[Archived] Blackburn Rovers Transfer Topic

[DeadlyDirk]

grabbi?

We bought Grabbi off the back of scoring goals in Serie B which is surely a lesser standard league than the Austrian first division, either way he wasn't banging in 40, more like 15-20.

There is no comparison.

[Hughesy]

RSC was always hyped as a future star, however like EWI says he didnt really have an amazing season until he 20+ for us.

He was an injury hit player and therefore he too was a risk - however a much smaller cost risk at just £3.5m

[Majiball]

Benni I agree with, he had the pedigree.

I can't agree at all with RSC though, wasn't his best season's tally previously 5 goals? He was certainly a risk, but obviously a well calculated one by Hughes. Under this supposed criteria we are using now, someone like Roque wouldn't even make it to the shortlist, which is a real shame because I think there are more players like him out there.

RSC wasn't that well know over here, but he was always highly rated even as a kid. Bayern persevered with him for how many years? Even with all his injuries if he wasn't a top player or prospect they would never have done it. Injuries where the only issue with RSC at least we can do something about that. No he never scored the goals at Bayern, but no-one doubted his talent.

I agree there must be a diamond out there, but with our head scout leaving and obvious backroom additions to come, lets wait and see ( hopefully new contacts). Finding a diamond will not be easy now.

To honest though I want a "Gala signing" we've already signed one or two or three possibly four gambles this season, potentially they could all flop (I know so could the gala, but the risk factor is lower), I want something a bit more concrete with a strong record over at least a few seasons. I would love premier league experience because we must finish safely in mid-table next season to ensure we have serious funds again next year, and it would be a safer bet.

If we struggle and we lose out on place money we would normally get another year on the trot, I would start too worry. We have no serious player assets left now from the team that achieved those feats. So we'd struggle to raise the kind of cash to push on, un less bought which is never going to happen.

Middlesbourgh had a similar choice not too long ago, they gambled, so I want something safer for the main striker role.

As for scouting yes you get a great idea of the player his technique and so on, but the one thing you can never get 100% right is whether he will make it in our league, its so different to europe. Maybe if they'd let him trial or something at least then you'd get an idea, but they won't.

At the end of the day even if we spend 10-12 just on the striker, provided he does well and scores at least 15 (we will need someone to do it next year to be comfortable), then what would his value be in the current monopoly like world of football?? 20 maybe 30 with two years like that? The potential to make money from these bargain buys is far greater yes but so's the risk. Who's to say clubs would even buy him if he did flop, no-ones sniffing around him now it would appear.

[Iceman]

On that basis, Mick McCarthy, Alex McLeish, Kevin Blackwell and Steve Coppell are all better managers than Coyley.

To be fair, most of those managers had alot more money to spend. Also most have them, if not all have had bad spells. They not consistent enough, struggling to keep their teams up for more than a season. If Coyle keeps Burnley up, and somehow(i doubt it) manages to maintain the EPL status for 2 or 3 years in a row, then his achievement would be better than some of the managers mentioned above.

[nicko]

Does Coyley have no faith in the team that got them promoted Nicko? Or will those new signings be on the bench. The players who worked hard to get Burnley promoted, and now have to be sacrificed must be disappointed. Then again, i suppose you have to do what's necessary to stay up. Which begs the question, are the players of last season not good enough for the tough life of Premiership football?

No. He ran a tiny squad with no cover. So now he has competition. But Burnley will keep more of the side that got them up than most - and certainly either of the other two clubs that came up.

And, by the way, if you combined the wages of the five players signed so far they would be earning LESS than Kevin Doyle is on with his new deal at Wolves.

[Iceman]

No. He ran a tiny squad with no cover. So now he has competition. But Burnley will keep more of the side that got them up than most - and certainly either of the other two clubs that came up.

And, by the way, if you combined the wages of the five players signed so far they would be earning LESS than Kevin Doyle is on with his new deal at Wolves.

Any plans to have the bus parade come the end of the season, to celebrate finishing 17th? Lol

[Ewood and I Would]

To be fair, most of those managers had alot more money to spend. Also most have them, if not all have had bad spells. They not consistent enough, struggling to keep their teams up for more than a season. If Coyle keeps Burnley up, and somehow(i doubt it) manages to maintain the EPL status for 2 or 3 years in a row, then his achievement would be better than some of the managers mentioned above.

