[Archived] Transfer Topic The Final Day

[Guest charlie1]

We won't buy another midfielder that was obvious when we gave Andrews a new contract. we have Dunn,Reid,Emerton.N'zonzi,Andrews and Grella that's 6 players who can play in centre mid to many already in the boards eyes.

[Stuart]

I dont think SA has a look of a despondent man about him. he knew what he was taking on and he KNEW that we are not awash with money. At the same point he now knows we havent got a shed load of debt hanging over us either.

I don't think he realised it would be as bad as it is.

I know we are a selling club but this needs to be a continual thing. We can't just downgrade because we'll then have nothing to sell!

Sorry just on a bit of a downer after watching today's interview and then Nicko's post.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I agree. I mentioned it before, we can't afford to have Dunn, Reid, Emerton and Grella all fit and NOT playing, because we have bought an expensive creative midfielder.

Andrews stays because he fills in whenever the aforementioned players can't start (which admittely is occuring more often than we would like at the moment).

Keep the team together, evolution not revolution will bring the best results.

If Dunny, Reidy and Grella end up having long periods out this season then imo the best we can hope for is just to stay clear of relegation, forget the top half finish.

I can see your point, but if no new midfielder comes in then we are going to have to rely on lady luck keeping our players injury free, if they don't keep injury free then we will really struggle. And before those that go on about last season we managed without them and showed top half form, keep in mind this is a different season, sides in the lower half were beating each other but that doesn't mean the same will happen again.

[dinglebasher]

Why is it staggering. It's not the first time we have sold our best player and replaced them with cheap rubbish and it won't be the last. There is no point in being angry about it just enjoy watching Rovers in the Prem while you still can instead of moaning about everything.

Hear, hear.

What do the moaners expect Allardyce to do? We're losing a defender and Nelsen is likely to be injured for a considerable time. It's no good having a playmaker in midfield if you've got a second string defence shipping goals at the back. Defence has to be the first priority.

Let's give things time to settle down - we've been unfortunate to come away from our first two games with nothing but we have a lot of new players who will take time to bed in. In the same way as winning at Everton last season gave us no idea of the horrors to come, losing the first two here doesn't mean we'll be in League 2 in five years' time.

If we win tomorrow and get a good result against West ham things will look a lot brighter.

Hands up, who wants to be in Portsmouth's / Southampton's / Leeds' shoes?

[RovertheHill]

There is no point in being angry about it just enjoy watching Rovers in the Prem while you still can instead of moaning about everything.

You've not been on this board long have you

[Veevs]

If you look at our bench on Sat I can see why BFS might be concerned, Zurub didn't make the bench on Sat so cant be that highly rated by bfs or is he also injured?

If you didn't notice we had Emerton who isn't fully fit yet, Benni, Jnr, Olsson, Grella, Kalinic and Brown.. Givet is best at left back, and Nelson was straight back from injury (to get injured again)..

So kind of not surprised to see us going for backup at center back, Nelson has now been out for allot of the time BFS has been in charge

But its pretty sad seeing Warnock go for what is basically two cheap players to act as cover should we get injuries.

However I kind of agree with Sam on what he is targeting.. I had to sit back and think for a while though as I know our midfield is really lacking in creativity.. but hey you can't get blood out of a stone (speak to the board about that not JW or Sam)

Maybe Sam has information we don't, like has full access to physio and medical reports on our injured midfield... its just a possibility that with the information he has to hand he feels the midfield lads will be back and stronger this season and manage the impossible 20 plus games each and maybe he also knows Nelson might be a weak link this season with injuries.

PS I think it should be pretty clear, Sam does not feel Emerton is a RB, does not rate Zurub and Sams financial constraints are a bit excessive.

[Jackson]

Maybe Sam has information we don't, like has full access to physio and medical reports

...or maybe he doesn't want the vaseline on display when he's looking for a midfielder, if you catch my drift.

[LDRover]

You're losing me Sam.....

I'm not far off the past tense there Toogs.

[BuckyRover]

I hope my prediction is not realised. The prediction that Sam would keep us up and be branded a hero, then when we hit a bad patch and realise he isn't the messiah things could go very bad quite quickly. No Rover wants to be Bolton Wanderers (I have even heard some posters saying Bolton used to play good football?').

We will see. Win the next two and all the worry becomes a distant dream. Lose and people will start to get twitchy.

[Parsonblue]

Staggering.

Absolutely staggering.

Quite right spencey7, it's staggeringly good news that we are going to replace a player we are selling and bringing in cover for an injured player. For once you are spot on!

