[Archived] Blackburn Rovers Transfer Topic

[Hughesy]

No, definitely Championship...and for a few quid.

Any idea on the fee we are talking?

[nicko]

Any idea on the fee we are talking?

I don't...but I would stab at £150,000-ish.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Nicko,

Do you think that there is a chance that Villa will let John Carew go? They seem to be looking to bring in a striker (Berg perhaps), and with Heskey having only arrived 6 months ago, it would appear that Carew maybe isn't central to MON's future plans.

Do you know if he is one of the names on Sam's striker shortlist (or 'longlist', as the case may be)? Any idea what he would cost in transfer fee and wages?

I would love to see him at rovers!

Misses too many games for me. Another Santa Cruz- no thanks.

[T4E]

Nicko,

Do you think that there is a chance that Villa will let John Carew go? They seem to be looking to bring in a striker (Berg perhaps), and with Heskey having only arrived 6 months ago, it would appear that Carew maybe isn't central to MON's future plans.

Do you know if he is one of the names on Sam's striker shortlist (or 'longlist', as the case may be)? Any idea what he would cost in transfer fee and wages?

I would love to see him at rovers!

I wish these Villa fans wouldn't keep trying to fool us. Admit what you are, follow the board rules and you'll be accepted just fine.

[trs]

Bradford fans seem to think Fielding is signing for them...

Could it be North End?

Lonergan to Sheff Utd or even us?

[John]

Papers today linking Lonergan with us.

Bruce talked to Sbragia on Tuesday and Allardyce met the former Sunderland manager later in the week with the offer to renew their Bolton relationship.

[cn174]

I really don't know why we'd want Lonergan. I've seen him a few times and he isn't that good. Most of the North End fans I know don't rate him either.

[Fife Rover]

If RSC went for 18 million, Samba discussions start over 20 mil.

Not having a go at you in any way American, but there have been a number of people who have objected to the proposed sale of Samba with expressions of "negotiations start at £x" which is usually a low figure in my opinion compared to the actual worth of Samba as a young and already very good CB. Then considering that as many have already said he is only going to get still better with age and more experience, I feel that we should be making due allowance for all these factors and quoting a price to any really insistent suitors of at least £35m. That should both signal our intention to keep him, and also completely discourage all but the insanely rich clubs who would have to demonstrate their serious intent to buy by negotiating around that starting price. Remember also that negotiations only ever go in one direction......downwards! So starting at £35m gives Rovers the protection of either turning off most clubs (possibly Man C. excepted) and in the case he does go, more than adequate compensation (assuming Rovers don't allow the arguing down process to get too far down).

[DeadlyDirk]

Not having a go at you in any way American, but there have been a number of people who have objected to the proposed sale of Samba with expressions of "negotiations start at £x" which is usually a low figure in my opinion compared to the actual worth of Samba as a young and already very good CB. Then considering that as many have already said he is only going to get still better with age and more experience, I feel that we should be making due allowance for all these factors and quoting a price to any really insistent suitors of at least £35m. That should both signal our intention to keep him, and also completely discourage all but the insanely rich clubs who would have to demonstrate their serious intent to buy by negotiating around that starting price. Remember also that negotiations only ever go in one direction......downwards! So starting at £35m gives Rovers the protection of either turning off most clubs (possibly Man C. excepted) and in the case he does go, more than adequate compensation (assuming Rovers don't allow the arguing down process to get too far down).

It would be nonsense though considering the size of club we are and the finances we have available.

Do you honestly think if we quoted a price of 35m other clubs would think, 'Hmm fair enough there is no point bidding anything less'.

I want him to stay and we have to remember that right now this is just speculation that he could even go but if we recieve any bids above 10m the chairman and manager are going to be tempted, 15m plus and they'd definitely have their man.

[braddock]

It would be nonsense though considering the size of club we are and the finances we have available.

