[Archived] Transfer Topic The Final Day

[SamTheShrew]

A bit sad that you would want an English team to go out because you got a good offer for one of your players and the board accepted.

We both know that Warnock joined for bigger reasons than the Europa League.

Things at Blackburn aren't all rosy, you don't need me to tell you that.

He has a better chance of getting on that plane to SA in the Aston Villa team. He also has a better chance of fighting for that top 4 spot with us, even more so now we've been knocked out of Europe.

All the best for the season. Have quite a soft spot for Rovers due to good friends supporting yourselves.

villa have absolutely no chance of top four. you had it last year, and blew it. but i replicate the good luck!

[Ricky]

I will not be happy if sam has not been given all of the money from the warnock transfer. We still need a couple of players and really need a ball player in the middle of the park.

Sam really does not look happy on recent interviews, I can see why if his hands are tied due to the money situation. He should have at least £5m left in the budget.

[Bobby G]

Ricky, its obvious we wont go into the market again this season. We arent a club who "lies" when it comes to interest to players. When was the last time that happened? Unless Sam gives the board an ultimatum, which wont happen, then thats all she wrote.

The Trust must be happy though, our starting line-up is weaker, our squad a bit heavier it must be said, and they have raked in about 15 million pounds.

[SamTheShrew]

so if sam has spent all of his budget, does this mean in effect that warnock would be sold with or without his consent?

i wonder if he knew he would be getting no more than 2million before he let him leave

[alexanders]

Ill bet that we will get Hassan Yebda in our midfield before the deadline.

The Portuguese club have reportedly set a €4 million (£3.5m) asking price for the midfielder, and Allardyce may seek to reinvest some of the money obtained from Stephen Warnock's impending sale to Aston Villa in purchasing the Algerian.

[Ricky]

The only semi acceptable reason for the lack of cash is that sam is keepig it back for January, waiting to see if dunn and Reid can stay fit before splashing the cash on a midfielder.

[Lurid Coat]

The only semi acceptable reason for the lack of cash is that sam is keepig it back for January, waiting to see if dunn and Reid can stay fit before splashing the cash on a midfielder.

And even that is, like you say, only semi acceptable. Huge gamble, IMO, as Dunn/Reid/Grella are sicknotes of the Kieron Dyer/Dean Ashton/Darren Anderton calibre.

[Bobby G]

The only semi acceptable reason for the lack of cash is that sam is keepig it back for January, waiting to see if dunn and Reid can stay fit before splashing the cash on a midfielder.

No manager would take such a huge risk WILLINGLY.

We will have cash in January only if we are in the relegation zone as a sort of emergency fund.

Its obvious the decision is not wholly Sam's. However, Warnock, Derbyshire, Gallagher, Roque and Ooijer all wanted to leave, lets not forget that!

Sam got positional replacements for each in theory, but definitely not on the same value. Some people would call it wheeling and dealing.

Quickly, I have just come across Bolton moving in for Nolan on a season long loan. He wouldnt be a bad shout if those are the circumstances.

[Kelbo]

As for better managers than Allardyce? Just those out of work - Mancini, Strachan, Klinsmann, Ranieri, Laudrup, Van Basten, Schuster (a long shot, but well worth a try), and I'd certainly take Coppell or Curbishley over Allardyce. There are many others, but it's a bit late to be looking them up just now! Saying there aren't managers around is just as nonsensical as claiming there aren't any creative midfielders - They exist, it's just a matter of thinking creatively and aiming high. It would be a little more encouraging and progressive than just cowering at the bottom of the table hoping other sides take pity on us because we're poor.

Coppell, Laudrup, Curbishley ??? all managed a team which were relegated, or they jumped before being pushed!!

[Roversider]

It fascinates me that so many people are judging the 'budget' based purely on transfer fees. The modern game isn't based on that premise, you have to take the whole cost of the deal which includes a lot you can't see.