I totally agree, I was just refuting nicko's point about Coyle being better than Martinez based purely on the league position. In fact, the original point made highlighted the fact (like you did) that Martinez had less money than Coyle and yet played the most attractive football in the league....to which Alan just said "yeah but look at the league positions"...

Sorry in advance if your post was supporting, rather than refuting, my point Iceman.

[Plastic Head]

Burnley are down already. End of.

After 10 games they will have 4 points...5 max. No way back from that even if Shaikh Al-Dingle Abber Dabber comes along.

[hi-jaq]

Burnley are down already. End of.

After 10 games they will have 4 points...5 max. No way back from that even if Shaikh Al-Dingle Abber Dabber comes along.

[mr bishi]

On that basis, Mick McCarthy, Alex McLeish, Kevin Blackwell and Steve Coppell are all better managers than Coyley.

McCarthy is though, he managed to bring our national side to the world cup and was quiet successful at it. Despite our only world class player throwing a hissy fit and (Please don't use that word again)ing back home to mind his dogs.

[nicko]

Roberto Martinez's Swansea record for whole of 2008-09 season...played 53, won 20, drew 21, lost 12.

Owen Coyle's Burnley record for the whole of 2008-09 season...played 61, won 31, drew 16, lost 14.

Yup, Roberto definitely has the edge there.

[Billy Castell]

I'd be happy with either if they kept up their successes. Mind you, I'd get bored of his own Wayland Smithers rining me at 11 o'clockto tell me that certain players have fallen out with their managers . It was Swansea's 1st season in the 1st division I believe, so that does add to Mr. Martinez's kudos, just as the cup games do to Owen Coyle.

I think we can all agree that both are far, far better than you-know-who.

[DeadlyDirk]

Martinez and Coyle are two up and coming managers that have done relatively well so far, the real test for them will be next season so let's just wait and see.

Any other news of Rovers interest nicko? Anymore news on Fielding, has the Zurab link completley fallen through now? (Hopefully) Are Fulham likely to come back in for Andrews?

BFS seems to be playing the strikers quite close to his chest and has only commented on players name dropped by other reporters, would that be a fair assesment? The player we bring in could literally be anyone right now from what we know I guess.

Any timescale on the Di Santo deal? I guess Ancelotti wants a decent look at him but ideally we'd want to give him a chance to train with our squad and feature in pres season too.

[nicko]

Any other news of Rovers interest nicko? Anymore news on Fielding, has the Zurab link completley fallen through now? (Hopefully) Are Fulham likely to come back in for Andrews?

BFS seems to be playing the strikers quite close to his chest and has only commented on players name dropped by other reporters, would that be a fair assesment? The player we bring in could literally be anyone right now from what we know I guess.

Any timescale on the Di Santo deal? I guess Ancelotti wants a decent look at him but ideally we'd want to give him a chance to train with our squad and feature in pres season too.

I think Sam knows the guy he wants...just trying to confirm it before committing to that one.

Di Santo should be ok and will be here by the end of the month.

No latest on Fielding or Zurab. Fulham going for Greening would suggest he is an Andrews alternative, so they are shopping around.

[DeadlyDirk]

I think Sam knows the guy he wants...just trying to confirm it before committing to that one.

Di Santo should be ok and will be here by the end of the month.

No latest on Fielding or Zurab. Fulham going for Greening would suggest he is an Andrews alternative, so they are shopping around.

Not going to ask for clues but are we likely to be happy or dissapointed with BFS's target, or will it split opinion?

In your opinion do you rate him?

[Presty On Tour]

Roberto Martinez's Swansea record for whole of 2008-09 season...played 53, won 20, drew 21, lost 12.

Owen Coyle's Burnley record for the whole of 2008-09 season...played 61, won 31, drew 16, lost 14.

Yup, Roberto definitely has the edge there.

I would say so considering it was Swansea's first season in the championship after being promoted as champions of league 1 in Martinez first year of management and Burnley have been lingering at that level for donkeys years. P

Coyle has more experience but what Martinez has done in his first 2 years of management is nothing short if excellent judging by results and especially the football on show.