Do you honestly think if we quoted a price of 35m other clubs would think, 'Hmm fair enough there is no point bidding anything less'.

I want him to stay and we have to remember that right now this is just speculation that he could even go but if we recieve any bids above 10m the chairman and manager are going to be tempted, 15m plus and they'd definitely have their man.

exactly right

[joey_big_nose]

Diouf has had a better year than Bentley. and the rest of the squad? What matches have been watching? Better than Bentley at Spurs maybe

Thats exactly what I mean. Maybe at another club Bentley would of had a decent season but it is a fair point that he has been totally rubbish this year. There is little to guarantee that if he had stayed at Rovers that he would have not had just as poor a season this season - I mean look at RSC and McCarthy's second seasons... Or even the difference between Pedersen in 2006 and 2007....

Just saying.

[Fife Rover]

It would be nonsense though considering the size of club we are and the finances we have available.

Do you honestly think if we quoted a price of 35m other clubs would think, 'Hmm fair enough there is no point bidding anything less'.

I want him to stay and we have to remember that right now this is just speculation that he could even go but if we recieve any bids above 10m the chairman and manager are going to be tempted, 15m plus and they'd definitely have their man.

I didn't say that any seriously interested club would be put off, but my point was and still is that if any club wants to seriously make a play for Samba there has to be much more than just adequate compensation in the form of enough to buy another half-decent CB. Just look at the prices that have been paid in recent transfers of good CB's. How much did Ferdinand go for to Man U.? Is he any better than Samba potentially is?

Also there has to be plenty of room to negotiate downwards and still leave enough for Rovers to genuinely replace what Samba is worth to us. Figures of £10m or even £15m are ludicrously inadequate to compensate Rovers for what they would be losing. Surely you can see that!

[Blueandwhitemike]

I'm not in favour of selling Samba even if we get a big bid. Not only is it a bad idea to sell too many big players but if we think Samba is good and has a high value and is likely to get better, then who is to say his value won't rise next season. We sold RSC and it is funding our spending this summer, save Samba's big sale until next season and it can fund our spending then.

[DeadlyDirk]

I didn't say that any seriously interested club would be put off, but my point was and still is that if any club wants to seriously make a play for Samba there has to be much more than just adequate compensation in the form of enough to buy another half-decent CB. Just look at the prices that have been paid in recent transfers of good CB's. How much did Ferdinand go for to Man U.? Is he any better than Samba potentially is?

Also there has to be plenty of room to negotiate downwards and still leave enough for Rovers to genuinely replace what Samba is worth to us. Figures of £10m or even £15m are ludicrously inadequate to compensate Rovers for what they would be losing. Surely you can see that!

Don't get me wrong as I really rate Samba but the fact is we are not a big club who can command huge fees, getting 17-18m for Bentley and RSC was fantastic.

A figure of 15m is huge to a club like us just in terms of stability and it would help ensure no further sales in the immediate future.

BFS and JW would think that we have Nelsen and Givet who can be a very good defensive partnership with the likes of Zurab as backup plus 15m or so to invest in the club.

Also I don't want to be one of those clubs like Spuds who quote ridiculous fees then slowly overtime negotiate downwards, we should stick to our guns, decide what he is worth be it 1m or 100m and tell anyone that wants him to take it or leave it, if we set the fee of what we believe him to be worth then it shouldn't be up for negotiation.

I don't really agree with your Ferdinand comparison, I think Rio had shown a lot more both in terms of how good he was at the time and potentially than Samba has. Rio was the youngest defender ever to play for England and had already moved to Leeds for around 18m breaking the british transfer record if I remember correctly.

[Iceman]

Nicko any word on how Vieri and Van Der Meyde are doing, in pre season training. I know you said VDM looked good in training, but was that just a once off?

[Fife Rover]

I'm not in favour of selling Samba even if we get a big bid. Not only is it a bad idea to sell too many big players but if we think Samba is good and has a high value and is likely to get better, then who is to say his value won't rise next season. We sold RSC and it is funding our spending this summer, save Samba's big sale until next season and it can fund our spending then.

