[Archived] Transfer Topic The Final Day

[Guest ErinBrown]

If the club have any sense. They will sell Benni and Warnock, and bring in Tuncay, a decent left back not a backup(Garrido?), and a creative midfielder (Biglia?).

According to The Independent we are after 10 million for Warnock http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ck-1776826.html

[Oklahoma]

The voice of reason... Finally...

Reason?

What is that?

Is it necessary?

[Steve Moss]

So we sell Warnock to bring in all likelihood an inferior, cheap left back and to bring in a cheap CB and that's it? Yeah sounds like a great deal to me...

Inexpensive does not necessarily mean inferior. Buy low and sell high is the rule of thumb for the business world. I'm personally pleased that the club is conducting itself like its a business. If and when we get bought by billionaire, then we can splurge and spend the big money, not before.

[bigbrandjohn]

This quote in the Independent doesn't fill one with confidence. Come on Sam cut the self pity, and get your strategy for our club sorted out for the last week of the transfer window.

"You have to bear in mind my position as it becomes sacking season when it doesn't go for you. It generally becomes sacking season because you can't have your best players available because of an extended injury list – which you can do nothing about until the January window."

[Iceman]

Wrong iceman.

1. It is not a requirement for football managers to have any financial training.

and

2. They only stay 2.5 years on average anyway so how the hell can you advocate such short term management? They would not care if they bankrupt the club so long as they move on to a better job. And if you need proof of that look no further that the sh1t that Redknapp has left Pompey in. Rem he used the NUFC interest to blackmail them into giving him stupid money to spend and njow they are on the edge of bankruptcy.

I think you missing the point Gord. Yes managers at Rovers these days will only stay, about a few years and then move on. The Warnock situation is completely different, and if it is the board that wants to sell then questions need to be ask. I get where you coming from mate, but if the board does not replace then the idea of selling Stevie W would be pointless unless to satisfy the bank. Sam might have had a certain game plan with Warnock and IF he has no say in the Warnock transfer then its rubbish. Do we really need to sell Warnock? Has Warnock requested a transfer? All thats happened is that Villa have unsettled him, in the same way as Chelsea did with Benni. I have no argument with much of your post Gord, but if the board decides who goes then why bring in a manager who cannot have a say if that is indeed what is happening. I remember get a reply back from JW when the GrINCH was in charge, and JW said that he does not interfere with team selection, as thats up to the manager. If thats the case, and Sam has a plan to use Warnock and sees him as an important member, then im not sure why we would sell. Time will tell, but even you Gord cannot deny the fact that if we do sell SW and we dont replace that we have once again been screwed

This quote in the Independent doesn't fill one with confidence. Come on Sam cut the self pity, and get your strategy for our club sorted out for the last week of the transfer window.

"You have to bear in mind my position as it becomes sacking season when it doesn't go for you. It generally becomes sacking season because you can't have your best players available because of an extended injury list – which you can do nothing about until the January window."

I think thats rubbish. Sam knew the likes of Reid, Grella and Dunn are constantly injured. We in the middle of a transfer window now. Why not do something about it, instead of waiting until January.

[American]

Wing Wizard wrote

"Could be that we have a buyer on the hook but it requires the debt being reduced to a minimum? This just feels wrong though.

Surely a buyer would want all the assets ie quality players to remain at the club....or they are going to have to buy new ones at even greater cost?

Bringing my diatribe back on topic, why is it though that just about everyone can see that midfield is a problem area but we keep being told that priorities are elsewhere? Can we all be wrong?

Nope - but the only way they will be forced into buying a midfielder is if Dunn/Reid/Grella break down again tomorrow night. Sam/board got lucky with Nzonzi IMO a potential first teamer for peanuts and settled in ahead of expectations - providing further time for the crocks to recover."

Very lucky with Nzonzi, looks like he will come, would have been better with a quaity lad alongside him to help him through!!

Maybe a buyer Wizard, is looking at Uncle Jacks conditions and wants a clear playing field bereft of any debt, then £52,000,000 would be £52,000,000 not that plus the debts which they would take on board!!

Then the buying of the club could be an interesting proposition to someone, I really dont know to be sure, all that I do know is this, even the top clubs are not spending as they did, only City really, so are we seeing a change?

