[Archived] Blackburn Rovers Transfer Topic

[Jackson]

Don't panic yet - SW +/or MGP out and a D-day CM in, I'd wager.

[langhoblue]

How can the spending this window possibly be OK?

We don't have a bloody midfield

Reid, Dunn and Grella are never fit. Perhaps rather than wasting valuable cash on Nathan Ellington, Allardyce could look at what everyone watching Rovers has known for a few years - WE NEED A MIDFIELD

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Yeah I agree its disappointing.. while we are better off than last year, starting the season with most of our midfielders injured is worrying..

However comparing our transfer activity to most other clubs I am more than happy, we did very well in a tough close season.

Its sad how TV money, prize money, a large chunk of cash from player sales, funds from a reduced wage bill, transfer funds from last season and a now none existent JW fund.. all have disappeared.. I guess we are running at a loss and sams transfer budget including for players he had already brought in (ala Givet) had to come from players sales (RSC/Derbs)

I do hope its just a ploy on Sams side (MR Nixon did say that they where looking with a tugey type as a breif) so people don't demand silly fees should he find the midfielder.

Though in todays climate the club are being prudent - I can't help but worry for the future - we won't have a RSC to sell every season - so unless our new striker becomes an absolute star and makes us another £15m+ we are running out of saleable assets (at least in the £10m+ bracket). Lets hope the ST initiative pays off in the long run - and we can increase the fan base - and hopefully income (not just ticket sales - but I am sure a larger fan base would make it easier to sell advertising etc etc)

[Majiball]

Though in todays climate the club are being prudent - I can't help but worry for the future - we won't have a RSC to sell every season - so unless our new striker becomes an absolute star and makes us another £15m+ we are running out of saleable assets (at least in the £10m+ bracket). Lets hope the ST initiative pays off in the long run - and we can increase the fan base - and hopefully income (not just ticket sales - but I am sure a larger fan base would make it easier to sell advertising etc etc)

And thats the reason we must make sure we get the right man in at the academy. Its as crucial a decision as bringing in Sam last year IMO.

[Ricky]

Guess it would make a lot of sense for us to try to get angulo on a free then. Surely we're a better option than Bolton. He'd be free as well so would just require wages. Would solve the attacking midfield problem as well as giving extra cover on the wing and up front.

[Majiball]

Guess it would make a lot of sense for us to try to get angulo on a free then. Surely we're a better option than Bolton. He'd be free as well so would just require wages. Would solve the attacking midfield problem as well as giving extra cover on the wing and up front.

Those are some good words. But what sort of wages would he want??

[Jonnolad]

Well from my understanding, these sort of occurances usually result in the interested club placing a higher bid to get the player they want. Which was my point!!

Really? Can you remember any player ever signing a new contract with a club, and then days later signing with a different club?

[Guest Kamy100]

It would be a HUGE mistake if come 1st September we haven't signed a midfielder. Quite a lot of the problems of last season were caused by having an ineffective midfield which opponents found easy to play against.

[Torgeir]

Don't panic yet - SW +/or MGP out and a D-day CM in, I'd wager.

Could be, but doesn't MGP only have one year left of his contract? Won't receive too much for him if true, maybe tie him up for another couple of years and then ship him off to Spuds

[47er]

How can the spending this window possibly be OK?

We don't have a bloody midfield

Reid, Dunn and Grella are never fit. Perhaps rather than wasting valuable cash on Nathan Ellington, Allardyce could look at what everyone watching Rovers has known for a few years - WE NEED A MIDFIELD

That Allardyce---------hasn't got a clue has he? Its not as if he's had any experience of managing at this level either.

[wandel77]

That Allardyce---------hasn't got a clue has he? Its not as if he's had any experience of managing at this level either.

Now we got the strikers then people are moaning about the midfield !! When does it stop ? We are not a TOP3 club any more, and we have not been for the last 13 years.

[Hughesy]

Allardyce has done a fantastic job so far. Give him credit, he has addressed several long term problems of ours, he will get the midfield right, you will see!!

Judge off to Plymouth on loan

Gally maybe off to Derby

Blackman maybe off to Oldham on loan

[SYRovers]

Why is the Kalinic fee being spread over 12 months?

If we recieved just half of the 21m for RSC and Derbs, then that leaves us with 11m, 6m on Kalinic and 4m on Givet 1m max on N'zonzi = 11m...so why not just pay the whole fee for Kalinic up-front?

Besides I thought I heard we had 13m to play with??

Wasn't the 4m we paid for Givet, the 4m that was 'put aside' for Villanueva?...

Whilst I appreciate the work John Williams does to keep the club on a sound financial footing, I do wonder why soooo much money seems to be swallowed up?

