[Archived] Blackburn Rovers Transfer Topic

[nicko]

Would you know Alan, if we will see either Vieri or VDM get any game time in the Cambridge game on Tuesday, or are they deemed too 'off the pace', as it were?

I don't know if that is a first-team game or for the ressies...it would make sense to give all of the players a half.

How big are their dressing rooms?

[Tom]

Nicko any news on when Hoilett is due to arrive, hope he gets a run out on Tuesday but I imagine he wont just yet.

[RovertheHill]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Mbia

We need supporters like that Fantastic effort.

Nicko - is there any word from the likes of Davies, Jones or any of our other targets whether they would be interested in a move to Rovers?

[XLM]

It would be nonsense though considering the size of club we are and the finances we have available.

Do you honestly think if we quoted a price of 35m other clubs would think, 'Hmm fair enough there is no point bidding anything less'.

I want him to stay and we have to remember that right now this is just speculation that he could even go but if we recieve any bids above 10m the chairman and manager are going to be tempted, 15m plus and they'd definitely have their man.

What's the point though? What is the 15m (for example) worth to us when we won't be able to buy anyone equivalent with it?

Players for us need to have vastly inflated prices because that is what they are worth to Blackburn Rovers. Lets face it, we can attract very few players to Ewood, so the players that we do have are worth so much more because they're actually here. When was the last time we adequately replaced someone?

The money is nice in the short term but if we do nothing with it and just wait for it to be worth even less in the transfer market there is no point. Players are a clubs main asset, players are what keep you in the division so surely we can't go letting our best players leave without a fight.

... Having said that though I could see him leaving for offers over 10m, it'd just be another step down the slippery slope, but I can see it happening.

[nicko]

Nicko any news on when Hoilett is due to arrive, hope he gets a run out on Tuesday but I imagine he wont just yet.

I believe he is in this week. Hopefully he gets a run-out soon.

Nicko - is there any word from the likes of Davies, Jones or any of our other targets whether they would be interested in a move to Rovers?

It's an interesting question. As we speak, no striker seems to be breaking down the door to push for a move to Rovers...I think Sam is just waiting to see who becomes available at the right price...and who else wants to sign them.

Starting to think this could be a long-ish process. The flurry of calls a week or so agao just provided figures and confirmation that this is a very tough market.

The half-hearted way that you moved for Davies would not have been enough to get the player to stamp his feet and demand a move.

[Mr. E]

man.....let's just pour that money in the youth system and play with the local lads, at least we'll stop these transfer headaches and concentrate on the training and football.

[roversmad95]

It would be nonsense though considering the size of club we are and the finances we have available.

Do you honestly think if we quoted a price of 35m other clubs would think, 'Hmm fair enough there is no point bidding anything less'.

I want him to stay and we have to remember that right now this is just speculation that he could even go but if we recieve any bids above 10m the chairman and manager are going to be tempted, 15m plus and they'd definitely have their man.

i would like him to stay as most of us would but i think your on the money there...... 12m plus = gone(imo).....

[den]

Don't get me wrong as I really rate Samba but the fact is we are not a big club who can command huge fees, getting 17-18m for Bentley and RSC was fantastic.

Why can't we? Plenty of our players have brought big fees in the past, so why can't we now? Are you suggesting that we have to sell at any price because of our financial position?

[DeadlyDirk]

What's the point though? What is the 15m (for example) worth to us when we won't be able to buy anyone equivalent with it?

Players for us need to have vastly inflated prices because that is what they are worth to Blackburn Rovers. Lets face it, we can attract very few players to Ewood, so the players that we do have are worth so much more because they're actually here. When was the last time we adequately replaced someone?

The money is nice in the short term but if we do nothing with it and just wait for it to be worth even less in the transfer market there is no point. Players are a clubs main asset, players are what keep you in the division so surely we can't go letting our best players leave without a fight.

... Having said that though I could see him leaving for offers over 10m, it'd just be another step down the slippery slope, but I can see it happening.

Like you said at the end really, you could see him leaving for 10m+, I'm just trying to be realistic, I don't think there is any point in setting a 30m+ valuation when we know it would take a lot less to get him.

All in all we probably couldn't buy someone to replace him, we'd probably make do with Nelsen and Givet who are very good in their own right and then have the likes of Zurab as backup. The 15m would be invested in other areas, perhaps the youth or other areas of the squad.

I don't want him to go, I don't want us to consider selling him but people are living in a dream world if they think he would go for more than 15m, 10m would probably be closer. I don't like it but it's simply the way things are.

The fact of the matter is at the moment it isn't an issue, as far as we know he hasn't asked for a move and as far as we know nobody has enquired about him, let's hope that stays the same for the rest of the summer and his 'valuation' is incidental.