The stupidity has got to stop somewhere and reality will set in, maybe nowis the time?

Doesn't matter what the debt is for a buyer, it matters for how much the seller will pocket. 52 million (just using that thrown out number) would either be 52 million cash or 32 million cash plus taking over the 20 million of debt.

A buyer would only care about the debt if it was more than they were willing to pay for the club.

[Sysagent]

Don't despair.

Instead of Arte Et Labore our fans should have the motto Arte Et Desperandum!

Any news on the injuries at all Nicko (Di Santo, Nelsen, etc etc) and do you possibly think the writing really is on the wall for Warnock bearing in mind the injury to Nelsen, could Sam not be stalling now in a vain hope he stays?

[alexanders]

Why not bring in a left back who can also play centre half ie Givet?

I love versitility.

[Ricky]

After years of listening to people berate gamsts corners it was interesting to note the villa goal came from a shorey corner last night.

It's not worked out for him at villa But he would be my first choice if the price was right.

[modes98]

£8m + Shorey. Then get in a cheap CB and a CM. Sorry dreaming about a midfield again.

[Big Fat Sam]

WTF?

Can you tell me one team in a top flight European league that has played with a sweeper system in the last 10 years?

Goalkeepers have taken on part of the role in the modern game so can I say every team in a a way.

[RoyRover]

When reading Sam's comments, what stood out to me is how he said that he wanted to keep him, but that doesn't look likely. Why can't we? He's OUR bloody player? It's not like we are trying to sign him and can't because he's too expensive! We need to get back to when players were held to their contracts and couldn't just up and leave when all of a sudden they weren't 'happy' anymore. I would love to know why players become unhappy all of a sudden. I imagine that it has something to do with a big team becoming interested and the player using the unhappy card to engineer a move.

[joey_big_nose]

Regarding the CB thing - take it Sam does not think Jacobson can go in at centreback? If he could it would then be easy as either Salgado or Emerton can fit in at RB

edit - I would also take Shorey. Sort of player we would get the best out of.

[nicko]

Instead of Arte Et Labore our fans should have the motto Arte Et Desperandum!

Any news on the injuries at all Nicko (Di Santo, Nelsen, etc etc) and do you possibly think the writing really is on the wall for Warnock bearing in mind the injury to Nelsen, could Sam not be stalling now in a vain hope he stays?

Di Santo is a worry because you are never quite sure how bad a hamstring injury is...that's a shame...you are not having much luck right now.

Nelsen's injury is a bigger worry because he does seem to be collecting them in the last couple of years...interesting to see if Salgado gets a try-out in the middle...if not, the cheap centre half replacement has to be found.

As for Warnock...on the bus to Gillingham but I will be shocked if he plays...Villa will surely come up with a deal that suits all parties.

[Big Fat Sam]

Di Santo is a worry because you are never quite sure how bad a hamstring injury is...that's a shame...you are not having much luck right now.

Nelsen's injury is a bigger worry because he does seem to be collecting them in the last couple of years...interesting to see if Salgado gets a try-out in the middle...if not, the cheap centre half replacement has to be found.

As for Warnock...on the bus to Gillingham but I will be shocked if he plays...Villa will surely come up with a deal that suits all parties.

Hi Mr Nixon,

I don't know if you can post or not on this subject, but I have to ask.

Are the trust now getting more involved in the running of the club??

Last year was obviously very expensive for the club but all the transfers this year and cut-backs seem to go against the previous running of the club with JW in charge.

Thanks in advance

[hi-jaq]

Di Santo is a worry because you are never quite sure how bad a hamstring injury is...that's a shame...you are not having much luck right now.

Nelsen's injury is a bigger worry because he does seem to be collecting them in the last couple of years...interesting to see if Salgado gets a try-out in the middle...if not, the cheap centre half replacement has to be found.

As for Warnock...on the bus to Gillingham but I will be shocked if he plays...Villa will surely come up with a deal that suits all parties.

I reckon that Salgado will play a role in midfield... Jacobsen does'nt seem too bad at full back & Emerton can also play there... Give him a shot in there tonight, see what happens!!!

[Bobby G]

I thought Salgado wont be playing for another couple of weeks at least, according to Big Sam.

[CrazyIvan]

Di Santo is a worry because you are never quite sure how bad a hamstring injury is...that's a shame...you are not having much luck right now.

