[Archived] Blackburn Rovers Transfer Topic

[Hi Mack]

£9M is an absolute fortune for us!

I am double checking peoples posts when they say just pay the money and run.

There is the real world where i live along with JW, then theres another world where clubs

pay 9M for soon to be free agents!

[Tim Southampton Rover]

I thought players could only leave on a Bosman Ruling if both clubs are in countries who are part of the European Union.

[AggyBlue]

There is the real world where i live along with JW, then theres another world where clubs

pay 9M for soon to be free agents!

Too right.

Leave a reasonable offer on the table along with JW;s phone number and walk away. Take it or leave it.

[Kai]

Wouldn't it be wise to just whisper in Pogrebnyak's ear and tell him that his club are demanding £9m, which is ridiculous and tell him that if he waits till November, we'll give him £4m or £5m signing on fee (which he wouldn't get otherwise if we paid £9m now) and the wages he wants.

Wouldn't be the first time this has happened I would wager...

[beerwins]

I dont understand the thinking behind this, the money to purcase him was from profit anyway from sale of roque (unproven prem striker) what the hell has his contract got to do with this , yes he will be free in jan , BUT NOT TO US! because we wouldnt get a sniff, what happens if the ruskies harball him into signing a new contract? asking price goes up by how much ?

Another thing that bugs me is how people compare pav at spuds or how poggy is playing now, what has that got to do with the players potential? too many players have been flops and come to rovers and shined, so many things to consider , environment, playstyle, player relations and most of all the manager getting the best out of him.

If sam and his scouts think he has what it takes then 9 mill isnt a huge amount if you compare they were asking 10 for the davies lump, anyway 9 mill is more like 5 if your being realistic, no-one ever bought spanish gold?

[fozzer]

I am in between on this! I think the lad could be a quality signing and have 100% re-sale value! .... as where as the other targets would not have the same re-sale value! even if we did get him on a free in 5 months his wage would be over inflated! I would like to see the Total Cost of Ownership on both deals!

[AggyBlue]

if you compare they were asking 10 for the davies lump,

Notlob never asked anything for Davies. They always said he wasn't for sale.

[beerwins]

The prices are astronimical atm anyway if kenwyn jones had 4 years remaining on his contract and was rated at 9 mill , or davies was rated at 10 mill at his age, or bent was rated at 10-12 mill and poggy is rated at 9 which is the best deal?. NONE are prolific scorers in the prem and i cant think of any strikers rated at a near price that are.

So what do you do then? gamble on a cheapy? hell i dunno but i sure as benni likes bbq sauce on his fries i wouldnt be willing to risk starting the season with the strikers we have.

[beerwins]

Notlob never asked anything for Davies. They always said he wasn't for sale.

It was a figure of speach, if it had come to negotiating a price for him it would have been around that, im sure some kind of figure would have been mentioned, notlob know we had 13 mill to blow and they were never tempted, they didnt want to lose him yeh but everyone is for sale at some price.

These days they have so many side clauses and fees for others i think only the club knows exactly how much they paid, nowadays so many deals details seem to be undisclosed.

[andyroversmad]

Nicko how much was the bid that we made for Poggy in January ?

[I_saw_Batty_score]

Is an option to get Poggy to sign a pre-contract agreement if he is wants to play for Rovers - then make do until Jan with what we've got up front and maybe another loan?

At least that way Sam would know what money he could spend on strengthening the midfield.

[Pinch]

Wouldn't it be wise to just whisper in Pogrebnyak's ear and tell him that his club are demanding £9m, which is ridiculous and tell him that if he waits till November, we'll give him £4m or £5m signing on fee (which he wouldn't get otherwise if we paid £9m now) and the wages he wants.

Wouldn't be the first time this has happened I would wager...

Who knows, but Zenit may be whispering that they'll half the £9m transfer fee from Rovers with Poggy and his agent?

[braddock]

It was a figure of speach, if it had come to negotiating a price for him it would have been around that, im sure some kind of figure would have been mentioned, notlob know we had 13 mill to blow and they were never tempted, they didnt want to lose him yeh but everyone is for sale at some price.

These days they have so many side clauses and fees for others i think only the club knows exactly how much they paid, nowadays so many deals details seem to be undisclosed.

given how much they paid for elamander, davies must be worth £15mil, regardless of his age

[Exiled_Rover]

That's like saying given how much we paid for Grabbi, McCarthy is worth £30m, regardless of weight.

[Tris]

Di Santo just scored. Let's collectively wave that one goodbye

(edit) and set up Chelsea's second

[Steve Moss]

Redknapp is now advertising Bent for sale http://www.tribalfootball.com/redknapp-rea...m-future-259373

And Chamakh is sounding hesitant. http://www.tribalfootball.com/bordeaux%E2%...n-future-259369

[awhom111]

Had to hold this back for fear of the story being lifted and gathering a life of its own...apparently that has already happened.

I have heard the Poggy fee would be in the region of £9 million which is frankly ridiculous. His contract is out soon, so you are being asked to pay £9 million for the privilege of having him for half-a-season or one window...

Unless that figure drops it is a total waste of money.

The fee would also explain why no-one has signed him this summer.

Said it before, say it again, this is a very tough time to be chasing strikers.

Hopefully Di Santo has a quiet night for Chelsea and heads north pronto.

Badly needed.

Are you sure that he would actually leave for free at the end of his contract? I was under the impression that in the Russian League, clubs get compensation based on tribunal ruling for all players leaving at the end of the contract unlike EU-based players.

