[Archived] Blackburn Rovers Transfer Topic

[Iceman]

Still having to fork out 9mill on a player, thats out of contract soon is just madness. Yes we need a striker, but not if it means being held to ransom. We got Bellers, Benni and Rsc for far less and they are much better than Poggy.

[alexanders]

Daily mail on Poggy

9m fee

£60,000 a week is as big a problem that the transfer fee is.

[Roost]

The big boys will not go for Pogrebnyak as he's unproven, they'll leave the proving to teams like us then cherry pick next season, that's the way it is.

So with that logic we could agree the 9m fee but payable as an up front fee of say 4m and then give them a sell on for 5m. If they really think he's worth 9m on a 4 month residual contract they can hardly say the sell on would be too much of a risk else he wouldn't be worth the 9m in the first place. Pogrebnyak will be looking at us as a shop window so that works also.

The better he is the quicker he moves on and the quicker the Russians get their sell on. We profit as we get the rest of the transfer increase and we have the player for the season. If he fails then we haven't p*ssed 9m up the wall.

Gudjohnsen is the man for me though, I'm a convert. If he's expensive who cares, he's exactly what we need. Sam knows him, he's proven in the EPL and by the look of his Wembley performances this weekend he's actually got better whilst in Barca. He's got presence.

Other guys are either guess work ie will they won't they be OK in our league, or a compromise eg Jones. He's OK'ish but the best we can hope for from him is the level he has already delivered, he's not going to improve. Whilst 'interesting' at Sunderland I'd be distinctly underwhelmed if he was our selection.

Only other prospect who gets my pulse racing is Bent or Bellers. The one thing all the good guys have in common is expense. We should just get used to it.

Really??

Bent could not hit a cows arse with a banjo as he proved yet again against Celtic - over rated, overpaid and simply not a good enough replacement.

Bellamy has an ego to satisfy and thats why he seems to always want to jump ship to the next club that might fancy him. How many moves has he had over the last three seasons (with one of those leaving us for pastures new)?

Unless they get your pulse racing for other reasons...

[Kelbo]

Nicko,

What are your views on Sam attending the Ajax - Benfica game?? Targets??

[Taggart]

It's not worth discussing. The only people who would pay £9m for someone that is :

1. 120% UNPROVEN in the environment they are required in,

2. FREE IN LESS THAN 5 MONTHS

are complete, and utter morons.

There is no such thing as 120%, it doesn't exist nor is it possible!

[Gav]

Is an option to get Poggy to sign a pre-contract agreement if he is wants to play for Rovers - then make do until Jan with what we've got up front and maybe another loan?

At least that way Sam would know what money he could spend on strengthening the midfield.

We can't wait until January for a striker to come in, we need one now.

But signing this lad on a pre-contract agreement would be a good option, but not sure we can afford two strikers coming in on big wages.

[alexanders]

Chamakh is still available at around the £5m mark.

I say we go for him and a buy Lucas Biglia as well.

[Taggart]

Is an option to get Poggy to sign a pre-contract agreement if he is wants to play for Rovers - then make do until Jan with what we've got up front and maybe another loan?

At least that way Sam would know what money he could spend on strengthening the midfield.

good point, wonder if this is an option.

I pretty much trust BFS to make a good judgement on Poggy and the value. I don`t think he will pay over the odds, and if he does then he feels its worth it, if he walks away from it, then its obvioulsy not worth the money/wages or Poggy isn`t interested.

If thye have quoted 9 million, in most cases this is an opening value and we work up from our value, and they work down from theirs and meet somewhere along the way !

[Andy3809]

There is no such thing as 120%, it doesn't exist nor is it possible!

If you place a ten pound bet and it wins and the bookie gives you 22 back, how much as a percentage are you in profit?

[Taggart]

If you place a ten pound bet and it wins and the bookie gives you 22 back, how much as a percentage are you in profit?

sorry, doesn`t stand up i`m afraid, it`s a mis-conception- go look up the meaning of % and come back - actually, it doesn`t matter as this is seriously off topic.

"It is a well known cliché that many in the media and sports worlds use terms such as 'The players are giving 110% out on the pitch tonight' despite the fact that such phrases do not make any mathematical sense."

"Percentages larger than 100 can be meant literally (such as "a family must earn at least 125% over the poverty line to sponsor a spouse visa")."

[S15]

"It is a well known cliché that many in the media and sports worlds use terms such as 'The players are giving 110% out on the pitch tonight' despite the fact that such phrases do not make any mathematical sense."

Well atleast you provided one sentence of worth within all that pedantic crap about percentages..

It also makes no 'mathimatical sense' to pay NINE MILLION PERCENT MORE on something than you'll have to in five months.

[Torgeir]

Chamakh is still available at around the £5m mark.

I say we go for him and a buy Lucas Biglia as well.