[Roversider]

Come on everyone, selling Warnock for a fat fee and bringing in two makes sense. The centre-half will be the Ivorian from Borussia Munchengladrags, not certain who the left-back would be.

That allows us to use Givet at either slot depending on injuries and gives Ollson some time to grow into a better left sided player.

Warnock is either brilliant or garbage, usually the former I agree but he has, throughout his career, given the ball away with a poor pass.

Don't automatically assume we will bring in low quality.

[tonygreenbank]

I'm not far off the past tense there Toogs.

Come on guys. 2 games in and the Allardyce out grumbles begin to stir! We dont know its certain that Warnock is going but if he does then another left back is logical and if Nelsen`s injury is long term then there has to be cover there too.

Our midfield with Dunny fit or Emerton would be adequate and the others to support them wouldnt be a bad formation.

We have to manage our budget very tightly; Ince couldnt do it and Sam has a record of doing it. We have to shop at Lidl these days but sometimes you can pick up a bargain if you`re lucky.

[John]

I don't think he realised it would be as bad as it is.

I know we are a selling club but this needs to be a continual thing. We can't just downgrade because we'll then have nothing to sell!

Sorry just on a bit of a downer after watching today's interview and then Nicko's post.

We appear to have rejected, resisted bids with more of a fight previously, however as JW said recently (and Sparky near the end), we could become more of a selling club (rather than trading, their words not mine!). Don't think Sam is playing games, he seems genuinely fed up - does not surprise me, we are in a situation where we need to bring in players if Warnock leaves, as we are short at the back because of Nelsen being injured.

Same as you Jisty, very down after watching that interview. Maybe its just reality hitting home for me and being said in public, but still hard to take....

[LDRover]

What I don't understand is that apparently the Premiership is the place to be yet it looks patently clear that we cannot afford to be in this league.

On the flip side, it's financial meltdown if we do go down so what is our considered 'level'?

On the Warnock sale I had to keep my counsel when it was debated on here to sell for nothing less than 'x' amount etc etc when it was a given that the money wouldn't go on a replacement. It was same with the Bentley and Roque deals and as fans we should only be interested in having the best players on the pitch not the money in the coffers.

Cue being pilloried because I should accept that we need to sell to survive etc.

[Kelbo]

Someone said on here, something has changed at this club!!

Are we being primed for takeover? Do the club know something we dont know??

And, will there be penalties by the league on clubs who carry too much debts!!!

we shall see, but there hs been definate change here!

[S15]

Yeah we are being primed for a takeover, so asset stripping is clearly the deal breaker.

[Stuart]

What I don't understand is that apparently the Premiership is the place to be yet it looks patently clear that we cannot afford to be in this league.

On the flip side, it's financial meltdown if we do go down so what is our considered 'level'?

On the Warnock sale I had to keep my counsel when it was debated on here to sell for nothing less than 'x' amount etc etc when it was a given that the money wouldn't go on a replacement. It was same with the Bentley and Roque deals and as fans we should only be interested in having the best players on the pitch not the money in the coffers.

Cue being pilloried because I should accept that we need to sell to survive etc.

A really good point there. It's like we are caught in a position where we have to stay in the Premier League on a shoe string (okay, that sounded obvious) but it just can't happen. There's a certain amount of investment required to be in this league and we don't appear to be making it.

Also, I agree, I'm now hoping that Warnock stays. At least we'll then have a left back AND midfield cover.

Someone said on here, something has changed at this club!!

Are we being primed for takeover? Do the club know something we dont know??

And, will there be penalties by the league on clubs who carry too much debts!!!

we shall see, but there hs been definate change here!

I hope you're right Kelbo. But there are clubs out there carrying a lot more debt than us so I doubt they're about to bring in penalties. Liverpool, United, West Ham, Portsmouth.

Could be that we have a buyer on the hook but it requires the debt being reduced to a minimum? This just feels wrong though.

Bringing my diatribe back on topic, why is it though that just about everyone can see that midfield is a problem area but we keep being told that priorities are elsewhere? Can we all be wrong?

[RovertheHill]

I'm not sure anything has changed other than Manchester City have made it even harder to compete. That's not bitterness, that is just fact.

When a massive injection of money comes into any market it drives prices up and whilst we may be patting ourselves on the back for selling players for very high fees the fact is that also drives prices up such that "cheap" replacements are no longer cheap. In a market where a left back costs £8-12M, a right back can cost £16M and a proven premier league striker costs upwards of £12M, before you even start with £70-80k per week wages. Fact is we cannot compete. We cannot even get close. And even if Jack were alive we would struggle to get into the second tier of the premier league such as it is now. However, if we learn anything from history it is that whenever there is a bubble market it is followed, inevitably, by a bang.