[my_name_is_Earl]

I wonder how likely it is that Sbragia will be in as head coach? For me, he would be ideal as part of the management set-up. I think Robinson leaving is good for the club, just for his connections with Ince if nothing else.

I'd also be interested in hearing why Downes and Whitbread have 'left'. Does sam have better candidates in mind or did they even like him?

Regarding the choice of striker, I think it's important that we get someone who can be successful with our system above anything else. I think its even more important than the reputation of the player, the history of the player or indeed the fee of the player. Be it, Davies, Vieri or a striker with a huge name, the most important thing is that they can play within the system that we operate. Everything else takes care of itself.

I think Sam knows the guy he wants...just trying to confirm it before committing to that one.

Is the guy he wants someone who we've already mentioned, maybe Davies?

[saxo1man30]

I think you need one striker, probably two, or you will be among the bottom six or seven again...you should be aiming higher...big Chris got you out of the cart in a couple of vital games...do you really want that again?

Wigan were poor in the second half of the season and have just lost Valencia...Martinez a better manager than Coyley?...a look at the Championship table and the Cup runs might suggest different.

Of course I am biased about Coyley. He's not let me down so far. Getting Burnley promoted was 'plain fantasy' when I dared to mention it after he arrived. Look what happened next.

first of all we wouldn`t have been `in the cart` if sam had been manager from day 1(going off rovers form under him) instead of ince. so big chris`s hero act would have only been to prevent a slump into the bottom half from the top 10, rather than to save us from the drop.

you`ve misquoted me, i said i believe martinez is a POTENTIALLY better manager IN MY VIEW(which i`m entitled to), and you`ve skipped the point that wigan have far better players.

burnley remind me(no surprise here) of bolton under rioch in the way they counter attack(only not as good). they were very good at championship(then div 1) level, but weren`t upto it in the top flight and were relegated. bolton only made an impression on the top flight under sam`s methods, their efforts at budget total football failed everytime(as it did under sammy lee too recently), burnley`s will too unless coyle changes things, certainly from a defensive viewpoint. the style they played in the championship won`t work at premier league level as teams don`t miss chances as much.

[nicko]

I got some pretty specific info on this early today but I have not had it from a second source, which I usually prefer in such cases.

If I say whether he is good/bad/whatever then it gives you a clue and builds hopes/puts you on Bridgend watch. Likewise any clues on if he has been mentioned before...although every striker with a pulse has been linked here lately.

So until I get the second lead I want then let's just leave it at that.

burnley remind me(no surprise here) of bolton under rioch in the way they counter attack(only not as good). they were very good at championship(then div 1) level, but weren`t upto it in the top flight and were relegated.

I see your point, but Bruce left and Coyley didn't. So that is a plus for Burnley compared to Bolton. Plus the Premier League is much weaker now than it was then.

[Sparky Marky]

And, by the way, if you combined the wages of the five players signed so far they would be earning LESS than Kevin Doyle is on with his new deal at Wolves.

That really says everything about the standard that's going in there....Nicko, you say that like it's a positive.....

[Tom]

From a throwaway comment by Nicko earlier today about a potential targets I fear the worst on this one.

I just hope its not Zigic.

[Iceman]

I would say so considering it was Swansea's first season in the championship after being promoted as champions of league 1 in Martinez first year of management and Burnley have been lingering at that level for donkeys years. P

Coyle has more experience but what Martinez has done in his first 2 years of management is nothing short if excellent judging by results and especially the football on show.

Beat me to it Presty. Agree, Martinez has done a superb job.

[gumboots]

From a throwaway comment by Nicko earlier today about a potential targets I fear the worst on this one.

I just hope its not Zigic.

Surely it's Luca Toni?

[Iceman]

I got some pretty specific info on this early today but I have not had it from a second source, which I usually prefer in such cases.

If I say whether he is good/bad/whatever then it gives you a clue and builds hopes/puts you on Bridgend watch. Likewise any clues on if he has been mentioned before...although every striker with a pulse has been linked here lately.

So until I get the second lead I want then let's just leave it at that.

I see your point, but Bruce left and Coyley didn't. So that is a plus for Burnley compared to Bolton. Plus the Premier League is much weaker now than it was then.

Was Bruce at Bolton? *confused*

[Kelbo]

Was Bruce at Bolton? *confused*

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