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[thenodrog]

If any Premier league footballer with a pulse isn't screwing around then I'll eat hay with a donkey. It goes with the territory. Young, good looking and as rich as Croesus with pints of testosterone coursing through their veins. Sex with the opposite sex of course is as natural as breathing. Women, and bloody good looking ones in the main, make plays for these guys all the time everywhere they go. Mrs Giggs shouldn't bother too much and I'll not weep crocodile tears for her cos it's likely thats how she netted him in the first place. They should both endeavour to be solid and dignified for the childrens sake.

Furthermore no one knows his circumstances do they? Lots of women can go off sex after childbirth. I think Jesus had it right... Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Paul]

Astonishing, absolutely astonishing. I realise some of your views are rooted in the dark ages but are you seriously justifying a husband having an affair, or simply screwing around, because his wife has gone off sex after childbirth? I would challenge you to produce a woman who agreed with this view.

Relationships are built on understanding not on physical gratification. I'd suggest any caring man would understand his wife / partner's feelings and would be able to accept such a situation.

I don't know have a single female acquaintance who would tolerate such stoneage views.

If you believe it's generally acceptable for a man to seek sex outside of his marriage / relationship could you outline the circumstances when you would find it unacceptable. Presumably you would have no issue with your wife sleeping with other men?

[den]

Alastaire Campbell's take on the twitter/media debate.

[DE.]

That's interesting Glenn and I see why some may feel some "compassion" (sympathy for his situation would be better) for Giggs. The link shows why it's so difficult to limit discussion on a topic - yes I'm going to go off topic - and how we, the public, only receive limited information from our press. As I drifted off to sleep last night my wife commented at the BBC news story "If he kept it in his trousers he wouldn't have a problem." What I say next is difficult because I don't want to sound like some great moralist whose never done a thing wrong in his life but there is a point here.

Ryan Giggs has a strong image as a clean living family man, he is regarded by many, myself included as a "proper" footballer who simply gets on with life. I used him as an example of a decent person / footballer who would not be written about in this way when discussing the case with a friend BEFORE Giggs name came out. Ironic or what? Those of us who are married or in longterm relationships surely know the ground rules; there is much a partner will forgive but sleeping with another man / woman - be it once or a thousand times - puts the whole relationship at risk. If I behaved this way I would hope, but not expect at all, to be forgiven. I very much doubt I would be forgiven because relationships and marriages are built on trust. Break the trust and the relationship is severly damaged.

I have no sympathy for Giggs as an individual but do have sympathy for the whole family. Giggs for more than 20 years has cultivated a certain image, it's been a powerful one and was apparently deserved. He deserves no sympathy for his behaviour and should his wife forgive him he is a very fortunate man. The family do deserve sympathy because The Sun, or whichever newspaper, is denying the family the right and opportunity to heal this problem in private. The Giggs family should have the chance to rebuild their life in private without the prying eyes of the press, that's how it would be for the majority of us and the Sun looks to deny this right for the sake of a front page headline. On this basis I'd argue the injunction is very valid and should be in place. There is no public interest here.

If I'm hammering Giggs it's fair we look at Thomas's involvement. Here we have a young woman prepared to sleep with a married man, exploit the situation, apparently attempt to blackmail him, attempt to set him up at subsequent meetings and sell her story to the media. If Giggs should learn to keep it in his trousers then Thomas should learn to keep her knickers on. No doubt she'll be able to sell a subsequent story about what a nice girl she really is and how she's been tricked at every turn.

Then we move to the press and Twitter. I think my views on tabloid journalism are well known. This story clearly demonstrates why ALL journalism presented in the tabloids should not be trusted. These newspapers sell scandal and pander to their readership's desires, they are not even "news"papers but simply purveyors of scandal designed to tittilate. I'd no more believe what is written on the front page as the back page. Any journalist worth his salt wouldn't consider writing for a paper which earns it's circulation out of this type of reporting, soft porn and photographs of women's underwear as they climb from taxis. I now sound like my mother but she was right, 40 years ago!!

As for Twitter. I've followed some of Glenn's tweets and see the value of them to him and others he is communicating with. I've also read many other tweets and reached the conclusion 99.99999% of Twitter is junk. The people who have chosen to publish this information on Twitter are no better than, in fact probably worse, than The Sun "journalists" (a loose description) and have probably tweeted this information for no reason other than to improve their "standing" on Twitter.

So no sympathy for Giggs as an individual but every sympathy for him and his family that they are denied the opportunity to rebuild their lives in private, the increased pressure on the family will do nothing to aid this. Giggs and his family have every right to privacy in this matter.

What is public interest? Giggs has an image, it can be argued this is false and there is public interest in showing this. But does it really matter? Ultimately he is only a good footballer and this is the only reason for his fame. There is no true public interest, just a public with an apparently insatiable desire for titillation and a media prepared to satisfy this in anyway possible. If this was a politician building a career by championing "family values" it becomes more difficult but this is only a footballer, an insignificant man except for what he can do on a football pitch.

Apologies but these things are never simple

As an aside I switched on the telly earlier, perhaps around 5.00am, and caught 2-3 minutes of the Jeremy Kyle Show. What a disgusting example of the broadcast media this programme is. I could really go off on one with that junk.

Great post there Paul, agree 100%.