Nelsen's injury is a bigger worry because he does seem to be collecting them in the last couple of years...interesting to see if Salgado gets a try-out in the middle...if not, the cheap centre half replacement has to be found.

As for Warnock...on the bus to Gillingham but I will be shocked if he plays...Villa will surely come up with a deal that suits all parties.

That's a good reminder that Warnock hasn't actually gone yet and if he plays tonight, that may well put the kybosh on the entire deal at least until January or next season... Unlikely I know but...

Injuries have killed us since the beginning of last season especially losing players like Emerton who is highly underated in my opinion. His work rate and ability to run all game has kept the opposition occupied down that right flank for seasons.

[Big Fat Sam]

Injuries have killed us since the beginning of last season especially losing players like Emerton who is highly underated in my opinion. His work rate and ability to run all game has kept the opposition occupied down that right flank for seasons.

It would appear from pre-season and the first couple of games that this is an issue that hasn't been dealt with.

[T4E]

Di Santo is a worry because you are never quite sure how bad a hamstring injury is...that's a shame...you are not having much luck right now.

Nelsen's injury is a bigger worry because he does seem to be collecting them in the last couple of years...interesting to see if Salgado gets a try-out in the middle...if not, the cheap centre half replacement has to be found.

As for Warnock...on the bus to Gillingham but I will be shocked if he plays...Villa will surely come up with a deal that suits all parties.

Always handy to have a cup game when you're trying to push a sale through.

I'm clinging to the theory right now that Sam has seen something in the squad that makes him think he can forge a decent midfield out of it somewhere. Whether thats Emerton, or he thinks Salgado can play there, or the medical staff are upbeat about Grella, I don't know. But there must be something. Surely?!

[nicko]

Hi Mr Nixon,

I don't know if you can post or not on this subject, but I have to ask.

Are the trust now getting more involved in the running of the club??

Last year was obviously very expensive for the club but all the transfers this year and cut-backs seem to go against the previous running of the club with JW in charge.

Thanks in advance

Fair question that may need an answer after September 1.

If we analysed this right now we could all look very stupid if it's a busy last week.

At the moment it does look like cutback mode - which obviously comes from the top - but give it a few days and then look at the full picture.

That's a good reminder that Warnock hasn't actually gone yet and if he plays tonight, that may well put the kybosh on the entire deal at least until January or next season... Unlikely I know but...

Very unlikely.

[bob fleming]

As for Warnock...on the bus to Gillingham

Maybe we're dropping him off at Frankley Services?

[Ricky]

A fit (I know its a BIG ASK) Dunn, Reid, Bert Mk II, Grella, N'Zonzi would be an excellent midfield. Sam works with the players on a daily basis and maybe he feels that the fitness issues have been sorted and all of them will play a number of games.

If we can keep them fit then there's no need to buy another midfielder.

[T4E]

Maybe we're dropping him off at Frankley Services?

To be honest, my dear, I don't give a damn.

[Blue blood]

I'm clinging to the theory right now that Sam has seen something in the squad that makes him think he can forge a decent midfield out of it somewhere. Whether thats Emerton, or he thinks Salgado can play there, or the medical staff are upbeat about Grella, I don't know. But there must be something. Surely?!

A fit (I know its a BIG ASK) Dunn, Reid, Bert Mk II, Grella, N'Zonzi would be an excellent midfield. Sam works with the players on a daily basis and maybe he feels that the fitness issues have been sorted and all of them will play a number of games.

If we can keep them fit then there's no need to buy another midfielder.

Agree with both of these posts. From the outside as a fan the midfield situation looks dire, especially considering the injuries to our 4 first choice cms. However, if we have them back or say Emerton plus two back (three will never happen, and I doubt two would) then the midfield does start to look strong again. Emerton and one more back, and the midfield situation is not great, but ok/ can compete. Financially if either situation is to happen, spending money on a centre mid, especially given our resources would be wasteful. After all you can only play two (possily three) at a time!

Having said all of that I'm not optimistic. The odds of any of the trio bar Bert getting fit seem very minimal from the outside. I wouldn't put money on any of them getting fit. And if that's the case we really are in trouble.

It could be our season is decided by the fitness of Grella, Dunn and Reid - a massive gamble and a scary thought.