot the messenger. I am simply relaying the professional opinion of my accountant who has brought this issue to the attention of HMRC with to date nothing but shrugged shoulders and muted response. If you are more qualified in financial matters than him then thats OK by me.

2. Why did you pick on Mr Ali in Karachi? I didn't mention him at all, in fact I don't even know him, so let me warn you that you need to be very careful. I don't know why but some bleeding heart types on here get all touchy about that sort of stereotyping.

However using your example....... I am led to believe that when Mr Ali the Blackburn taxi driver / kebab shop owner / restauranteur / hallal butcher etc etc (whose business traditionally deals in lots of cash) dips in his back sack and transfers regular small bundles of cash via Western Union to his brother in Karachi which has not been declared to HMR&C and in doing so cheats the citizens of this country out of tax revenue then the issue becomes rather different. And a very much different one when apparently completed on an increasingly grand scale.

If you are still in doubt then peruse this link from the good offices of the Western Union. It's an agent locator. Use United Kingdon... BB1...50.... and then choose to either view a map of Western Union agents in Blackburn or select the other to view a list of their addresses. I suggest that you view both. Now as you say I'm no financial expert but close to 50 agents in a square mile or so does seem rather a lot. To return to topic it's prob coincidence but it's virtually the same as the number of mosques in the town. Those agents must be despatching a hell of a lot of cash overseas for them all to survive surely?

http://www.westernunion.co.uk/WUCOMWEB/staticMid.do?method=load&pagename=agentLocator

[broadsword]

1. Dave you are right, I am not the greatest financial genius and I totally accept that, however my main accountant is back from his hols and he will have it that you are even more gormless about financial matters than I am! He does insist that exporting small amounts of cash via the Western Union method do not have to be declared to anyone and are therefore untraceable. Please don't shoot the messenger. I am simply relaying the professional opinion of my accountant who has brought this issue to the attention of HMRC with to date nothing but shrugged shoulders and muted response. If you are more qualified in financial matters than him then thats OK by me.

If they accept cash then yes, if you have cash that can't be traced back to an onshore bank a/c.

I'm surprised the transactions aren't monitored/declared.

[dave birch]

If they accept cash then yes, if you have cash that can't be traced back to an onshore bank a/c.

I'm surprised the transactions aren't monitored/declared.

Theno, Bryan,

ALL transactions going through a financial institutions CAN be traced, whether it be 1p or 1 million. Think about it logically, if you can't trace it in the system, how do you know it's there? In the case of Western Union, how does the person know at the other end know who to hand the money over to? If it couldn't be traced there'd be some very wealthy bank employees.

In Australia there is a limit of $10K cash. If this is exceeded then a declaration must be made to the institution who then hand over the info to the proper organisation.The institutions also monitor transactions that may be less than this in case people want to avoid the 10K limit.

[neekoy]

Have a read Dave, one for one yes, laundering money no

[dave birch]

Have a read Dave, one for one yes, laundering money no

Neekoy, the discussion is about "traceability ", not money laundering, which is, essentially, what that blog is talking about.

My argument is that ALL transactions through a financial institutions are traceable, they simply HAVE to be traceable, otherwise the system cannot work..

You are supposed to identify yourself when offering money for deposit to a bank, and, as far as Western Union is concerned, you are supposed to identify yourself on receiving money, otherwise, how do they know who they are giving the money to. I doubt that Western Union (in Australia) would do anything that is not to the letter of its licence, otherwise, it's gone.

The easiest way to launder money is through a casino, buy the chips, cash them in, get the proceeds by cheque, deposit cheque in bank, voila legitimate cash.

BTW, try taking large amounts of cash in/out of the country. Whilst it's not impossible, you have to jump through hoops to convince the authorities.

[thenodrog]

The easiest way to launder money is through a casino, buy the chips, cash them in, get the proceeds by cheque, deposit cheque in bank, voila legitimate cash.

Re:the map references. We don't have 40 odd casino's in BB1 Dave. But we do have 40 odd Western Union agents. Doesn't take much working out which is best suited to the task does it?

[BuckyRover]

Re:the map references. We don't have 40 odd casino's in BB1 Dave. But we do have 40 odd Western Union agents. Doesn't take much working out which is best suited to the task does it?

You're such a troll. Those agents are PRIMARILY used for sending money abroad. In the past retail banks have been used for money laundering, does that mean that every employee and customer of said banks is complicit? Does it hell

According to you, the food they eat is bad, the religion is bad, the way that they send money is bad, they way they operate their businesses is bad etc. etc.

Any others?

"I'm not a racist but...."

[deryck guyler's spoon]

You're such a troll. Those agents are PRIMARILY used for sending money abroad. In the past retail banks have been used for money laundering, does that mean that every employee and customer of said banks is complicit? Does it hell

According to you, the food they eat is bad, the religion is bad, the way that they send money is bad, they way they operate their businesses is bad etc. etc.

Any others?

"I'm not a racist but...."

By now you should know that you're p*****g in the wind. Leave him to it.

[ABBEY]

You're such a troll. Any others?

"I'm not a racist but...."

i asked you a question on the 11 oct that you have not yet answered, here it is again if you missed it.

why is it ok for veils in banks? and not crash helmets or balaclavas?

[BuckyRover]

In my mind it's not ok.

But then again I haven't seen many bank robberies by people wearing the full veil. If they start robbing banks in veils I assume they will ban them.

I don't really like the veil but it is a free country. If you have such a problem with it, you could move to France in search of a better, veil free life.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

why is it ok for veils in banks? and not crash helmets or balaclavas?

I dont like the veil much but I understand that is a religious requisite for some and is as relevant in a bank as anywhere else for that reason.

This isnt the case for robber's headware of choice the crash hemet or balaklava as road safety and cold ears aren't really an issue in most banks.

You knew that of course.

[ABBEY]

In my mind it's not ok.

But then again I haven't seen many bank robberies by people wearing the full veil. If they start robbing banks in veils I assume they will ban them.

I don't really like the veil but it is a free country. If you have such a problem with it, you could move to France in search of a better, veil free life.

here you go

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[deryck guyler's spoon]

Four burkha related armed crime incidents throughout the globe that you've managed to find. There's that many a day in Manchester commited by balaclava clad villains. Ban the bally!

[ABBEY]

theres more ffs,do you really want me to list every one?

[thenodrog]

You're such a troll. Those agents are PRIMARILY used for sending money abroad. In the past retail banks have been used for money laundering, does that mean that every employee and customer of said banks is complicit? Does it hell

According to you, the food they eat is bad, the religion is bad, the way that they send money is bad, they way they operate their businesses is bad etc. etc.

Any others?

If you read it again you might see that I was referring to tax evasion rather than money laundering Bucky.

BUT since you asked ..... the bother that I have to go through at airports is bad, and the way that living in a BB postcode despite never ever suffering whiplash pretend or otherwise myself but being now forced to pay excessive rises due solely to that on the cost of my vehicle insurance is very very bad Bucky.

Integration will never be possible whilst resentment is continually being fomented.

By now you should know that you're p*****g in the wind. Leave him to it.

You're such a troll....

In my mind it's not ok.

But then again I haven't seen many bank robberies by people wearing the full veil. If they start robbing banks in veils I assume they will ban them.

I don't really like the veil but it is a free country. If you have such a problem with it, you could move to France in search of a better, veil free life.

Seems like Australia will be much more forgiving when the veil arrives there? Might help to keep the flies away I suppose.