1) Fee to transferring club

2) Agents fees

3) Contract settlements

4) Signing on fees

5) Wages (which can vary dramatically if the fee is low)

6) Other costs (eg houses, minders, translators)

7) Anything else I forget

If that doesn't make sense look at the mess 'appy 'arry left Portsmouth in, lots of applause for heis wheeling and dealing but hidden costs really added up to hole the Pompey ship. Remember the Titanic was sunk by the 90% of the iceberg not in sight!

Sam has traditionally gone for players on low transfers but big wages, I suspect that he was given the choice of balancing wages and fees and he chose the former. Salgado for one will be on big money and no transfer fee, lots of hidden costs.

So before berating the board for poor support consider whether we see all the true costs of the deals.

All the same I also suspect there is a bit of posturing to keep the prices we are paying to a more sensible level.

There have always been lean times for Rovers, this is not the worst!

[Tom]

I'm not one to criticise the board but IF Sam doesnt get any more of the money for new signings I wouldn't begrudge him walking, his treatment has been shocking.

With a net profit of around £18 million on these signings there is no excuse whatsoever for more money not to be available.

[joey_big_nose]

In this morning's Lancashire Telegraph, Sam has said that he has now spent all of his budget, so he won't be allowed to bring in any more players (be it signings, free transfers or loans). I get the impression the Sam is not a happy chappy at the moment.

Thats insane if true.

I can only hope he is talking about wages (which is understandable given the size of the squad) rather than transfers.

Given this summer there must be a high likelihood that, if offered a job, Sam would leave to join any other team in the division bar Burnley - simply because he would be financially backed.

[alexanders]

LT : "Lancashire Telegraph Goodmorning!"

SA : "Good morning! This is Sam Allardyce from Rovers calling. I would like you to run a story about me not been given any money at all for players in so that I can trick everyone into believing we don't have money".

LT : "HAHAHA, we will do"

SA : GOOD. I will give you a signal when I am ready to sign Hassan Yebda, but then you run a story on me being interested in Nolan to push the Yebda price down, right?"

LT: "Sure thing SAM ! Up the Rovers!"

[Bobby G]

Does the LT mention that we are linked to Nolan?

[alexanders]

Does the LT mention that we are linked to Nolan?

No, they will in a couple of days.

[Jackson]

It does baffle me that despite the myriad ins and outs over the past couple of months, that just one more signing will make 90% of us fans think that this has been an excellent window, as opposed to a very frustrating one.

[G Somerset Rover]

Does the LT mention that we are linked to Nolan?

We're getting to the stage whereby Nolan would be a good addition to our midfield.

What will we be paying with though? Monopoly money?

[unluckymorton]

We're getting to the stage whereby Nolan would be a good addition to our midfield.

What will we be paying with though? Monopoly money?

Part-ex Andrews to go to Newcastle? They're mad up there, they'll take anybody on!

[CAPT KAYOS]

According to Sam being interviewed on Radio Lancs (if not the same interview people are referring to) 0 he said he won't be in the country on Tuesday

Anyway - as I have mentioned before - could it be that Rovers are preparing themselves ahead of the game

UEFA PLANS

[greco]

It fascinates me that so many people are judging the 'budget' based purely on transfer fees. The modern game isn't based on that premise, you have to take the whole cost of the deal which includes a lot you can't see.

1) Fee to transferring club

2) Agents fees

3) Contract settlements

4) Signing on fees

5) Wages (which can vary dramatically if the fee is low)

6) Other costs (eg houses, minders, translators)

7) Anything else I forget

If that doesn't make sense look at the mess 'appy 'arry left Portsmouth in, lots of applause for heis wheeling and dealing but hidden costs really added up to hole the Pompey ship. Remember the Titanic was sunk by the 90% of the iceberg not in sight!

Sam has traditionally gone for players on low transfers but big wages, I suspect that he was given the choice of balancing wages and fees and he chose the former. Salgado for one will be on big money and no transfer fee, lots of hidden costs.

So before berating the board for poor support consider whether we see all the true costs of the deals.

All the same I also suspect there is a bit of posturing to keep the prices we are paying to a more sensible level.