[thenodrog]

Astonishing, absolutely astonishing. I realise some of your views are rooted in the dark ages but are you seriously justifying a husband having an affair, or simply screwing around, because his wife has gone off sex after childbirth? I would challenge you to produce a woman who agreed with this view.

Relationships are built on understanding not on physical gratification. I'd suggest any caring man would understand his wife / partner's feelings and would be able to accept such a situation.

I don't know have a single female acquaintance who would tolerate such stoneage views.

If you believe it's generally acceptable for a man to seek sex outside of his marriage / relationship could you outline the circumstances when you would find it unacceptable. Presumably you would have no issue with your wife sleeping with other men?

I suggest that it's you who are in the dark ages Paul. Get real, Giggs is a massively paid sports celeb not a bloody vicar. It happens and it will continue to happen until time runs out. Why are you so indignant? Has living in our antiseptic society dulled your basic instincts to sow your seed and procreate willy nilly so much? Surely you have heard the old saying 'a standing prick has no conscience'?

[HemelRover]

I suggest that it's you who are in the dark ages Paul. Get real, Giggs is a massively paid sports celeb not a bloody vicar. It happens and it will continue to happen until time runs out. Why are you so indignant? Has living in our antiseptic society dulled your basic instincts to sow your seed and procreate willy nilly so much? Surely you have heard the old saying 'a standing prick has no conscience'?

You have spectacually missed, or intentionally avoided, his point.

He was "indignant" not in the behaviour of the footballer in question or footballers in general, but in your seeming justification of infidelity if the wife goes off sex following childbirth.

[Baz]

I still find it staggering that there is all this fuss over a footballer having an affair. I just dont see how this is 'in the public interest' at all. On the other hand I also think its a bad idea that the rich can go and take out injunctions, that 99% of people in the country would not be able to afford. This is where proper laws giving decent judgment on what is or isnt in the public interest would be beneficial.

I think the way society is obsessed by the life of the rich and famous 'celebritys' is actually harmful.

The press need to look at some of the real news stories happening in this country and the world, instead of this kind of tripe.

[Paul]

I suggest that it's you who are in the dark ages Paul. Get real, Giggs is a massively paid sports celeb not a bloody vicar. It happens and it will continue to happen until time runs out. Why are you so indignant? Has living in our antiseptic society dulled your basic instincts to sow your seed and procreate willy nilly so much? Surely you have heard the old saying 'a standing prick has no conscience'?

You have completely failed to answer the questions I put in reply to your initial post. Your stated views are grossly insulting to women so again I'll ask the questions:

You know of women who would agree it is acceptable for a husband to seek sex outside of marriage if the wife has "gone off" sex after childhood. Can we have a justification of this please.

If under the above circumstances sex outside of marriage is acceptable under what circumstances is it unacceptable?

Thirdly you have no issue with the thought your own wife should therefore be able to seek sex outside your marriage?

I hadn't thought you to be such a free-thinking liberal minded person.

For once answer the question.

[ABBEY]

Take it you don't swing then lol

[Grabbi Graeme]

You have completely failed to answer the questions I put in reply to your initial post. Your stated views are grossly insulting to women so again I'll ask the questions:

You know of women who would agree it is acceptable for a husband to seek sex outside of marriage if the wife has "gone off" sex after childhood. Can we have a justification of this please.

If under the above circumstances sex outside of marriage is acceptable under what circumstances is it unacceptable?

Thirdly you have no issue with the thought your own wife should therefore be able to seek sex outside your marriage?

I hadn't thought you to be such a free-thinking liberal minded person.

For once answer the question.

Generally there is no justification for it, but it does happen mostly without the wife/girlfriend's knowledge, although on the other hand there are people who have open relationships, I used to know a guy at work who was married and also had a girlfriend which his wife knew about and was happy with the arrangement.

Also got to add that it's not just guys that wander off looking for something else, people have affairs for different reasons including what Theno has used as a example.

[koi]

[Grabbi Graeme]

That picture tells it all

[cletus]

Shitmydadsays

Charltonbrooker

Bloddys_world

TheBig_Sam

Frankie Boyle & Wossy

are some i`m following

[ABBEY]

Excuse me you forgot me !

[broadsword]

I'm on it, but I still don't really understand it.

[davulsukur]

Thought I would dig up this 7 year old thread.

Basically I’ve joined Twitter. In my defence it’s not been around long, just 11 years or so. 

Anyone got anyone good to follow?

[old darwen blue]

Therealbigsam

[JacknOry]

7 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Thought I would dig up this 7 year old thread.

Basically I’ve joined Twitter. In my defence it’s not been around long, just 11 years or so. 

Anyone got anyone good to follow?

I'm the same - only joined in  December. Not a fan of social media in general - only open my Facebook about once a week.

Twitters is interesting I guess, good for football and i follow whoever is in the squad and a bunch of fellow Rovers fans I don't even know. Also legends like Salgado and other ex-players

 

[Al]

14 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Thought I would dig up this 7 year old thread.

Basically I’ve joined Twitter. In my defence it’s not been around long, just 11 years or so. 

Anyone got anyone good to follow?

Let's leave twitter alone for another six years eh!

[Guest]

20 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Anyone got anyone good to follow?

Not sure if it's any use, but if you're looking for a definitive list of Rovers players on Twitter, past and present (well, from about 96/97 onward, plus Shearer and Garner, etc.), here's my list that I'm following.