Di Santo was very good tonight. He definitely has a knack for getting himself into goalscoring positions and his size and skill make him difficult to defend against. Unless Ancelotti is serious about dumping Kalou, I would think that he is still 5th choice at Chelsea. I doubt that anyone has enough money to get Shevchenko to move, so I would not be surprised if he and/or Pizarro were stuck around Stamford Bridge for the whole season, meaning that we could get Di Santo anyways.

If we are still looking for an extra striker closer to the end of the window, we may want to take a look at Guille Franco, who was not re-signed by Villarreal. He is a bit old (although not as old as Vieri), but on a free he could definitely play a target role for a short period of time. He is not as big as Sam would probably like, but he can definitely play on his own up front and create chances for his teammates. Not really a big goalscorer, but Pellegrini always seemed to trust him in the big games.

[Steve Moss]

If we are still looking for an extra striker closer to the end of the window, we may want to take a look at Guille Franco, who was not re-signed by Villarreal. He is a bit old (although not as old as Vieri), . . .

A very steady player. Would be worth a moderate wage.

[XLM]

Oh deary me! you're missing my point as well. My point is that it would be completely stupid for Rovers to pay £9m now and only get 5 months use out of the player, irrespective of the fact that we would have him on a contract and be able to demand a fee for him. I am assuming that the player will have shown in the 5 months he is with us up to the January window that he is a very good player and well able to attract the attention of the big boys. One or more of them will take him away from us in January by paying a decent fee (let's say £15m) but then we have to start all over again looking for another top striker.

Is it worth all the hassle? Other top strikers will also get the impression that there is something radically wrong at Rovers and will not want to come to us. That is why I think we should only sign this player if he costs no more than £5m tops. Otherwise move on now to the next target.

By that logic, no matter who we buy they'll leave in the next window. So are you implying that we buy someone who will do poorly so nobody signs them?

Get him signed.

[Iceman]

Nicko, somebody claims Sam was at the Ajax vs Benfica game. Can you check on that one?

[TimmyJimmy]

The big boys will not go for Pogrebnyak as he's unproven, they'll leave the proving to teams like us then cherry pick next season, that's the way it is.

So with that logic we could agree the 9m fee but payable as an up front fee of say 4m and then give them a sell on for 5m. If they really think he's worth 9m on a 4 month residual contract they can hardly say the sell on would be too much of a risk else he wouldn't be worth the 9m in the first place. Pogrebnyak will be looking at us as a shop window so that works also.

The better he is the quicker he moves on and the quicker the Russians get their sell on. We profit as we get the rest of the transfer increase and we have the player for the season. If he fails then we haven't p*ssed 9m up the wall.

Gudjohnsen is the man for me though, I'm a convert. If he's expensive who cares, he's exactly what we need. Sam knows him, he's proven in the EPL and by the look of his Wembley performances this weekend he's actually got better whilst in Barca. He's got presence.

Other guys are either guess work ie will they won't they be OK in our league, or a compromise eg Jones. He's OK'ish but the best we can hope for from him is the level he has already delivered, he's not going to improve. Whilst 'interesting' at Sunderland I'd be distinctly underwhelmed if he was our selection.

Only other prospect who gets my pulse racing is Bent or Bellers. The one thing all the good guys have in common is expense. We should just get used to it.

[Rovers in America]

Di Santo just scored. Let's collectively wave that one goodbye

(edit) and set up Chelsea's second

I was at the game tonight and Di Santo looked pretty good. He had a few bad moments of giving the ball away, but seemed quite skilled with the ball. The set up for that second goal was quite good. He may make too many mistakes still at his young age to make it into Chelsea's squad, and if so, hopefully they will loan him out to us, but I think pairing him up with Benni up front would be nice. He seemed a nice fit to be a player we could lob it up to as I was watching him. Seemed to be kind of that man for Chelsea late in the game.

[philipl]

Again we have to be patient.

If Zenit have some bad results knocking them out of contention between now and 1 September no doubt the £9m price will come down.

Worth remembering that in all the protracted on-off negotiations involving the Arshavin and Pav transfers, Arsenal and Spurs pretty well got their men at the price they wanted to pay for them. Do Rovers have the same balls and determination?

By my reckoning there are slightly more sztrikers and clubs that need to ship out than there are clubs needing to buy and that reality will bite by the csecond half of August.

Getting Di Santo is terribly important to us right now though.

[Mandrake]

What people don't get, is that the 9 million...or lets say 7-8 million pounds are irrelevant.

From Blackburn Rovers' point of view, the options now seem to be Pavel P 7-8 million or Kenw. Jones 7-8 million.

Now

If we don't buy Poggy for 7-8 million, the alternate cost is 7-8 million for Kenw. Jones. Either way, the 7-8 million is lost, hence, the money is irrelevant. I would even go as far as saying : ANY striker we could end up buying at this stage, will cost us 7-8 million. So in such an argument, the moneyside of it can totally be put away, it is irrelevant.

It boils down to which player you want

Do you want Poggy or Kenwyne Jones ? Or Zigic ? Either way, the money is lost.

Pure economic theorem, as pure as they come.

If we decide we like poggy, we will have a bit of a sore feeling of getting ripped off by russians...so what,,any choice would have lost us the money. We would have the one player we liked the most. (and personally, I'd rather see the russians drink the money up, instead of giving it to a Premier League team)

[philipl]

Double that Kenwynne Jones figure- it is an old number.