[Archived] Nikola Kalinic

[Hughesy]

i thinks shearer could learn both nicola and the argie something

Learn or teach?

[DE.]

After the Nigel Winterburn experiment I don't think it should be assumed having an ex-player in as a coach will reap rewards.

[Hughesy]

Its confidence in the prem he needs, not training.....it will come...Hopefully soon!

[Majiball]

After the Nigel Winterburn experiment I don't think it should be assumed having an ex-player in as a coach will reap rewards.

The coaching staff does need more balance though.

A coach focused more on attacking play would be a great addition, we do not create many clear cut chances at present and coaching could help this. The issue with winterburn was quite simply my sig. Just because you've played doesn't make you a good coach, in fact its generally the opposite.

Another sports sciencetist to help Howard would be good his expertise is strenght and conditioning so perhaps a phsiologist/fitness coach could help more & move us forward as well. Oh and a psychologist, full time.

Funniest thing of all is they would cost less than the majority of our squad get a month, per year.

If I was Sam I'd be desperatly trying to shift out at least 3 players this Jan and then going and asking for these support roles instead. We spunk all our money on players wages and neglect the other areas, that needs to change.

[mellison24]

Another sports sciencetist to help Howard would be good his expertise is strenght and conditioning so perhaps a phsiologist/fitness coach could help more & move us forward as well. Oh and a psychologist, full time.

Me in 3 years time

[den]

Instinct can't be taught. Shooting accurately into a certain area can, surely?

That's something he will have been practicing for donkeys years. Some can practice for years and never be any good at it. No?

[bellamy11]

That's something he will have been practicing for donkeys years. Some can practice for years and never be any good at it. No?

Of course. I could be taught the principles of nuclear fission but i would probably never grasp it. A golfer can be taught to putt, a tennis player can be taught how to put more topspin on a shot. These elements of the game are learnable. It's the intangibles such as instinct and ability to handle pressure which cannot (the second one is debatable too because experience can help a lot in this department). Finishing is a skill which can be taught and honed by hours of practise on the training ground, just like the above. Whether or not Nikola Kalinic is talented enough to grasp it is debatable at this point because we simply don't know, but it's irrelevant to the point that you made, which is that finishing cannot be taught.

[Ozz]

I would recommend all our stikers watch video footage of Alan Shearers goals scored for Rovers-mainly to demonstrate what determination and desire to score a goal is.

[den]

Of course. I could be taught the principles of nuclear fission but i would probably never grasp it. A golfer can be taught to putt, a tennis player can be taught how to put more topspin on a shot. These elements of the game are learnable. It's the intangibles such as instinct and ability to handle pressure which cannot (the second one is debatable too because experience can help a lot in this department). Finishing is a skill which can be taught and honed by hours of practise on the training ground, just like the above. Whether or not Nikola Kalinic is talented enough to grasp it is debatable at this point because we simply don't know, but it's irrelevant to the point that you made, which is that finishing cannot be taught.

I think we're probably making the same points really. Of course practice/coaching will improve anyone's game. It will only improve it so much though, wont it? I think a coach can improve a natural talent slightly, but you can't teach someone who hasn't got the talent to start with, as you could never teach Ashley Ward how to shoot as well as Alan Shearer.

Have we really got a difference here Bellars?

[mellison24]

I think we're probably making the same points really. Of course practice/coaching will improve anyone's game. It will only improve it so much though, wont it? I think a coach can improve a natural talent slightly, but you can't teach someone who hasn't got the talent to start with, as you could never teach Ashley Ward how to shoot as well as Alan Shearer.

Have we really got a difference here Bellars?

But Nikola CAN shoot....

[den]

But Nikola CAN shoot....

That's hardly what we're discussing Mellison.

[bellamy11]

I think we're probably making the same points really. Of course practice/coaching will improve anyone's game. It will only improve it so much though, wont it? I think a coach can improve a natural talent slightly, but you can't teach someone who hasn't got the talent to start with, as you could never teach Ashley Ward how to shoot as well as Alan Shearer.

Have we really got a difference here Bellars?

Probably not den, it's as much in wording as anything else. Rather than say something cannot be taught, I would say that some individuals cannot learn. Ashley Ward and Alan Shearer were both taught how to shoot - it was the individuals that determined how effectively they could do it. I don't think the problem is so much that somebody cannot be taught how to finish, it's just the worry that maybe they just cannot do it. Hopefully this is not the case with Nikola. I'll remain optimistic for now because I believe he has the intangibles in that he has a knack for getting in the right place at the right time, and that's a lot harder than learning to place the ball in the bottom corner.

[sparkspakespoke]

That's something he will have been practicing for donkeys years. Some can practice for years and never be any good at it. No?

Maybe it cant be taught but I'm sure a little one on one attention could help. I remember going to quite a few Palace games a few years back and for half an hour or twenty minutes befor kick off Dowie used to do some one on one finishing work with Andy Johnson. You could see Johnson becoming more relaxed and confident as the session went on,maybe something like this could work with Kalinic?