Why can't we? Plenty of our players have brought big fees in the past, so why can't we now? Are you suggesting that we have to sell at any price because of our financial position?

I'm saying that in our financial position we couldn't turn down 15m for him, not that we should sell him at any price.

Again just to reiterate that I don't want us to sell him, I want him to stay but I'm just trying to be realistic.

[den]

I'm saying that in our financial position we couldn't turn down 15m for him, not that we should sell him at any price.

This might sound not nice, but do you know what our financial position is, because I don't.

[DeadlyDirk]

This might sound not nice, but do you know what our financial position is, because I don't.

I'm not going to try and pretend I'm an expert on our finances, obviously right now it will be inflated as we are presumably going to be spending a fair amount of money on a striker with the money we received for RSC.

If you take that out of the equation then in my estimation (Coming from last season's accounts, the fact that we finished a lot lower than we probably anticipated at the start of the season, together with some comments from JW, which I believe were posted on here by a forum member who had a chat to him, or could have been in the LT as well as comments to lower the wage bill.) our finances are simply 'okay'. Under no real pressure to sell but not with a lot to splash out on players either.

I know prices are inflated right now but I just think 15m for Samba or any of our current crop of player is a lot of money and would mean that we are more protected financially as a club for the future.

[XLM]

Like you said at the end really, you could see him leaving for 10m+, I'm just trying to be realistic, I don't think there is any point in setting a 30m+ valuation when we know it would take a lot less to get him.

All in all we probably couldn't buy someone to replace him, we'd probably make do with Nelsen and Givet who are very good in their own right and then have the likes of Zurab as backup. The 15m would be invested in other areas, perhaps the youth or other areas of the squad.

I don't want him to go, I don't want us to consider selling him but people are living in a dream world if they think he would go for more than 15m, 10m would probably be closer. I don't like it but it's simply the way things are.

The fact of the matter is at the moment it isn't an issue, as far as we know he hasn't asked for a move and as far as we know nobody has enquired about him, let's hope that stays the same for the rest of the summer and his 'valuation' is incidental.

I'm saying that in our financial position we couldn't turn down 15m for him, not that we should sell him at any price.

Again just to reiterate that I don't want us to sell him, I want him to stay but I'm just trying to be realistic.

I know you wouldn't want us to sell him and realistically we probably would sell him if we were to be offered in the region of 15m, but I'm saying that even in our financial position it would be a mistake to accept a bid of that much because the players we have are worth more than that to us.

It's about balancing the short term with the long term, unfortunately for us we aren't in a position to invest in youth. We have to put our profit straight back into the transfer market to stay in the league. We need to change the trend of, if someone has a good season they move on to better things. We have to show ambition by keeping our best players, otherwise we'll be nothing more than a stepping stone and when we can't find anyone to come in a fill the boots of the departed, we'll get relegated.

That's the way I see it anyway.

[DeadlyDirk]

I know you wouldn't want us to sell him and realistically we probably would sell him if we were to be offered in the region of 15m, but I'm saying that even in our financial position it would be a mistake to accept a bid of that much because the players we have are worth more than that to us.

It's about balancing the short term with the long term, unfortunately for us we aren't in a position to invest in youth. We have to put our profit straight back into the transfer market to stay in the league. We need to change the trend of, if someone has a good season they move on to better things. We have to show ambition by keeping our best players, otherwise we'll be nothing more than a stepping stone and when we can't find anyone to come in a fill the boots of the departed, we'll get relegated.

That's the way I see it anyway.

Well to be honest I agree with you, it won't be an easy decision and it certainly is a tough balancing act, Hughes did a great job of finding unknown talent such as Nelsen and Samba, we certainly can't do that forever.

I'm glad I'm not the one making the decision as it certainly wouldn't be an easy one, as I said before let's hope it's talk about nothing because as far as we know, he doesn't want to go and no clubs have enquired.

Still if a 15m bid was accepted today we'd have circa 30m to spend on a striker, center midfielder and perhaps a young up and coming defender while relying on the likes of Nelsen and Givet at CB with Zurab, Gunning, possible new signing as backup, which in my opinion would make us a stronger team as a whole. That's assuming though we have a manager and scouting network who can find a striker, midfielder and defender with 30m.

[Iceman]

I wish we can at least sign 1 striker. Even if its a 10th division striker. Im getting so bored right now. Lol

[DeadlyDirk]

I wish we can at least sign 1 striker. Even if its a 10th division striker. Im getting so bored right now. Lol

He's staying put so you'll have to stay bored

[Iceman]

He's staying put so you'll have to stay bored

Urgh. I should have known that DeadlyDirk. Lol. It seems we running into brick walls with finding a striker. If we dont replace Roque and Derbs with quality, then Sam has alot of explaining to do. Imo we should have had at least a Derbyshire replacement in by now.