I fully agree. I know Rovers have to sell to survive these days (though I am not sure that was ever Jacks intention) but we have in recent years sold too many of our star players and we are now down to the bare bones. Right now there is really only Samba that has any very great value on today's market and we will never be able to replace him with equal value as a player unless we sell at a massive price which is only following the present trend in star player "values". Notice I use the word values very loosely because there is no way on God's Earth that ANY of the transfers of star players actually represent their true values. It is no more than sheer greed and market forces at work, and rovers have been victims of this trend far too many times in the past. If you can't beat them; join them!

As I have said many times over the last 5 years: the quicker the whole rotten business that is PL football implodes on it's own greed the better it will be for the game of football overall, and the supporters that have to fund it in particular.

[thenodrog]

Not having a go at you in any way American, but there have been a number of people who have objected to the proposed sale of Samba with expressions of "negotiations start at £x" which is usually a low figure in my opinion compared to the actual worth of Samba as a young and already very good CB. Then considering that as many have already said he is only going to get still better with age and more experience, I feel that we should be making due allowance for all these factors and quoting a price to any really insistent suitors of at least £35m. That should both signal our intention to keep him, and also completely discourage all but the insanely rich clubs who would have to demonstrate their serious intent to buy by negotiating around that starting price. Remember also that negotiations only ever go in one direction......downwards! So starting at £35m gives Rovers the protection of either turning off most clubs (possibly Man C. excepted) and in the case he does go, more than adequate compensation (assuming Rovers don't allow the arguing down process to get too far down).

1. Rem Samba's agent will have a say in all this.

2. If we value him at 35m then we will be obliged to pay him on that valuation.

Nowadays it's a case of heads the players win and tails the club loses every which way.

As a club we have to continually develop and sell to survive. Hughes's legacy to the clubs coffers after just a few short years in charge is circa 50m whilst Souness's was the square root of sweet FA so it remains to be seen whether Sam Allardyce can continue and build on Hughes momentum.

[roversmad95]

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POSTED: 03/07/2006 15:19:56

[Al]

There is no way we can afford to sell Samba at this time. We have already sold Santa Cruz and Debyshire ( I have no problem with those sales) but if we also sell Samba what sort of message does that give to potential incoming players. It's hard enough to attract them as it is.

We need at least one big signing before we can let any more players (Andrews, Treacey or equivalent excepted) be sold. Just my opinion.

[nicko]

Nicko any word on how Vieri and Van Der Meyde are doing, in pre season training. I know you said VDM looked good in training, but was that just a once off?

I hear both will be kept on for the trip to Croatia...or wherever...this week.

[andymo]

I hear both will be kept on for the trip to Croatia...or wherever...this week.

how's the striker hunt going Nicko?

any mystery guests on tour??

[S15]

The mind boggles as to how that question can be asked...

[nicko]

how's the striker hunt going Nicko?

any mystery guests on tour??

It's a slow summer so far for striker moves...everywhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more trialists coming, but no names yet.

This made me smile I have to say...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Mbia

[Doaksie]

I hear both will be kept on for the trip to Croatia...or wherever...this week.

Would you know Alan, if we will see either Vieri or VDM get any game time in the Cambridge game on Tuesday, or are they deemed too 'off the pace', as it were?

[saxo1man30]

Would you know Alan, if we will see either Vieri or VDM get any game time in the Cambridge game on Tuesday, or are they deemed too 'off the pace', as it were?

i`m wondering whether that game will just be a `rovers 11` side, made up of youth and reserves. it`d be an awful lot of travelling about to return from austria, play cambridge, fly out to italy, play roma, then pop off to croatia for the 2 45 minute games wouldn`t it? i think rovers would get slammed for their carbon footprint marks left everywhere..