What finish do you think the club have budgeted for this season?..Last season we budgeted for 10th didnt we?.. If this was based on 07/08's finish of 7th, then sureley we should be budgeting for 12th this season?..so if we finish ABOVE that will more funds become available, rather than funds cut?

I think we have had a fairly decent window, but none of us can really say for sure as no one we have bought has prooven premiership pedigree..not even Jacobsen who only played a handful of games for Everton last season, so it is effectivley a gamble..but a nice gamble if you like due to the youthful, and hungry feel to the players we have bought in.

I also think we should get Benni into shape (its as much the clubs responsibilty as it is his) and make him our main man along with Kalinic this season, as I feel his goals could be the difference between bottom 5 and top 10, although I really cant see a struggle mainly due to some of the awful teams that are expected to be in and around the bottom 7 or so this season..

Also why are we in for Ellington, when Lita was available?

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Why is the Kalinic fee being spread over 12 months?

If we recieved just half of the 21m for RSC and Derbs, then that leaves us with 11m, 6m on Kalinic and 4m on Givet 1m max on N'zonzi = 11m...so why not just pay the whole fee for Kalinic up-front?

Besides I thought I heard we had 13m to play with?? Kalinic/Givet/Nzonzi plus wages

Wasn't the 4m we paid for Givet, the 4m that was 'put aside' for Villanueva?... I think it was clear Carlos wasnt staying back in Jan

Whilst I appreciate the work John Williams does to keep the club on a sound financial footing, I do wonder why soooo much money seems to be swallowed up? Because that is how finances have to work. Sam got given around £10/11m to play with and has done exceptionally with it

What finish do you think the club have budgeted for this season?..Last season we budgeted for 10th didnt we?.. If this was based on 07/08's finish of 7th, then sureley we should be budgeting for 12th this season?..so if we finish ABOVE that will more funds become available, rather than funds cut?

I think we have had a fairly decent window, but none of us can really say for sure as no one we have bought has prooven premiership pedigree..not even Jacobsen who only played a handful of games for Everton last season, so it is effectivley a gamble..but a nice gamble if you like due to the youthful, and hungry feel to the players we have bought in. Which proven Prem stars should we have bought? Every transfer is a gamble and when you havent got the appeal of the top 5/6 clubs of course we're going to look abroad. When was the last time we signed someone with 'proven premiership pedigree'? Bellamy and thats about it

I also think we should get Benni into shape (its as much the clubs responsibilty as it is his) and make him our main man along with Kalinic this season, as I feel his goals could be the difference between bottom 5 and top 10, although I really cant see a struggle mainly due to some of the awful teams that are expected to be in and around the bottom 7 or so this season..

Also why are we in for Ellington, when Lita was available? Lita? Proven prem pedigree? Ellington is only here on trial. We have trialists here all the time. Id rather we got neither personally.

There's always a way of looking on the downside.

[The Gull]

How many central midfielders do we have?

Grella, Dunn, Reid, N'Zonzi, Andrews with Warnock and Emerton more than capable of covering that area.

We can not afford another midfielder without getting rid of 1 or two of these.

If they are all fit we have far too many for that position. The if is a big if but the wage bill doesn't care if these guys are fit or not in most cases as apart from certain performance related fees they will still be getting paid alomost the same surely.

Easy you say? Get rid of of one or two of them was that?

Emerton and Warnock would be ruled out due to their versatility and the fact they have been two of our most consistent performers over the last two seasons.

Grella, Reid and Dunn have had terrible injury records and we would probably have to pay to get rid of them so that would rule out having any cash to sapre to replace them.

N'Zonzi is new and one for the future so is going nowhere.

That leaves Andrews as the stand out candidate, but in all honesty do you think we could sell and replace him with someone as reliable and willing? I am far from being his biggest fan but as back up we could have a lot worse and have had worse over the past few seasons.

Unless we shift some of these guys and maybe another fringe player from the squad I can not see a central midfielder being signed as I just don't see were Sam could justify the player fitting in.

[T4E]

Why is the Kalinic fee being spread over 12 months?

If we recieved just half of the 21m for RSC and Derbs, then that leaves us with 11m, 6m on Kalinic and 4m on Givet 1m max on N'zonzi = 11m...so why not just pay the whole fee for Kalinic up-front?

The money can either sit in our bank earning interest for the next 12 months, or it could be doing the same for them.

The answer is pretty obvious.

[Oklahoma]

I think we need a creative midfielder that in not injury prone...

Yes, we have Grella, Dunn, Reid, N'Zonzi, Andrews with Warnock and Emerton capable of playing in the midfield.

But, if you consider that Reid and Dunn will probably be out half a season each, Emerton's and Grella's fitness is a major doubt (let's see how long it takes for him to recover his fitness), N'Zonzi is a youngster with no Premier league experience, Andrews is... well, is Andrews...