It would be interesting to know how much the TOTAL weekly wage of the premier league is now, today, and how much has gone on transfer fees in the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we weren't talking over £10M per week in wages and nearly a half billion pounds in the last year or so. Scary.

[Atty]

Yeah we are being primed for a takeover, so asset stripping is clearly the deal breaker.

Yes there only samba to go and the asset striping will be complete. We must have one big bank loan to repay

[Kelbo]

A really good point there. It's like we are caught in a position where we have to stay in the Premier League on a shoe string (okay, that sounded obvious) but it just can't happen. There's a certain amount of investment required to be in this league and we don't appear to be making it.

Also, I agree, I'm now hoping that Warnock stays. At least we'll then have a left back AND midfield cover.

I hope you're right Kelbo. But there are clubs out there carrying a lot more debt than us so I doubt they're about to bring in penalties. Liverpool, United, West Ham, Portsmouth.

Could be that we have a buyer on the hook but it requires the debt being reduced to a minimum? This just feels wrong though.

Bringing my diatribe back on topic, why is it though that just about everyone can see that midfield is a problem area but we keep being told that priorities are elsewhere? Can we all be wrong?

Jisty,

I coach football, I would love to see a playmaker in midfield but Sam must think that Emo, Grella Dunn and Reid are able to come back soon, we do appear to be doing ok apart from scoring but we re not getting balls into the areas a striker needs, but I will trust in Sams judgement, his style and his methods!!

[bob fleming]

I'm not surprised. Sam doesn't believe in central midfielders.

Sam is going to play Emo in the middle. And there is Dunny, Grella and Reid still coming. Andrews and N`Zonzi will be back ups.

How many can we afford to have / pay? You might be right Bucky, except no one has been in for Dunn, Grella, Reid, Bert or NZonzi and we gave Keef a new deal.

To go with Givet and Olsson at the back would be madness. Olsson, as many others have said, looks better further up the field. If Ryan's knee is shot at, and let's be honest it is ligaments, then we'll need Givet at CH.

It's easy to blame the manager here. Very easy. We're skint. £30m in this summer, admittedly we've spent a few bob but what? £11m to date? Wages I'd imagine will be pretty well balanced. Of course I'm guessing. We can't afford to go bust ( pun sort of intended).

Trying times.

[imy9]

We have conceded 4 goals in two games, our captain Nelson is injured and if our left back leaves then we are very short at the back, compare this with midfield where in about two weeks we will have Dunn, Emerton, Reid and Grella back vying with Andrews and N Zonzi for TWO places in midfield, as much as we would like to see an attacking midfield player it is not going to happen until the back four is sorted out.

I will judge the transfers as a whole once the window shuts, no point before then.

[Guest ErinBrown]

Someone said on here, something has changed at this club!!

Are we being primed for takeover? Do the club know something we dont know??

And, will there be penalties by the league on clubs who carry too much debts!!!

we shall see, but there hs been definate change here!

If we were being primed for a takeover, i doubt Sam would be reminding the World that we are a "small town club" on Sky Sports News.

I was actually quite miffed at this comment because it's not going to do us any favours in the quest for a new owner.

[BuckyRover]

Also we aren't a small town club. We are a big town club. Not a city, but a big town.

[Stuart]

Jisty,

I coach football, I would love to see a playmaker in midfield but Sam must think that Emo, Grella Dunn and Reid are able to come back soon, we do appear to be doing ok apart from scoring but we re not getting balls into the areas a striker needs, but I will trust in Sams judgement, his style and his methods!!

You've mentioned that before, and I respect your opinion because of it.

However, the vast majority of chances we have created so far have not resulted in goals. Is this because of poor strikers, or because they aren't the right kinds of chances? Maybe strikers are having to make snapshots rather than receive a threaded pass and being able to pick out a shot.

We have no pace in the side (possibly with the exception of Di Santo but we can't build a team around him) so a ball over the top or a ball from deep, to chase, is unlikely to result in a decent chance. We need to be taking territory higher up the field and getting a ball in to feet (Benni, Kalinic). Hopefully launches into the box will only result in a few clear cut chances due to the number of defensive bodies in the way after a knock-down.

I don't think Sam realises what a big part of our game Tugay was. There was a definite difference in the team over the last couple of years when he or Dunn were in the side.