[Archived] Burnley Home Game

[nicko]

hardly ruled himself out of the running

Think you'll find he turned it down...

[American]

How many chances did Reading create in 180 mins?

Didn't see the first match, but they created a number in the first half of the second match - made your left back look awful, but then showed how bad of a manager they had when they stopped attacking over there! For some reason they started resorting to hoofball after the second goal.

Will admit that they have the better manager, but that won't be enough when injuries finally catch up.

[Fife Rover]

You just said they did against Sheff Utd. Did they, or did they not?

To be fair Den it was only a couple of weeks or so before the playoffs that Burnley played Sheff U. at the Turf. I watched the whole match live on TV and Burnley did indeed play them off the park. Let's be rivals by all means but at the same time let's be fair.

Personally I am very happy to be able to renew that old rivalry and I hope it lasts for many years. It is one of the most satisfying and memorable parts of my long Rovers supporting "career"...... The sheer delight of seeing Rovers whop the Dingles, and I am sure all the true Dingle supporters would say the same, but in reverse. It's what football is all about to small town clubs like Rovers and Burnley. And I DO know that deep down you understand that as well.

[yorkyclaret]

To be fair Den it was only a couple of weeks or so before the playoffs that Burnley played Sheff U. at the Turf. I watched the whole match live on TV and Burnley did indeed play them off the park. Let's be rivals by all means but at the same time let's be fair.

Personally I am very happy to be able to renew that old rivalry and I hope it lasts for many years. It is one of the most satisfying and memorable parts of my long Rovers supporting "career"...... The sheer delight of seeing Rovers whop the Dingles, and I am sure all the true Dingle supporters would say the same, but in reverse. It's what football is all about to small town clubs like Rovers and Burnley. And I DO know that deep down you understand that as well.

Hi Fife, long time no see, where abouts in Fife you from?

The Reading game, I can only remember one half decent chance for them in the first half (down there). When we took the lead they tried desperate measures, bringing on top players who were clearly not fit, guess they had to try something, when that didn't help they pretty much gave up.

At the end of the day I'm sure that had it been rovers I would be saying what you are saying and you would be saying what I am saying!

[den]

To be fair Den it was only a couple of weeks or so before the playoffs that Burnley played Sheff U. at the Turf. I watched the whole match live on TV and Burnley did indeed play them off the park. Let's be rivals by all means but at the same time let's be fair.

I'm being fair Fife. I said I only saw the play offs and that's what I was talking about. Who mentioned the earlier game?

The standard in all the play off games was pretty mediocre I thought, didn't you?

[braddock]

I'm being fair Fife. I said I only saw the play offs and that's what I was talking about. Who mentioned the earlier game?

The standard in all the play off games was pretty mediocre I thought, didn't you?

it wasn't premiership quality

[nicko]

it wasn't premiership quality

What the **** is Premiership quality when it's at home? How many garbage games do you see at the so-called 'top' level - last season more than most.

[philipl]

From the few games I saw of the dingles, I have to say the formations Coyle adopted were pure Premier League. He had his players running to make several easy passing options for the man in posession and they defended really well from the front backwards.

In the play-offs, the opposition really didn't make that much by way of clear-cut chances in three games against them although Reading were the better side at Turf Moor.

The issue for Burnley is going to be the superior speed, accuracy and strength of PL teams playing with PL mindsets as opposed to Cup mindsets. In that regard, the entire Burnley squad is lacking and as I have pointed out before, Burnley had two disastrous runs in their promotion season when they went on defeat after defeat. Just one run of six games like that in the PL and they are as good as down because they won't be able to respond with a string of wins like last year. For all Coyle's ability I think Burnley will (just) fall short but no way will they do a Derby.

That said, Burnley to beat Man U will be good value at the bookies (he said stirring up another hornets' nest).

[Stuart]

I'm being fair Fife. I said I only saw the play offs and that's what I was talking about. Who mentioned the earlier game?

The standard in all the play off games was pretty mediocre I thought, didn't you?

Although they did well to reach the play-offs, Burnley were promoted because of how poor Reading and Sheff Utd were. It was almost as though the pair of them didn't want promoting.

[philipl]

Although they did well to reach the play-offs, Burnley were promoted because of how poor Reading and Sheff Utd were. It was almost as though the pair of them didn't want promoting.

As soon as the dingles made the play-offs, I wrote on here that they were up. There was nothing in the other teams that was capable of stopping them.

[Kelbo]

In any grade of football, promotion or relegation is earned over the season, you need a bit of luck (which Burnley did as over the season with a small squad)

and be free from serious injuries, but they did play some decent stuff when I saw them on T/V

In the final Sheffield were outplayed, they were dire, this I suppose could be atributed to the fact that both their strikers were injured and really had no outlet and threat up top, but having said that, to win a football match at any level, you hve to do what is required and Burnley did that, just as we did against Leicester (though in fairness, Leicester were a much better side than Sheffield Utd)

As for the new season, it depends on how the new players adapt to the premiership and how the new players gel together as a unit, but Coyle seems to give them the correct mentality and belief in themselves, whether or not that is good enough remains to be seen, but I will say this, if they do well and stay up, Coyle will have defied the logics of buying Scottish and championship players and playing them in the premiership.

I say this with respect to the Scottish players, but I cant think of 5 scottish players who have been a real success in the premiership in the last 10years!!

But Coyle is in my mind and I hate to say this, the best young manager in the country,good luck to the fella, for as I say, success is earned!!

[Majiball]

As for the new season, it depends on how the new players adapt to the premiership and how the new players gel together as a unit, but Coyle seems to give them the correct mentality and belief in themselves, whether or not that is good enough remains to be seen, but I will say this, if they do well and stay up, Coyle will have defied the logics of buying Scottish and championship players and playing them in the premiership.