We need to get a new midfielder!!!! and a very good one.

[roversmad95]

How many central midfielders do we have?

Grella, Dunn, Reid, N'Zonzi, Andrews with Warnock and Emerton more than capable of covering that area.

We can not afford another midfielder without getting rid of 1 or two of these.

If they are all fit we have far too many for that position. The if is a big if but the wage bill doesn't care if these guys are fit or not in most cases as apart from certain performance related fees they will still be getting paid alomost the same surely.

Easy you say? Get rid of of one or two of them was that?

Emerton and Warnock would be ruled out due to their versatility and the fact they have been two of our most consistent performers over the last two seasons.

Grella, Reid and Dunn have had terrible injury records and we would probably have to pay to get rid of them so that would rule out having any cash to sapre to replace them.

N'Zonzi is new and one for the future so is going nowhere.

That leaves Andrews as the stand out candidate, but in all honesty do you think we could sell and replace him with someone as reliable and willing? I am far from being his biggest fan but as back up we could have a lot worse and have had worse over the past few seasons.

Unless we shift some of these guys and maybe another fringe player from the squad I can not see a central midfielder being signed as I just don't see were Sam could justify the player fitting in.

well put i agree if we could get rid of ried and grella and raise 6 million im sure sam would buy a CM, but i cant see anyone paying 3 million each for them....

[wandel77]

well put i agree if we could get rid of ried and grella and raise 6 million im sure sam would buy a CM, but i cant see anyone paying 3 million each for them....

I think we should go for Løvenkrands he is free, and i think was one of the few who did play well for NUFC last season. And he i very quick, as i recall he did 100 m on 10.6 sec. once in a training camp for the Danish national team.

And here MGP will get some competetion for his place in the starting line.

[S15]

Basically it seems clear now that we are given half of fees recieved, add a little extra to spend in the transfer market. Last summer, we sold Bentley, and Ince, rather ridiculously wasted this money on Grella.

How many of you with your stupid little Facebook groups wish we'd have gone straight for Allardyce, something I'm CONVINCED we would have if it wasn't for the completely OTT fan reaction.

Think Sam has done very well in the market overall, and depending on how the French guy and the South African do, perhaps exceptionally.

Just wish the £6-8m spent by Ince was spent by Allardyce. The only way we're going to get a top midfielder in is by selling one of our price assets. Warnock for £7m-£10m would be great business, as he wouldn't need to be directly replaced, due to the signing of Givet. Ideally we would flog MGP for £3m and a huge saving in wages, maybe freeing up £4m-£5m to spend on a midfielder.

I suspect the latter is Allardyces' ideal scenario.

[BlueWhiteDynamite]

The answer to the question 'why not pay it all off at once?' is obvious, as stated above i'm sure 3.5 Mill or so will earn quite a bit of interest. Also with the fee in Euros, the club would hope that in a years time the Pound has made some gains against the Euro therefore the 3.5 mill Euros becomes cheaper.

[Kelbo]

Really? Can you remember any player ever signing a new contract with a club, and then days later signing with a different club?

Yes, and he was only transferred to Rovers three games earlier - Bobby Bell!!

[Amo]

How many of you with your stupid little Facebook groups wish we'd have gone straight for Allardyce, something I'm CONVINCED we would have if it wasn't for the completely OTT fan reaction.

I'm not so sure that even factored into it. JW's original target was Alan Shearer, therefore he was looking at another young manager to take over the club. Except Shearer never had any managerial experience, so Ince was the next candidate.You can draw a few parallels between Hughes and Ince, but when you get down to it they were miles apart. Hughes came with authority, respect, and commanded discipline. Ince failed to take responsibility and produced a shambles on the pitch. I think after that, JW accepted his young gamble was a mistake and realized the club needed an older head.

Keeping on-topic: Ricardo Quaresma? I'm sure many will scoff, but could a cheeky loan bid be worth it? Jose Mourinho has his doubts about him, and the guy failed to illuminate Chelsea so he can't be hot property right now. Tongue-in-cheek suggestion, to be honest.

[imy9]

Yes, and he was only transferred to Rovers three games earlier - Bobby Bell!!

Dietmar Hamann, signed for Bolton and then moved to Man City?

[Kai]

Really? Can you remember any player ever signing a new contract with a club, and then days later signing with a different club?

A few seasons back, Dietmar Hamann signed for Bolton (think Allardyce was still in charge of them then), but then changed his mind and joined Man City a few days later.

David Unsworth in 1998 signed for Aston Villa, only to 'not realise' Aston Villa was in Birmingham and then joined West Ham without ever kicking a ball for Villa.