There have always been lean times for Rovers, this is not the worst!

agree, we often forget the "other" costs regarding transfers.

BUT.. previously in this thread, i asked how the finances looked regarding players sold and bought, and thanks to a couple of posters who did the math, we are looking at a plus of aprox 18 mill £..

i dont know how much the "other" costs amount too, but is should be safe to say, that we are still at huge plus.

[bob fleming]

UEFA PLANS

Could be. The way we're going we'll be European Champions 2012/13 season.

[Silencio]

Looks like we can give up on discussing who may be coming in to sort out the midfield because it seems as if the money has gone.

No one expects us to spend tens of millions but to bring in around 27 million over the summer and spend around 12 of it, following two seasons of serious decline, shows a terrible lack of support for the team and the manager from the board.

I really hope Sam is bluffing because, although Chimbonda is a good player, to have sold Warnock to buy him is not good enough. We are significantly weaker than last season.

Sam will have been aware we were tight for funds upon signing for us but I'm sure he didn't anticipate that the situation would be this bad.

I think some of Sam's signings have been a little strange (3 right backs?) but I get the impression that the board have moved the goal posts during the summer.

Very worried about this situation. How much longer can it go on for?

[PAFELL]

It fascinates me that so many people are judging the 'budget' based purely on transfer fees. The modern game isn't based on that premise, you have to take the whole cost of the deal which includes a lot you can't see.

1) Fee to transferring club

2) Agents fees

3) Contract settlements

4) Signing on fees

5) Wages (which can vary dramatically if the fee is low)

6) Other costs (eg houses, minders, translators)

7) Anything else I forget

If that doesn't make sense look at the mess 'appy 'arry left Portsmouth in, lots of applause for heis wheeling and dealing but hidden costs really added up to hole the Pompey ship. Remember the Titanic was sunk by the 90% of the iceberg not in sight!

Sam has traditionally gone for players on low transfers but big wages, I suspect that he was given the choice of balancing wages and fees and he chose the former. Salgado for one will be on big money and no transfer fee, lots of hidden costs.

So before berating the board for poor support consider whether we see all the true costs of the deals.

All the same I also suspect there is a bit of posturing to keep the prices we are paying to a more sensible level.

There have always been lean times for Rovers, this is not the worst!

Correct me if I am wrong, but was there not a period where certian players, under Mark Hughes, who had their contracts upgraded even when they were not due. JW said something on the lines of securing these players on longer contracts in order to retain them - I think it was just after the sky money came through.

But it is those players who have now been sold. If I am correct, maybe that has been the boards aim to sell those players on the extended contracts.

Maybe saw the extentions as a mistake or a way of getting more in the sell on etc.

[Esulx]

Allardyce going for a Brazilian...

... if that doesnt make you vom your breakfast, nothing will.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11676_5519222,00.html

[PAFELL]

Looks like we can give up on discussing who may be coming in to sort out the midfield because it seems as if the money has gone.

No one expects us to spend tens of millions but to bring in around 27 million over the summer and spend around 12 of it, following two seasons of serious decline, shows a terrible lack of support for the team and the manager from the board.

I really hope Sam is bluffing because, although Chimbonda is a good player, to have sold Warnock to buy him is not good enough. We are significantly weaker than last season.

Sam will have been aware we were tight for funds upon signing for us but I'm sure he didn't anticipate that the situation would be this bad.

I think some of Sam's signings have been a little strange (3 right backs?) but I get the impression that the board have moved the goal posts during the summer.

Very worried about this situation. How much longer can it go on for?

As bad as it seems - could it not also mean that Rovers having reduced any debt - could soon be in profit or at least on a level footing. Which in itself will be a good thing. If uefa do bring in their plans then Rovers - if they have no debt could be better off.

Hate to say it but success for Rovers is staying in the prem - even if it is just above the bottom 3. Because relegation would possible be the end of the club. Stay in the prem, no debt but money in the bank and build on from there. It may take a few years of pain and fustration, in order to achieve better progress.