[gumboots]

Still if a 15m bid was accepted today we'd have circa 30m to spend on a striker, center midfielder and perhaps a young up and coming defender while relying on the likes of Nelsen and Givet at CB with Zurab, Gunning, possible new signing as backup, which in my opinion would make us a stronger team as a whole. That's assuming though we have a manager and scouting network who can find a striker, midfielder and defender with 30m.

I don't think you are ever a stronger team when you keep selling your better players. It sends out too many negative vibes about your club to players who might think of joining you. I accept that there may have to be more players sold this year but surely we can get rid of some of the lesser players and save on their wages too without needing another big sale.

And I too am bored with the striker thing. I've been away for a few days and would have liked to hear on my return that we had got a clearer picture of who we might be after or who we could definitely rule out. Wasn't expecting to be close to bringing someone in but just a bit of clarity. Seems we are still no nearer deciding what we really want even, let alone working out which players we might target. Mind you it does seem to be the same for most clubs.

[DeadlyDirk]

Urgh. I should have known that DeadlyDirk. Lol. It seems we running into brick walls with finding a striker. If we dont replace Roque and Derbs with quality, then Sam has alot of explaining to do. Imo we should have had at least a Derbyshire replacement in by now.

It's very boring right now but I think we just have to be patient really until someone comes up.

Derbs people seem to be either side of the fence on, personally I would have liked to see him stay but can see why we let him go.

RSC I think we all know had to go, he obviously wanted to join City and it's hard to hold players against their will these days, at least not for long, look at Ronaldo.

With the prices of 12-16m being quoted for the likes of Bent and Crouch I can certainly see why we are not going in for them, simply not worth our entire budget on.

Nobody else has moved really that I've seen when I've though, Hmm why didn't we show an interest in him. City as usual seem to be holding up the rest of the market.

[DeadlyDirk]

I don't think you are ever a stronger team when you keep selling your better players. It sends out too many negative vibes about your club to players who might think of joining you. I accept that there may have to be more players sold this year but surely we can get rid of some of the lesser players and save on their wages too without needing another big sale.

And I too am bored with the striker thing. I've been away for a few days and would have liked to hear on my return that we had got a clearer picture of who we might be after or who we could definitely rule out. Wasn't expecting to be close to bringing someone in but just a bit of clarity. Seems we are still no nearer deciding what we really want even, let alone working out which players we might target. Mind you it does seem to be the same for most clubs.

In an ideal world yes I'd rather see some of our lesser talented players leave to raise funds but clubs don't want them unless they are on the cheap, and I agree it doesn't send out good messages if you sell your best players but it's down to the manager and the chairmen to make the decision.

If the manager thinks that selling Samba for 15m wouldn't improve the squad then he shouldn't be sold, simple as that really, if he thinks we can improve the team with 15m minus Samba then move it on. That's what he's paid millions to do.

If we hadn't signed Givet I would say there is no point in selling but with him permanently at the club now I think 15m could be spent wisely elsewhere.

[gumboots]

The half-hearted way that you moved for Davies would not have been enough to get the player to stamp his feet and demand a move.

Is that partly down to the fact that although the manager wanted him, nobody else really did and therefore they don't want to provoke him into demanding a move?

[Hughesy]

This made me smile I have to say...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Mbia

"It turns out that he just used the Potters to seal his deal to Marseille,a move that has infuriated Dr Pulisimus Pottermus,a Stoke City supporting Cameroonian Witch Doctor,who has cast a spell on M'Bia's close family to have warts on their Penis/labia."

[Fife Rover]

Let's be quite clear about the Samba sell or keep situation. I am implacably against selling Samba, and I believe that any club making enquiries about his availability should be told in the firmest terms we can muster (but politely) that he is NOT for sale. My earlier reference to £35m was intended as an off-putter to any club that still persisted or if Samba himself (or his agent) presses the point.

Samba remains our one remaining player of high value and still for some time increasingly so. As such we simply cannot afford to let him go now. his value to us as both player and investment make it imperative that we keep him for the forseeable future.

[Balwer]

Nicko said there will be some big news to hit the premiership, is it this AIDs story thats going around.

6 players been tested apparently

Careful, I guessed that originally and had my post deleted.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I thought the big story was Kenny failing a drugs test?

And I wonder how much of a hand Nicko provided with the HIV exclusive, seeing as it was in The People.

[brian_gallagher85]

Probably none as he doesn't chase the "Cheryl Cole's of the World" around the country...well not for his day job anyway