£5 million? Says who?

[Taggart]

Well atleast you provided one sentence of worth within all that pedantic crap about percentages..

It also makes no 'mathimatical sense' to pay NINE MILLION PERCENT MORE on something than you'll have to in five months.

Apologies, your absolutely right, it was quite pedantic reading back on it.

I don`t think we will have to pay 9 million for Poggy BTW, just because we have been quoted it, doesn`t mean that this si the figure that would be agreed.

I do agree though, that 9 million is too much to pay, but i rather suspect that the figure will come down, due to the fact that they may end up with nothing if they let him go when his contract is up - surely they would prefer a % of his value before he leaves for nothing :-)

[Rovermatt]

Pogrebnyak has an excellent reputation however Russian footballers (aside from Arshavin who is just a simply brilliant player) have a long history of failing to settle outside their homeland. Lancashire might be a bit too tropical for him.

[Ricky]

Santa Cruz was reported to be on around the 60k mark so the wages probably aren't too much of an issue there. Bents on 90k so that would cause us more of a problem. If we can get his fee down and also if he's interested in the move this could be a goer.

[alexanders]

£5 million? Says who?

I think he is still available, he went on the Canada trip with Bordeux.

He is valued around the 5 million mark.

[thenodrog]

Thing is when he's free bigger clubs with more cash will be after him and we'll stand no chance.

That does not compute.

I really don't see the problem here. It's the nature of the beast.

The money is (allegedly) there for a striker, and we won't get anyone better than Pogrebnyak. Why on earth would we jeapardise our future in the Premier League for the sake of saving £3m-£4m??

Pay it.

Now whats that old saying about fool's and their money?

[thenodrog]

Did you know that Tugay turned us down the year before he joined? Doesn't seem as important now, does it?

I didn't know that. Rem though we were in the Championship and not the Prem at the time. Is that why we got Eyal Berkowitz?

And NO, I say no to buying him for 9 million, but if we can negotiate it down to say 6 million...I say go for it.

6m is based on what mandrake?

[mattjansen]

What are your views on Sam attending the Ajax - Benfica game?? Targets??

Could be Cardozo?

[wandel77]

WOW been away for a week, and still no news on the striker front. Hmmm im worried that we start the season with Roberts and Benni up front.

But i will keep the faith.

[67splitscreen]

Di Santo scores again, Chelsea 2 Club America 0

Makes you wonder if he will now want to stay and fight for his place, hope not guess we will know this week.

[Hughesy]

Again we have to be patient.

If Zenit have some bad results knocking them out of contention between now and 1 September no doubt the £9m price will come down.

Worth remembering that in all the protracted on-off negotiations involving the Arshavin and Pav transfers, Arsenal and Spurs pretty well got their men at the price they wanted to pay for them. Do Rovers have the same balls and determination?

Getting Di Santo is terribly important to us right now though.

Its an awesome piece of business if we pull it off. It gives us that bit of breathing space and allows us to have the balls to play their waiting game - if not then our hand might just be forced.

Seems like a few more strikers are starting to become available, so prices should start dropping - Chamakh, Poggy, Crouch, Bent, Zamora & Gudjohnsen are all known to be available.

[T4E]

I didn't know that. Rem though we were in the Championship and not the Prem at the time. Is that why we got Eyal Berkowitz?

Indeed it was. Us playing Championship football was exactly the reason he turned us down, which isn't far away from being the same reason that Pogrebnyak turned us down in January.

[RevidgeBlue]

Unbelievable, it looks like Sam has gone to the considerable trouble and expense of travelling over to Russia without knowing what the Russians wanted for Pog.

What a waste of time and money seemingly.

As for the fee, the ONLY question to be considered is, is he good enough to warrant a 9m fee?

If he is, and is better than the other alternatives, then we need to look at it seriously. It's completely irrelevant that he is out of contract soon, if we sign him he won't be shortly out of contract then and we will have a valuable and hopefully appreciating asset. We can't afford to wait until January by which time we could be adrift at the bottom of the table and we would probably be priced out by other clubs who could pay much higher wages.

Next question, is he really that good or are we ONLY looking at him because of the contract situation and trying to get him on the cheap?

[LeChuck]

I hope we can use Sam's record at Bolton as a selling point for us. Hopefully we can point to the fact that he had them challenging for 4th spot in his time there on a small budget and hopes to replicate that here, if we do that I reckon we've got a good chance of landing someone like Pogrebnyak.

Hughesy makes a very good point too - the sooner we get Di Santo in the better, it puts us in a much stronger bargaining positioning because we won't seem anywhere near as desperate to sign someone.

Edit: Rev - without the contract situation we wouldn't be able to afford Pogrebnyak, look at how much Spurs had to pay for Pavlyuchenko, and he's not considered to be as good as Pogrebnyak.