[den]

Maybe it cant be taught but I'm sure a little one on one attention could help. I remember going to quite a few Palace games a few years back and for half an hour or twenty minutes Dowie used to do some one on one finishing work with Andy Johnson. You could see Johnson becoming more relaxed and confident as the session went on,maybe something like this could work with Kalinic?

He'll be doing this on a regular basis though, surely? Something wrong if he isn't.

[mellison24]

That's hardly what we're discussing Mellison.

Sorry, I misread.

He'll be doing this on a regular basis though, surely? Something wrong if he isn't.

Not someone specifically practicing shooting with them before the game, though. The bloke just gives them the balls and they shoot. I think maybe Kalinic needs a bit more specific focus when practicing before games? It may just aid his apparent nervousness? Just a thought.

[den]

Probably not den, it's as much in wording as anything else. Rather than say something cannot be taught, I would say that some individuals cannot learn. Ashley Ward and Alan Shearer were both taught how to shoot - it was the individuals that determined how effectively they could do it. I don't think the problem is so much that somebody cannot be taught how to finish, it's just the worry that maybe they just cannot do it. Hopefully this is not the case with Nikola. I'll remain optimistic for now because I believe he has the intangibles in that he has a knack for getting in the right place at the right time, and that's a lot harder than learning to place the ball in the bottom corner.

That's the biggest plus for Kalanic. He does seem to have that ability.

BTW, I wasn't having a go at Kalanic, when I said in reply to Waggy that you can't teach players how to finish. It was just a general view that I would apply to any player. [just in case I'm misunderstood again].

[mellison24]

That's the biggest plus for Kalanic. He does seem to have that ability.

BTW, I wasn't having a go at Kalanic, when I said in reply to Waggy that you can't teach players how to finish. It was just a general view that I would apply to any player. [just in case I'm misunderstood again].

[Majiball]

Me in 3 years time

Happy days, hows year 1 going?

Sports focused???? or the normal type?

On the subject of can someone be taught to shoot, yes of course they can. But it must be done at the right stage of life for it to appear natural in adulthood. Can everyone be a premiership striker?, no every individual has different degrees of potential in most area's and so it varies from individuals.

People have to remember that if it can't be taught its genetic and there are no genes for shooting. Its all about how we develop our kids in the game and ensure that they reach there potential and don't fall by the wayside because coaches/coaching fails them. Can an adult improve off course they can but not to the degree a child can.

Is it possible for Kalinic, yes it is, just ask Henry.

[den]

Oh Mellison, I didn't mean you!

I did have someone else in mind though

[Majiball]

Someone should just invent smilies for sarcasum and the such, forums would be so much easier to read.

[LeChuck]

I did have someone else in mind though

[den]

[mellison24]

Happy days, hows year 1 going?

Sports focused???? or the normal type?

On the subject of can someone be taught to shoot, yes of course they can. But it must be done at the right stage of life for it to appear natural in adulthood. Can everyone be a premiership striker?, no every individual has different degrees of potential in most area's and so it varies from individuals.

People have to remember that if it can't be taught its genetic and there are no genes for shooting. Its all about how we develop our kids in the game and ensure that they reach there potential and don't fall by the wayside because coaches/coaching fails them. Can an adult improve off course they can but not to the degree a child can.

Is it possible for Kalinic, yes it is, just ask Henry.

It's going very well ta (apart from the well documented admin cock-up. My reports are safe and graded but they still need to get about 100 marked before tomorrow's exam. I'm doing normal psychology with a view to either Sports or Forensics. It will probably be the latter and I'll enter the police. The only appeal of sports spychology for me is the rovers. I wouldn't be interested otherwise hahaha.

I agree with someone further back who posted that KAlinic will get 10 before the season's out. 10 is a decent aim for a lad with his talent BUT he doesn't need pressure yet.......you just watch him score the goals to win us the Carling Cup now. I said it first!

[S15]

If Kalinic scores ten before the end of the season I'll eat the Walkersteel.

[Majiball]

It's going very well ta (apart from the well documented admin cock-up. My reports are safe and graded but they still need to get about 100 marked before tomorrow's exam. I'm doing normal psychology with a view to either Sports or Forensics. It will probably be the latter and I'll enter the police. The only appeal of sports spychology for me is the rovers. I wouldn't be interested otherwise hahaha.

I agree with someone further back who posted that KAlinic will get 10 before the season's out. 10 is a decent aim for a lad with his talent BUT he doesn't need pressure yet.......you just watch him score the goals to win us the Carling Cup now. I said it first!

Sound if you become a Rozzer, can you get me back the £60.00 they fined me for having a pee in the summer????

Sports Pschology is more counselling than anything else so unless that appeals avoid, good to see your doing well. Well Rovers will need one at some stage, so you never know!!

I'll bring you some salt and pepper then shillito15!!!