I say this with respect to the Scottish players, but I cant think of 5 scottish players who have been a real success in the premiership in the last 10years!!

Darren fletcher

James Mcfadden

Gary McCailster

David Weir

Christian Dailly

John Collins

Kevin Gallacher

Neil sullivan

[Kelbo]

Darren fletcher

James Mcfadden

Gary McCailster

David Weir

Christian Dailly

John Collins

Kevin Gallacher

Neil sullivan

I did think of Fletcher, but he came as a youngster through the United ranks, havent McAllister and Kevin Gallacher been retired 10 years??

and Sullivan has been playing lower league football for quite some time!1

Collins and Wier did well, Dailly was OK, as was Mcfadden.

I did miss out Colin Hendry, cant remember how long he has been retired?

Years ago, every club had a scot or two in the team but all the foreigners in Scottish football has taken the opportunity for many, which will be the case in England soon, that why the new 5 home grown player rule is good!!

No doubt Nicko will want to add Joe Craig!!!

[BlueMonday]

[quote name='Kelbo' date='Jul 5 2009, 10:26 ' post='785025'

But Coyle is in my mind and I hate to say this, the best young manager in the country,good luck to the fella, for as I say, success is earned!!

Would agree with that. The problem for Burnley is that if he defies the odds and keeps them up, he'll be out of there quicker than a Priest at an Orange walk! They've already had a near miss and they haven't even started their Premier League Dream, so Burnley will come to realise some of the problems Rovers have had to endure to maintain Prem survival.

[Majiball]

I did think of Fletcher, but he came as a youngster through the United ranks, havent McAllister and Kevin Gallacher been retired 10 years??

and Sullivan has been playing lower league football for quite some time!1

Collins and Wier did well, Dailly was OK, as was Mcfadden.

I did miss out Colin Hendry, cant remember how long he has been retired?

No doubt Nicko will want to add Joe Craig!!!

TBH honest I just picked scottish players who I know played in the prem within the last ten years.

So I have named five then?

Fletcher

Mcfadden

Collins

Dailly

Weir

Gally newcastle till 2001 and scotland

Craig Gordon!!! my saving grace!! 7 total

See we have got some talent north of the border!!

[braddock]

TBH honest I just picked scottish players who I know played in the prem within the last ten years.

So I have named five then?

Fletcher

Mcfadden

Collins

Dailly

Weir

Craig Gordon!!! my saving grace!! 6 total

See we have got some talent north of the border!!

craig gordon was poor, the premiership is too fast for him, he will have to improve to become an established keeper

i feel o-beast will have the same problems with burnley

[Kelbo]

TBH honest I just picked scottish players who I know played in the prem within the last ten years.

So I have named five then?

Fletcher

Mcfadden

Collins

Dailly

Weir

Gally newcastle till 2001 and scotland

Craig Gordon!!! my saving grace!! 7 total

See we have got some talent north of the border!!

Years ago Scottish players were real impact players, Strachan, Andy Gray, yes McAllister, Hansen, Dalglish, Gilzean, top players!! Probably many More, John Wark etc.

You dont see that anymore!!

[Majiball]

Years ago Scottish players were real impact players, Strachan, Andy Gray, yes McAllister, Hansen, Dalglish, Gilzean, top players!! Probably many More, John Wark etc.

You dont see that anymore!!

Argentina 1978!!!! I had my rattle going that summer.

No we're not what we once were, but we're not alone in that aspect. Whats more surprising is we're supposed to have better coaching courses, even Mourinho came to scotland to do one. Ireland has declined along with all the home countries, I guess it seems worse for us and the like of wales and ireland due to population (england = 84% of the UK population). I still believe there's talent north of the border we just need to nuture it better, some sociological changes would not go amiss as well. There's still a long way to go but we're all seeing one or two come along, Fleck and McCarthy are two with good futures and both could easily go on to cut it in the prem. Hopefully in 10 or so years we'll see a lot more coming through.

Having a set number of players from your own club is fine, but the rules are not what they should be.

We all got it wrong youth wise, we're all paying the penalty. We're all back on the right track, so hopefully it'll improve across the board, provided we don't rest on our laurels again.

[nicko]

McCarthy has already opted for the Republic of Ireland.

[Ronin]

Years ago, every club had a scot or two in the team but all the foreigners in Scottish football has taken the opportunity for many, which will be the case in England soon, that why the new 5 home grown player rule is good!!

Definitely agree with that. With most clubs going cheap and foreign, that relegates any up and coming local talent to bit parts at best or stuck playing in the reserves and in the lower leagues, unless they have a lot of skill and flair to break through in the top divisions, or if there are injuries and suspensions so they get their chance that way.

[philipl]

Willie Junkie Johnson- what a winger he was!

Gemmill and Bremner missing from the lists.

Conversely, Dailly going into the past ten years list shows how abject the Scots became. Might as well put McQueen in.

[nicko]

Willie Junkie Johnson- what a winger he was!

Gemmill and Bremner missing from the lists.

Conversely, Dailly going into the past ten years list shows how abject the Scots became. Might as well put McQueen in.

Mo Johnston could and should have been as good as any of them.

[Kelbo]

Mo Johnston could and should have been as good as any of them.

And Jim Baxter!!

One lad I really liked,real two footed player, Willie Henderson!!

Having said that, we then get excellent scottish managers!!!

[SAS]

On a side note!!

Has anyone seen the mass influx of dingles wearing their shirts??

I go to the soccerdome regularly and every time there is loads of dingles, never used to be one pre may 2009

[T4E]

What the **** is Premiership quality when it's at home? How many garbage games do you see at the so-called 'top' level - last season more than most.

Its a concept invented by Sky Sports to keep us paying them every month.

A lot of the Premiership is very very poor.